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moresound
Loud Sun Studios
It only took me three and a half!
Now that's an achievement!
Now that's an achievement!
miroslav
Cosmic Cowboy
Yeah, Chater-La gave away new gear for door prizes. You should've been here!
Did you get the 6-piece cookware set?
I'll trade you my 1-year nail salon gift card for the cookware set.
You hillbillies are always in need of a good manicure. Maybe they can do something about that hair too....
D_Vincent
New member
Reading this thread is like watching a beavis and butthead episode.
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
Oh btw, I just farted.
diggy_dude
Now 169% diggier!
Oh btw, I just farted.
I hope you lit it. No sense wasting a good fart.
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
Hell no! My boy was in the next room doing laundry! He had to walk back through the studio.........
Chili
Site Moderator
Oh btw, I just farted.
ya know, speaking of farts... where has Dogbreath gone too???
grimtraveller
If only for a moment.....
R
RAMI
Guest
"punch and impact" and "volume" have nothing to do with each other. Turn down the drum buss and turn everything else down along with it. There's no reason to be anywhere near peaking on anything. Sounds like you're mixing too hot.
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
RAMI speaketh the truth. Pull everything down at once. What Daw you using?
dastrick
huh???
DANG IT, MAN!!!!!! 
This thread had the potential to be great. Then you babies started arguing, then it appeared that you had grown up a little bit and started back with some meaningful conversation, then somewhere around page 11 it got all baby-fied again.
Now I'm just done with it.
Oh well...I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't have helped my drum sound anyway.
This thread had the potential to be great. Then you babies started arguing, then it appeared that you had grown up a little bit and started back with some meaningful conversation, then somewhere around page 11 it got all baby-fied again.
Now I'm just done with it.Oh well...I'm pretty sure that it wouldn't have helped my drum sound anyway.
Ninja_Drummer
New member
Holy damned, 42 pages of trolls and Rage, this starting to turn into the 4chan forums.
Anywho, I'll agree with Greg L about having drums tuned right and played right (and anyone else who stated similarly, stopped reading after first couple pages). I can tell you from personal experience that having a good drummer makes all the difference. I had a guy track drums recently and the snare sounds like someone is gettin' a bean can and wailing on it in a steady rhythm. Hurts the ears. I was left to use a gate to take care of the issue, and some hard eq, I would've used the sample but I don't have any good ones to slap on there ><. But I have my drums tuned very well, I've actually had people compliment on the snare sound (when hit correctly), so there's no fault in tuning. And if it's their drum, obviously it is their responsibility to tune it as it should. But you gotta remember that drummers hear their drums different then you do behind the phones and the mics. Some like to tune very loosely for that punch, low end, but it might just come out as paper in the mics. Some are tone deaf, and some are just plain self taught from the get-go with no experience from a coach or instructor. So you gotta bare this in mind when tracking, and to make statement of how playing in a studio is much different then playing at rehearsal or gigging because everything has to be pretty close to perfect to get a good sound. If you don't tell the drummer what's going on, or any other musician, then that's all on you to make up for the loss later on down the road.
Sure there are tricks and techniques to get this and that, but why make it difficult when you have the chance to start off with a good sound to begin with. Instead of worry about post techniques of how to get drums done, I'd recommend doing pre techniques as much as possible, one in particular being mic placement and mic use. If you wanna tight sound, you'll want the mics close to the head/skin, and pointed a little bit more towards the center. The kick mic 4" inside the port hole (if there is one, if not, then just more towards dead center in front of the head) and pointed toward the beater. Depending on what kind of kick sound you're going for of course. Room mics I don't really worry too much unless it's a really ambient or moody song or I'm looking for a bit bigger sound. They're compression and all the other fancy stuff that you may want to do. But applying so many fx to achieve a certain sound IMO is a bit overboard. It's as if you're trying to make a kit sound like something it is not. Which is why I mostly frown upon drum samples since it take the "acoustic" and "natural" sound to a drum.
Trying to make your sound similar to someone else's is perfectly fine, but trying to get it exactly like it is a 1/1000 shot since every pro AE does their mixes in a different matter that others would. Just like how I saw how the AE for Linkin Park used a method completely different than the standard to achieve a wide guitar sound. Working towards a sound you want is ideal, but originality is where it is all at. Like most say, there really is no incorrect way to go about mixing. It's all about the ears and the feel. And really it takes patience and will to play around with different effects to test whether it is the sound you want. If you feel that the method you use with the drum busses satisfies your ears then there is no telling wrong from our end on how you do it. Just because we do it differently doesn't mean you're wrong. Just as musicians have different visions so do the mixers and master-ers. We can give you advise and "our" techniques of we achieve "our" sound, but it's really up to you to depict whether or not it works for you.
Anywho, I'll agree with Greg L about having drums tuned right and played right (and anyone else who stated similarly, stopped reading after first couple pages). I can tell you from personal experience that having a good drummer makes all the difference. I had a guy track drums recently and the snare sounds like someone is gettin' a bean can and wailing on it in a steady rhythm. Hurts the ears. I was left to use a gate to take care of the issue, and some hard eq, I would've used the sample but I don't have any good ones to slap on there ><. But I have my drums tuned very well, I've actually had people compliment on the snare sound (when hit correctly), so there's no fault in tuning. And if it's their drum, obviously it is their responsibility to tune it as it should. But you gotta remember that drummers hear their drums different then you do behind the phones and the mics. Some like to tune very loosely for that punch, low end, but it might just come out as paper in the mics. Some are tone deaf, and some are just plain self taught from the get-go with no experience from a coach or instructor. So you gotta bare this in mind when tracking, and to make statement of how playing in a studio is much different then playing at rehearsal or gigging because everything has to be pretty close to perfect to get a good sound. If you don't tell the drummer what's going on, or any other musician, then that's all on you to make up for the loss later on down the road.
Sure there are tricks and techniques to get this and that, but why make it difficult when you have the chance to start off with a good sound to begin with. Instead of worry about post techniques of how to get drums done, I'd recommend doing pre techniques as much as possible, one in particular being mic placement and mic use. If you wanna tight sound, you'll want the mics close to the head/skin, and pointed a little bit more towards the center. The kick mic 4" inside the port hole (if there is one, if not, then just more towards dead center in front of the head) and pointed toward the beater. Depending on what kind of kick sound you're going for of course. Room mics I don't really worry too much unless it's a really ambient or moody song or I'm looking for a bit bigger sound. They're compression and all the other fancy stuff that you may want to do. But applying so many fx to achieve a certain sound IMO is a bit overboard. It's as if you're trying to make a kit sound like something it is not. Which is why I mostly frown upon drum samples since it take the "acoustic" and "natural" sound to a drum.
Trying to make your sound similar to someone else's is perfectly fine, but trying to get it exactly like it is a 1/1000 shot since every pro AE does their mixes in a different matter that others would. Just like how I saw how the AE for Linkin Park used a method completely different than the standard to achieve a wide guitar sound. Working towards a sound you want is ideal, but originality is where it is all at. Like most say, there really is no incorrect way to go about mixing. It's all about the ears and the feel. And really it takes patience and will to play around with different effects to test whether it is the sound you want. If you feel that the method you use with the drum busses satisfies your ears then there is no telling wrong from our end on how you do it. Just because we do it differently doesn't mean you're wrong. Just as musicians have different visions so do the mixers and master-ers. We can give you advise and "our" techniques of we achieve "our" sound, but it's really up to you to depict whether or not it works for you.