offcenter2005
New member
There's a Philadelphia in OH???
Who knew?
Yeah were about a half hour south of Cleveland. Its New Philadelphia. Its right down the road from where The Black Keys are from.
Yeah were about a half hour south of Cleveland. Its New Philadelphia. Its right down the road from where The Black Keys are from.
miroslav
Cosmic Cowboy
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
Ha! That's some funny there. Like I said, I've had enough. I don't have time for this shit.
offcenter2005
New member
Ok I give up. Im not a shit starter. I just think that people like that greg dude will stop any advancement for people who want to have serious conversation. I apologize for raggin on you dude but if you read back the only one that got mad was that guy because i said there was more to what he does than what he says. I want to have an in depth back and forth instead of someone having to interject some stupid shit so he can jack a thread. Im not impressed my his know it all attitude and hes the one that dont want to learn cause he knows it all already. Take it or leave it i guess but that guy gets no respect from me.
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
Apology accepted. You have every right to your opinion and to whom you want to show respect. It just seems very counterproductive to allow your thread to deviate by adding to the problem by retaliating. That's all I'm saying. Hope you get the answers you are looking for.
Jimmy
Jimmy
offcenter2005
New member
Oh and you said you use samples for drums? I wouldnt in a million years say anything bad about that because if it works, it works. Layering drums and direct recording guitars can get the same great quality as micing. I just dont think that the process of getting a good sound is as important as just ending up with a great sound. Sorry to all I offended. Id rather talk about music than argue semantics. He just seems like others approaches are inferior because that is not his approach.
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
Yes, using drum samples is in effect, bypassing the tuning, mic placement, and performance aspect of 'capturing' the performance to some degree. I don't ever use complete replacement, more enhancing what I have recorded. That does not mean that there is less importance to getting the sound to start with to me. To me, the process of getting a good sound is just as important to achieving the great sound. We are all looking for the same result. I am only implying that it takes more than just processing to achieve great results. I know you've heard it a million times, but here is one more to add some redundancy. Shit in-shit out. You can always polish a turd, but a diamond is much prettier in the end right?
I would love to hear more ideas on post tracking processing techniques. I am always willing to try anything. We can all learn from each other. Even my boyfriend! LOL
I would love to hear more ideas on post tracking processing techniques. I am always willing to try anything. We can all learn from each other. Even my boyfriend! LOL
offcenter2005
New member
Thats a lot better. I just guess I when someone asks a question about things that are essentially a basic thing like drum bussing they assume that the inquirer dont know much. But I just wanted to see if someone had a few other approaches. Like i said i know about getting the sound going in has to be there first. I have spent a whole day or two screwing with mic placement and dampening and all that stuff. Setting up drums is probably the most time consuming thing ill do when recording. Ive even moved book shelves in the room and filled them with books for diffusion. Which really works. I think layering drums is great also. sometimes one kick has properties of its sound that are great but then add another with what the first is missing and presto! A killer sounding kick. The kick tube idea is great also. I am a plugin freak though. I love post production stuff. Not to fix but to enhance or just get something to sound wild. You can really change sounds to something amazing even misusing certain effects.
offcenter2005
New member
Yeah and sorry about that. Punks and metal heads never make good couples. I was just messin with ya.
arcadeko
Illuminatius Overlordious
This thread had a nice bell curve in it. Man I am glad I don't have to mic drums...
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Greg_L
Banned
I don't use samples, but I'll take that as a compliment. My computer is old. I don't even think it'll run drum samples. I'm not anti-sample either. Hell I'm open and honest about using guitar sims sometimes. If I used samples I'd say so. All I care about is the final product. I've posted raw tracks bunches of times - warts and all. Admitting things And being honest is no problem for me, but in this case there's nothin to admit. Sorry. You're just gonna have to a cept the fact that my drum sounds and playing are what they are. Quit being so bitter and angry. It's fucking stupid. I don't give a shit if you respect me or not, cuz frankly, you're an oversensitive goof with an obvious chip on his shoulder. Lol. Fucking get over it. I've been out fishing since 5am and you've been sitting here crying about me. 
Anyway let's start over.
Hi offcenter. How are you?
Anyway let's start over.
Hi offcenter. How are you?
miroslav
Cosmic Cowboy
While my DAW app is pretty decent (Samplitude)...I run it on a 10-year old W2K workstation!
At the time, it was hot shit --- dual processors, etc --- but because the OS and the age (speed) of the processors, I can't run a gazillion plugs and I can't run certain apps, like EZ Drummer (which I have and would like to try out), because they won't run on W2K.
That said...since I mainly use my DAW for edits/comps and spot fixes and I mix OTB through an analog setup with all outboard gear, I can get away with that DAW, but I would like to move to a newer computer, which I actually already have...just to lazy to make the switch, and so far I've not really had a need to.
I'm not always 100% happy with the drum sounds I have, but I'm stuck since I only get my drummer buddy to come over once in awhile, and then we usually bang out the drums to a few songs against nothing more than crappy scratch tracks, so while they sound good going down, when I start to add the rest of the instruments at a later date, sometimes I wish I could change the tone of some of the drums, mostly the snare and kick...so having the ability to use samples when in a tight spot, certainly would be another option.
This winter I bought a bunch of snares (I now have 7 snare drums) so that my drummer could have a greater variety, but again, sometimes the drums sound great going down...but later on when I start adding other tracks and mixing, I might prefer a different tone, and it's not easy to just bring him back to redo tracks.
At least you guys that play drums can always re-track and make adjustments even deeper into the mix process if need be. I do that with guitars, vocals, keys...but my drumming skills just ain't that sharp. I use to be able to bang out a pretty steady beat and some cheesy rolls, but my buddy is a damn lefty drummer, so that keeps me from even trying, and the kit is just too large to tear down and switch around....I don't have the energy...
...so having some samples and EZ Drummer would be a simpler way for me to fix the drums when needed. 
offcenter2005
New member
I don't use samples, but I'll take that as a compliment. My computer is old. I don't even think it'll run drum samples. I'm not anti-sample either. Hell I'm open and honest about using guitar sims sometimes. If I used samples I'd say so. All I care about is the final product. I've posted raw tracks bunches of times - warts and all. Admitting things And being honest is no problem for me, but in this case there's nothin to admit. Sorry. You're just gonna have to a cept the fact that my drum sounds and playing are what they are. Quit being so bitter and angry. It's fucking stupid. I don't give a shit if you respect me or not, cuz frankly, you're an oversensitive goof with an obvious chip on his shoulder. Lol. Fucking get over it. I've been out fishing since 5am and you've been sitting here crying about me.
Anyway let's start over.
Hi offcenter. How are you?
Im great thanks for asking. All in all i dont care what you use or how you use it. I would rather not have your input on anything from here on out. Get off my thread you wannabe overachiever. You fight like a woman. I haven't even said shit about you other than to reply to other people who have sent me private messages saying your an asshole and have been called out a lot, thats why you cant stay off my thread. I wonder what offcenter has said about me today and i bet that shit ruined your fishing trip. Im over it buddy and you should let it go. Sorry to call you out but i know your full of shit. Either way its a pointless argument because your too arrogant. This has been fun but now im bored so go bother someone in the newb forums and let me talk to people who know what they are talking about.
offcenter2005
New member
While my DAW app is pretty decent (Samplitude)...I run it on a 10-year old W2K workstation!
At the time, it was hot shit --- dual processors, etc --- but because the OS and the age (speed) of the processors, I can't run a gazillion plugs and I can't run certain apps, like EZ Drummer (which I have and would like to try out), because they won't run on W2K.
That said...since I mainly use my DAW for edits/comps and spot fixes and I mix OTB through an analog setup with all outboard gear, I can get away with that DAW, but I would like to move to a newer computer, which I actually already have...just to lazy to make the switch, and so far I've not really had a need to.
I'm not always 100% happy with the drum sounds I have, but I'm stuck since I only get my drummer buddy to come over once in awhile, and then we usually bang out the drums to a few songs against nothing more than crappy scratch tracks, so while they sound good going down, when I start to add the rest of the instruments at a later date, sometimes I wish I could change the tone of some of the drums, mostly the snare and kick...so having the ability to use samples when in a tight spot, certainly would be another option.
This winter I bought a bunch of snares (I now have 7 snare drums) so that my drummer could have a greater variety, but again, sometimes the drums sound great going down...but later on when I start adding other tracks and mixing, I might prefer a different tone, and it's not easy to just bring him back to redo tracks.
At least you guys that play drums can always re-track and make adjustments even deeper into the mix process if need be. I do that with guitars, vocals, keys...but my drumming skills just ain't that sharp. I use to be able to bang out a pretty steady beat and some cheesy rolls, but my buddy is a damn lefty drummer, so that keeps me from even trying, and the kit is just too large to tear down and switch around....I don't have the energy...
EZDrummer is great. The kick and snare in my opinion needs to be eqed a bit to stick out in a mix but it is a great program. The default rock kit sounds really good im not to crazy about the room sound as is but that isnt too hard to fix up either. I dont have any expansion packs for it but ive heard good things about the Nashville kit. If you get a chance to use that program check out the preset groove clips. Its pretty amazing how EZ it is to put down some great sounding drum tracks that sound very dynamic.
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
I have found that using EZDrummer in tandem with Steven Slate Trigger gives me very near natural sounding drums. Layering of the SS samples on top does wonders for the drum sounds. One other trick is to vary the midi velocity and timing of EZD hh via the drum editor or piano roll in your DAW. Drummers don't hit the hh consistently and the robotic feel of EZD can be pretty obvious.
I used to use KT Drum Trigger (free download) to trigger EZD from live mics. Very easy to enhance live drums that way too.
I used to use KT Drum Trigger (free download) to trigger EZD from live mics. Very easy to enhance live drums that way too.
offcenter2005
New member
Thats one thing i like about the groove clips in EZDrummer. If you open one in your piano roll and see how the drums are adjusted for velocity and time it gives you a really good idea of how to make your drum track more human. I also think that there are two separate hits for the main drums ( kick,snare, and toms) . I think the other snare sample is for the the sound of hitting the rim and head simultaneously. Ill have to look that up to see for sure but in the groove clips it shows that on any given beat they use the two different snare notes.
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Greg_L
Banned
That's funny cuz I do get called out a lot. It's always by some sensitive type that can't handle simple truth. A lot of people hate me, and it's usually members here that don't record or play music at all. You can find them down in the cave. This thread is special though because you went bananas over nothing. I was just answering your question. Lol. There's not too many people in here that actually record actual drums, so I thought I could help you out. I had no idea you're Rick Rubin. Anyway, I'll leave you to it because you're so serious. If you ever want to get better sounds from the drums themselves so you won't need so many studio tricks, let me know. I don't hold grudges and I'm always glad to help.
miroslav
Cosmic Cowboy
I seriously doubt it.
Yo Rick...feeling like producing some of my new album?
According to Greg, I got the Johnny Cash vibe going with some of my tunes...so it should feel real comfortable to you.
diggy_dude
Now 169% diggier!
Get one with a pressure gauge built into the nozzle. It's a pain in the bum to keep switching between the air hose and the gauge.
JimmyS1969
MOODerator
That is probably the best advice ever.