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hmmm.....Crate really took the louder=better philosophy to heart, eh?
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CoolCat
Well-known member
I prefer a Marshall name brand on my amps, and for super small gigs this Mini Marshal works great for downsizing.
OVERALL? Some gear snobs laugh at first, oh yeah they laugh at first.... until they hear it, then its all straight faces... and a stunned blank look on their face.
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soundchaser59
Reluctant Commander
This. Most of our sound guys know what every knob does and where every cord goes, but they don't know how to get a "musical" mix. They do everything by the book and nothing more. So what if the vocs are buried by the keys and the bass is a 30hz mudbath? It's all set up right according to the specs.
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soundchaser59
Reluctant Commander
A bad soundman can make a God sound like a$$, but a good soundman cannot make a$$ sound like a God. Your sound has to be good from the source or else the soundman can just blow you off as an incompetent player.
Prunepicker
Bassist, Arranger & Teach
Very true. If you don't sound good then you aren't going to
sound good.
guitarded2
New member
Go big or go home! but seriously i think speakers and SPL ratings are still under looked. I agree you don't need a stack but come on you gotta admit its alot more sexy than a knee high combo. Am i vain? it keeps you in shape too! I'm young i like it loud maybe youre just old 
4x12s have a sound and feel to them. When im recording with a small amp with a 10" or 12" speaker yeah it sounds better on tape alot of the times but theres just some kinda sonic magic to playing through a 4x12 with the poweramp distortion/speaker distortion. I love the sound i get out of my 1960ac/av cab and various hi gain heads but i don't think ill ever nail it on a record i think its something u gotta be there for like an eclipse or something. I like the musicians to get the sound they want out of their stuff and let me worry about how to capture it. I don't like to rely on the sound guy too much =) I guess you could go to extremes and buy a 5 watt amp, a nice dynamic mic and nice mic preamp then find that old sweet spot but where do you draw the line?
4x12s have a sound and feel to them. When im recording with a small amp with a 10" or 12" speaker yeah it sounds better on tape alot of the times but theres just some kinda sonic magic to playing through a 4x12 with the poweramp distortion/speaker distortion. I love the sound i get out of my 1960ac/av cab and various hi gain heads but i don't think ill ever nail it on a record i think its something u gotta be there for like an eclipse or something. I like the musicians to get the sound they want out of their stuff and let me worry about how to capture it. I don't like to rely on the sound guy too much =) I guess you could go to extremes and buy a 5 watt amp, a nice dynamic mic and nice mic preamp then find that old sweet spot but where do you draw the line?
Prunepicker
Bassist, Arranger & Teach
In the 70's, when I was a rocker, we had two trucks to carry our gear and
some roadies. We were loud, mainly influenced by Deep Purple and the like.
I remember a West, Bruce and Lange concert. West and Bruce had 3
Marshall stacks each! I was on the front row. OUCH!
Now that I'm older and rarely on the road I've become a minimalist so to
speak. A double bass with a wheel attached to the end pin and the sound
gear bungeed to a luggage cart.
I think the big gear looks cool.
some roadies. We were loud, mainly influenced by Deep Purple and the like.
I remember a West, Bruce and Lange concert. West and Bruce had 3
Marshall stacks each! I was on the front row. OUCH!
Now that I'm older and rarely on the road I've become a minimalist so to
speak. A double bass with a wheel attached to the end pin and the sound
gear bungeed to a luggage cart.
I think the big gear looks cool.
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soundchaser59
Reluctant Commander
Go big or go home! but seriously i think speakers and SPL ratings are still under looked. I agree you don't need a stack but come on you gotta admit its alot more sexy than a knee high combo. Am i vain? it keeps you in shape too! I'm young i like it loud maybe youre just old
I've started back to the gym, mainly motivated by two things: health, and a desire to go back to using 2x12 and 2x15 cabs instead of the underqualified and overworked 1x10 that the other "hobbyists" use on stage. I thought I was learning lots after I went thru 40 or 50 10 and 12 inch speakers........then I got a 2x12 and my sound world suddenly got a lot better! Now I'm shopping for a 50 watt 2x12 amp. It just feeeeeeLs more righter.....
guitarded2
New member
to each his own..and if youre into metal/metalcore or more modern stuff check out the 6505 2x12 combo its awesome!
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stevieb
Just another guy, really.
Visiting this thread again just gave me an idea...
Build one 412-sized cab that has only ONE 12 in it, if you gotta have a double stack, build a second that is completely empty. Now, that sort of thing has probably been done before, but take it to the next level- use the empty space for storage of gear while in transport. Build the second cab out of 1/4" plywood, to make it lighter. Put doors on the back of both, and store your amp head, cables, even guitar(s) in them- whatever will fit. Driving one 12 with about 40 tube watts will probably give you all the stage volume you need; have the sound man mic that one speaker for the house.
What do you think?
Build one 412-sized cab that has only ONE 12 in it, if you gotta have a double stack, build a second that is completely empty. Now, that sort of thing has probably been done before, but take it to the next level- use the empty space for storage of gear while in transport. Build the second cab out of 1/4" plywood, to make it lighter. Put doors on the back of both, and store your amp head, cables, even guitar(s) in them- whatever will fit. Driving one 12 with about 40 tube watts will probably give you all the stage volume you need; have the sound man mic that one speaker for the house.
What do you think?
ocnor
Lord Of The Thighs
Capriccio
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stevieb, something like this?
guitarded2
New member
i always wanted some of that sexy marshall full stack wallpaper..friends got a 4x12 cab thats missing 2 speakers it sounds terrible. But if you plug up the holes with some clothes or something it sounds less terrible. It certainly isn't the same sound as an open back cab.
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stevieb
Just another guy, really.
Yeah, something like that, but with the cabs made into cases for transporting other gear.
CoolCat
Well-known member
stevieb, something like this?
thats funny....someone went to a lot of trouble to be fake?
i wonder if I can buy a ticket to their show with monopoly money?
suprstar
It aint ez being green
LOL I've seen plenty o empty cab's, I set up big stages like that for years. But I've never seen a facade like that!
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stevieb
Just another guy, really.
That's actually two different facades- notice the first pic shows the "cabs" as all straight ones, stacked 3-high, with no heads atop them, whereas the second pic shows double stacks- straight and slanted- WITH heads.
Bubba po
Tiny Stonehenge Moment
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stevieb
Just another guy, really.
WTF is a "three pipe problem?"
Rag on me all you want, but everyone was talking about those pics as if they were of the same setup.
Rag on me all you want, but everyone was talking about those pics as if they were of the same setup.