Hi guys, long time no see

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I found out that audiophiles are nice people, but the strong believers are almost always non technical guys. Very interesting world.

Yes that's been my experience too. Also, the "true believers" are nearly always hobbyists at home playing with their own gear, not working in an audio trade for customers out there.

At home you can believe what fantasies you like. It's all in your head.
In the real world outside it's the customers and the market that tend to keep you grounded. Most customers are not "audiophools", thank God.
If an "audiophool" tries to go into business, the market will likely soon sort him out.
 
Yes that's been my experience too. Also, the "true believers" are nearly always hobbyists at home playing with their own gear, not working in an audio trade for customers out there.

At home you can believe what fantasies you like. It's all in your head.
In the real world outside it's the customers and the market that tend to keep you grounded. Most customers are not "audiophools", thank God.

"I have learned throughout my life as a composer chiefly through my mistakes and pursuits of false assumptions, not by my exposure to founts of wisdom and knowledge." - Igor Stravinsky
 
Well often the ghosthunters go looking for EM fields, that I know. It's not hard to capture that in an audio recording; it's just that the usual goal is to keep stray EMF out of an audio signal. The difficulty is we'd want to exclude the EMI from obviously man-made sources like good ol' 50/60Hz hum and its zillion harmonics. So we'd probably have to move to a very remote location. Then we'd be left with natural or supernatural sources.

There was an interesting thread here . . . somewhere . . . about VLF interference from military signals. Can't get away from everything I suppose.

Funny you bring up ghosts. My studio is built in a 200 year old barn foundation. A farmer died while milking a cow about a hundred years ago in a blizzard. I often tell clients that the ghost hangs around and makes creepy noises in the tapes. Well just recently I found out my niece is friends with the daughter of the producer of the "Ghost Hunters" show, turns out he lives in the same town as me. So I jokingly told her about the ghost in the studio and she is going to try to set something up with the "Ghost Hunter Guy". I think it is "Funny" how they go around with meters and things to show the "Ghosts" exist. I have many meters and can make them jump around all day long without the help from "Ghosts". But if they want to do a show on my studio I guess I will have to "Eat Crow" and pretend to be astounded and afraid!

VP

PS I dont believe in ghosts, but I do believe there is some "Magic" to analog recording.
 
Han, these kind of focused listening tests have been done to death for many years and no matter what conclusion they reach (and they all reach different ones) they’re not the right approach. That is, the fundamental survey method is flawed.

I’ve seen many of these over the years, all reaching different conclusions. I know it seems intuitive to get a room full of people and do A/B listening tests, or A/B/C listening tests, depending on how many formats you want to compare.

Again, I maintain that while some believe we can solve the issue once and for all by setting up laboratory environments to conduct experiments, this is simply not the case. When we do this we are ignoring the real-world evidence all around us... people in their day-to-day environments we’ve been able to observe for decades. Not only do individuals come right out and report that they hear differences in their natural listening environments, but in addition the world has changed its listening habits due to the technology. We can observe changes in how certain types of music is received, which correlates to technology changes. Not all genres suffer equally. For some music the recording format doesn’t matter as much and some not at all, but that’s because the music isn’t worth recording in the first place.

On the other hand many genres have mutated based solely on the impact the recording format has had on the sound. This cannot be observed in a laboratory, but rather with scientific disciplines that study human behavior by observing societies over time. Much of this belongs in the realm of anthropology and the behavioral sciences. Fields of study dealing with sensory perception and psychoacoustics are also essential.

I know your motives are good, but Han, no one is going to present yet another listening test and put this issue to rest and you shouldn’t settle for that. It’s all been tried many times. What needs to happen is for people to take a step back and examine the issue from new angles that may be largely unfamiliar to them. Just when you think it’s time to give up on this whole phenomenon, it’s really time to come to the realization that the methodology people have been relying on is inadequate. We haven’t even begun to think circumspectly about all the aspects involved. On the contrary, most people are stuck in a rut, presenting the same flawed arguments over and over.

You may be done and that could be for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is being tired of the discussion or just being tired with other priorities that take all your time.

As for me I’ve just begun because my predictions over the years of the demise of high fidelity music recording/reproduction have come true. How do we stop the bleeding in the music industry? That is the question that should matter to everyone now. We’re not even comparing analog to high resolution digital anymore because the masses have chosen lossy compressed formats… because music doesn’t mater like it once did. I saw that coming as the hi-fi bar was lowered time and again, year after year. It was inevitable, and now here we are, just where I said we’d be. The public did not go from CD to better formats like DVD audio or SACD (Super Audio CD). They went to a typical listening environment that consists of iPods, ear buds or crappy computer speakers and mp3 with music butchered and compressed to hell with about 6 dB of dynamic range if you’re lucky. The slippery slope has only gotten slippery and we’re only falling faster… just as I said would happen as early as 1999.

Analog has only become more important in the last ten years. The differences between our former concepts of high fidelity music and the newer inferior concepts have only become greater.

Excellent post! "High Five"!

VP
 
Yes that's been my experience too. Also, the "true believers" are nearly always hobbyists at home playing with their own gear, not working in an audio trade for customers out there.

At home you can believe what fantasies you like. It's all in your head.
In the real world outside it's the customers and the market that tend to keep you grounded. Most customers are not "audiophools", thank God.
If an "audiophool" tries to go into business, the market will likely soon sort him out.

I am a "True Believer" and I have had recording customers for almost 20 years!

VP
 
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