Stop calling yourself a "PRODUCER".

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Okay, just to clear things up, you were being somewhat joking with the original post, right?

This has pretty much turned into a rap hate fest, lol. If you look at it, professional hip-hop producers are involved in every step. Yes, there are people just playing around with the fruity loops demo and calling themselves producers. Are these people winning the grammy? Hell no. There are people who can play 3 chords on a cheap-ass, off brand guitar, and call themselves guitarists. Do people like Eddie Van Halen and Slash who play on multi thousand dollar guitars and do it for a living get offended by this? Nope.
 
*Bashes hip hopper in the face with Rickenbacker guitar.

*Eats Jelly donut
 
RAMI said:
No, it hasn't. We need 4 more pages, so that you can read the whole thing, and then post an angry post saying you don't give a fuck. :D :D :D
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i have a low attention span i dont give a fuck now let alone four more pages

everybody post crap four pages to go then put this puppy to rest:D
 
Would only rap producers be allowed to use the term 'produca'?
 
Alright. From the examples you gave in the beginning it sounded like you were aiming at all rap producers, like many people posting are. I hear the whole "music I don't like isn't music at all" argument/viewpoint all the time, and it bugs the living shit out of me, so sorry for jumping down your throat like that. :)
 
eternalpayn said:
Alright. From the examples you gave in the beginning it sounded like you were aiming at all rap producers, like many people posting are. I hear the whole "music I don't like isn't music at all" argument/viewpoint all the time, and it bugs the living shit out of me, so sorry for jumping down your throat like that. :)
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The examples I gave??? What examples??? I was deliberately vague in my first post. In fact, I quoted my own post and re-posted this 3 times in the thread:
Loading pre-recorded "beats" into your pirated DAW in your Mama`s basement does NOT make you a "PRODUCER".
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I didn't mention rappers at all. Seems to me, by the fact that some of you are defending rappers so vehemently, that I didn't NEED to mention rappers even if that's what I had in mind. That's what I find the most interesting thing about this thread.

"Me thinks thou doth protesteth to mucheth." Or some shit like that. :D
 
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RAMI said:
Loading pre-recorded "beats" into your pirated DAW in your Mama`s basement does NOT make you a "PRODUCER". Find a different title. "PRODUCER" is already taken. I understand that the word "PRODUCER" has probably got you laid more than once, but you`re not a "PRODUCER".

I have no problem with what you do. It`s an art-form in itself. But, please, stop calling yourself a "PRODUCER". It`s an insult to those who have earned that title by learning and perfecting their craft. They`ve already forgotten more than you`ll ever know.
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I could really care less what anyone calls themselves but you cant really say you didnt direct that towards rap. How many other genres "load pre-recorded "beats"" into anything? I can see this is a bit of a inside joke to the vets here.

I to do not like the mouse-clicking "producers" out there but they are not going anywhere so why does it matter? Let them have fun and make them feel better about themselves. This thread definetly turned into a rap beating. Yes I am a beat maker myself and I dont think its truly fair to sit here and judge people like Dr.Dre and Timbaland because you dont like their music or their style. Sampling is a part of hip hop like picking a guitar is to other genres. To clear things up, ITS NOT STEALING, its taking a good old song and making people remember it. Sure there was nothing wrong the original song but how often do you hear it nowadays? Not all "producers" sample with this mentality but most do. So think about that the next time you want to judge someone about something you know nothing about.

This was not directed solely at the OP but more to the "RAP SUCKS" fanbase.
 
axeman_ukl said:
is this forum called homerecording.com or i do this for a living.com
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It's a classic argument which I have seen many times over the last five and a bit years.

It's never once been meaningful or successful in that time. :rolleyes:
 
Seafroggys said:
I'm gonna let everyone else have a run at that statement :D
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I was more amused with what directly pre-ceded that:
IT'S NOT STEALING
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So, I guess car-jacking isn't stealing either. It's "Borrowing a motor vehicle indefinitely".:p

I just couldn't be bothered responding until you brought it up. I'm just giggling my ass off at the peeps that are scrambling to defend their fragile honor. Like I said: It's amusing how, when you throw a rock into the ocean, it only hurts the fish that it happens to hit.

I've now become a spectator in this comedy. :D :D :D
 
Fire away...

Im just trying to get some of the "haters" in here to realize that us in the younger generation have not been around the "good" music to much. So when I hear a sampled song, I like to go back and hear the original. Or a song I used to hear all the time when I was younger and now it clicks on and I want to listen to it again. I know there have been plenty of times that someone may destroy the original with the sampled mix. It happens but it is alot of the time a general respect for a song that makes it worth sampling.

"is car-jacking stealing?" Now your just being silly. Believe me it doesnt hurt me at all but if you are not involved with that process what difference does that make to you? Or on the other hand any of your buisness what others do? Giggle all you want, some of those people may turn out to be successful one day. More than likely most wont.
 
stealth_prod said:
"is car-jacking stealing?" Now your just being silly. Believe me it doesnt hurt me at all but if you are not involved with that process what difference does that make to you? Or on the other hand any of your buisness what others do? Giggle all you want, some of those people may turn out to be successful one day. More than likely most wont.
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Err ........ what?

Are you trying to make a point here, and if so ...........what is it??

As far as I can see, you're either:
1) calling Rami silly for thinking car-jacking is stealing
2) calling Rami silly for thinking that stealing a car, repainting the wheels and replacing the Ford badge with one that says DJ Jack Hamma, and then selling it as a car that you made is stealing

Which is it?
 
Now we begin to approach the real point.
Diss is an abbreviation of disrespect which is a derivative of respect which is both a noun and verb.
However the addition of the prefix dis, to my mind, modifies the word sufficiently to render it no longer an effective verb that can sit comfortably in a correctly written or spoken sentence unless it is couched in a phrase to give it context so that to "diss" someone really ought to be restated as to "...have been disrespectful to/about/with regard to...".
The other element of this illuminates the confusion of the nomenclature related to "producer". The defiinition does appear to determined by the profession or occupation to which it is applied as in film producer (the French term being possibly more appropriate), music producer, produce producer, rabbit outta this hat producer etc.
Nominative determinism would complicate this further: Dave Producer or Dick Producer would be confusing and rather silly.
The combination of the two terms I've extrapolated upon would suggest that rather than being impolite or dismissive to a beat maker that the speaker had, in fact, lazy or problematic speech patterns: diss produca or dat producer.
The elevation of a sub genre from it's cultural and cult roots to a multi billion dollar industry appealing to a wide range of racial, cultural and economic groups and sub groups does render most of the terminology and methodology , (stealing the beats because you are actually poor as opposed to stealing the software because you choose not to pay for it etc), to quote MSH "disingenuous" and suggests a dire need to hang onto urban legend as a means of establishing credibility, provenance and reputation.
Then again Rock has done similarly, though over a greater timeframe and with more or less resistance depending on the time reference.
Perhaps the most pronounced reason for the backlash that modern eclecticism/rip off/sampling/borrowing has received is that it has been done more consciously, more blatantly, with technology, less organically and with more hubris than previously. After all as George Harrison was made aware, one can cop a few bars unconsciously but it's does require a more or less conscious act to sample a piece of work.
 
And another thing...

Just because someone disagrees with you don't make them a "hater". What, do we really live in the fantasy world of Dubya where it's automatically "if you're not with me, you're against me"? Not the planet I live on. Stop making like you're being persecuted and downtrodden upon and hated just because someone disagrees with something you say or do.

G.
 
I've been recording and "producing" bands/artists for about 4 years now, I do actually pay the bills this way. I did my (unpaid and purely educational) internships, and I've worked with quite a few major-label, "big name" artists. I've overheard on several occasions, bands/artists refer to me as a "producer", or even "their producer"....and yet I still feel silly calling myself a "producer".

I guess my point is that I agree with your sentiment, RAMI. The title "producer", in a musical/audio context, just means something important... to me, at least.

Having said all that, my business card does, somewhat ironically I suppose, say "Producer\Engineer" on it. This is because "I listen to your song, then discuss possible alternative song structures with you if something doesn't quite flow (or otherwise seem to fit) quite right, or if, god-forbid some notes in the arrangement are out of key/dissonant and you don't know/care that this is the case. Then I mic up your sources and coach you/your band through getting the best takes recorded. Then I edit, arrange, and mix-down the recorded tracks", just doesn't look pretty on a business card. Honestly, I wish there was a word for a hard-working, professional "producer" who has not had any grammy nominations or any other particularly distinguished achievements in his short career. I would, humbly, put that word on my card, instead. :o
 
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