Stop calling yourself a "PRODUCER".

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I find it amusing that so many people are defending hip-hop when I never mentioned hip-hop. Like I said, that says something right there. I think there's some kind of collective guilty conscience going on with that crowd for some reason. I wonder why.

Now you're being disingenuous. It's like I write a screed about shredding but never mention guitar, then claim I was talking about Oliver North or something :rolleyes:

Everybody knew you were talking about hip-hop because you're about the 473,124th person to complain about this :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 
It's like I write a screed about shredding but never mention guitar,

I hate bass players who shred, too...and I don't care much for drum solos, either. So your point it moot. :D


You're going to have a stroke before you ever get under my skin, but keep trying. :p
 
Wait....so using auto tune and drum triggers to make misery sound acceptable doesn't make me a producer? I thought it was ok to downplay the importance on performance for a half decent recording? I RECORD IN MY DADDY'S BASEMENT!.....

Hahah I'm totally with you man, what a slap in the face it is when douche bags can hold themselves at the same level as the greats.

"They`ve already forgotten more than you`ll ever know."

Hahaha fantastic and true

Thanks for making sense
-Barrett
 
Before you talk shit about Dre I'd recommend you look at how much of his work is composition as opposed to sampled.
The dude would piss his pants if he had to run a session with a live drummer, guitars or a horn section.:rolleyes:
 
f off beeeatch

not that im a producer im a rapper, but dont give me that shit i know dudes who have learnt there craft and have every right to call themselves producers

tit

bitch try tellin cats like drdre n timbo aint producers
wack ass
see right there you blew it, rap isnt music!
 
The dude would piss his pants if he had to run a session with a live drummer, guitars or a horn section.:rolleyes:
Im right there with you RAMI 100%. Hey and why do rappers and hippity hoppers sample so much? Cause they cant come up with anything decent themselves! So they steal......just like in their real life>
 
Before you talk shit about Dre I'd recommend you look at how much of his work is composition as opposed to sampled.

I would say 95% of Dr. Dre's music is sampled or an interpolation of an old song in some way. I could make a short list of it. It's basically just taking the best hits of artists from the 60's and 70's and adding a hip hop background beat. I have NO respect for Dre being able to do what he does. Imagine me cutting out a piece of a Rembrandt and gluing it onto a Picasso piece and calling it my own work of art. I mean seriously, that's all he does.

ZERO RESPECT FOR DR DRE and most hip hop producers.

Here's some songs that Dr. Dre stole, and this is just off the top of my head.

Dope Man by NWA = The Funky Worm by the Ohio Players

I'd rather F you by NWA = I'd rather be with you by Bootsy Collins

Let Me Ride = Mothership Connection by Parliament

Nuthin But a G Thing = I Wanna Do Something Freaky to You by Leon Haywood

California Love - Woman to Woman by Joe Cocker
 
I think Jenna Jameson is now a producer. And a director. So, I take it all back. :eek:



She takes it all FROM the back. :D
 
Woah theres alot of hip hop hatin goin on in here lol

Well as a "Hip Hop" "Producer" myself whose been to the studio with all types of musicians (i havent met a live music room that can contain me) i find it my duty to defend so heres my 2 cents.

1. Dr. Dre no matter what you say is a great producer who has "Produced" as you so put it for many a artist/musician rap or other wise. Just becaus he uses the age old technique of sampling (yes it has a name) doesnt make him a thief it means to you and his credit you both have taste in good music.

2. Im sorry to tell ya'll (and yes ive yelled at many a college student over this) music of all genres can be "Produced" in your mommas basement. Thanks to Pro tools and reason and fruity loops and hell acid pro and any other program that can be bought or downloaded you too can make a hit. But lets be realistic im a working producer and engineer and ive brought plenty of my work home to tweak and (may i dare say it) mix down (everyone gasps caus the room is untreated). I know my gear and myself and with those two i trust my decisions from the basement to the studio. And im sorry to say as well but these kids in these same basements are learning the same thing. There reading these boards and learning that you gotta double triple and quadruple check those mixes everywhere like "the pros" do caus its a good/smart thing to do (am i right).

3. Now i understood the reasoning behind this thread and i 100% support it. Y? because if im working on an album and another 1 of my "music" friends brings me "another" so called "Producer" who doesnt even know what a metronome is im calling Bono to talk @ the peace treaty its gonna take to keep me from going to war on this sorry excuse for a musician. Im just as sick and tired of these new comers (and thats not just for the young cats thats all ages) that slap on the tag and dont do the homework. Thats like saying you wanna be an engineer but just didnt take the time to read up on eq, phaseing and mic technique... (If your a new producer/engineer and are reading this pay real close attention to this next sentence) DO YOU THINK DIDDY, DRE, TIMBALAND OR ANY RESPECTABLE PRODUCER WANTS TO HEAR WHAT YOU LACK!!!
GET THE FUCK OUTA HERE IS WHAT THERE GONNA TELL YOU!!!!
This is a business so you play games with your friends and your kids not the money. You want the title producer you gotta earn that shit and thats where im coming from. A real "Producer" told me when i was young and first starting out (@the ripe old age of 16) that your not a producer till people call you one that have paid you for your work and tell others about you who also carry your name where ever they go. Once that happens you have a standard "YOU" yourself have to uphold and abide by.

4. (I know that was long but i was mad as well) And lets be real in here caus im a realistic person. I sample caus its wats appealing to my ears and the masses so don't get that confused with my ability to create music or read it for that matter. I don't steal caus i do "HIP HOP MUSIC" nor do i appreciate every other music genre lover in here saying rap isnt a legitamate form of music. Its a by product just like everything else is of something else that came before so forgive me if your too old to realize that. Please save the "oh look how the rap/hip hop guys are getting mad" sarcasm to. You would be equally mad if you like country and i said (as well as about a million other people who don't listen to it) Travis Trent sucks and i don't know why he is signed or is even up for a grammy in the first place?! Listen to how ignorant you sound when clearly there is a few "million" people around the country let alone the world who love and "respect" his music. Respect is all me and mine ask for, we can deal with the crappy music that comes out of our culture of "HIP HOP" but don't act like other genres of music don't go through the same bullshit at the same pace.

Reality Check!!!! MOST MUSIC ON THE RADIO SUCKS RIGHT NOW!!!! (I know i just crushed someones dreams of american idol)

5. Last but not least what is wrong with you people?! All these tools in music are for your benefit not to make u upset. Do any of you know how many samples from drum libraries/music libraries and other records are in your so called "great records that don't use samples"?! News flash!!! There are literally millions from guitar strums to bongo sounds are all played by "real live musicians" sold on cd's and considered samples. Im a gear head so when some of you "real musicians" are sitting in the studio playing your instruments and saying "yeah that take was awesome dude" engineers like me are saying "yeah it was as awesome as my last crap i took!!!" So you get up and leave and then your "Producer" says this sounds like shit but you can't come back for some god only knows reason. What do you do then?! Well its quite simple, i get an energy drink and bust out the drum replacement programs or the pitch correction program or (for you lazy producers that say; i can add it in the studio) the all purpose production program (reason, fruity lopps or whatever you will). Programs like autotune have been around for years way before T-Pain and Cher decided to run with it and make millions (hell even *Nsync used it on there "No Strings Attached" album that went down as one of the fastesst first week sales in music history). Hell autotune was one of the biggest industry secrets for nearly a decade so much so that when the effect started popping up "everyone" was told it wasnt that it was a "vocoder"... LMAO

Im laughing caus as a producer i find this funny but as a musician and artist i take these arguments seriously. I personally was reared away from being half assed with my music and because i deal with "music industry" people everyday i stay on my toes with my music. I make money of of my music and it "is" how i make a living. "I AM" a "Producer" in every sense and definition of the word. I know my skills and limitations. I can tune a guitar as well as eliminate hum fom a board (yeah im nice like that and yes i mean an SSL!!!). I love all music but all this hating on HIP HOP (caus yall really hate "Rap" but nobody says "Rap" like they have any sence of any distinction of the two hmmm) has got to stop. Maybe its becaus you can't understand the lyrics or maybe they just talk to fast for your comprehension but im personally tired of "HIP HOP" (not RAP) being the scape goat caus its just popular to hate on.

IF YOUR GONNA HATE GET IT RIGHT CAUS IF NOT THEN YOU LOOK STUPID AND SOUND IGNORANT CAUS YOU NOW KNOW BETTER!!!

Just my 2 cents... No that was a $1.50 worth...
 
I think Jenna Jameson is now a producer. And a director. So, I take it all back. :eek:



She takes it all FROM the back. :D

I have to disagree with you there my friend. If you probe a little deeper into her work you'll find she's produced some stunning facials.
 
Let me start by saying I agree with 90% of the points made so far - especially the script-kiddie remark :D but can we remember that even if someone is crap at music or audio engineering - the fact they are enjoying it and are accepting of the fact they aren’t god, isn’t that all cool?...
I mean just because someone throws together a few sampled 'beatz' in their basement and sticks it on the internet, doesn’t make them a bad person, just limited?

Providing they pay all the royalties, they are actually helping the industry. Hell, if I got paid to produce beats that 16 year olds would stick on a backing track with a cheap synth that is recorded through their on-board sound card I would do it! Who cares if you’re encouraging them to be arrogant, you have their money and know their dreams are incredibly unlikely to materialise, hence have the upper moral ground.

Let them call themselves producers if it makes them happy! I would argue that any real producer who is scared that 17 year olds are entering their trade... probably isn’t a 'real' producer themselves! :p

I'm a bedroom 'producer', in that I have made music for various productions and projects. I am a total amateur with no real studio experience and I do all my work contained within my own bubble of safety and enjoyment.

I am happy to admit I have no aspirations of becoming a professional producer - nor do I act like one. I would like to think my use of copy and paste with scripts in sampling software becomes increasingly more acceptable with each admittance to my ignorance of the professional world.

:rolleyes:
 
I'm 99% sure that Easy E did those NWA beats... Also, dre has produced about a dozen em songs, a ton of snoop songs, and 2 entire albums of his own, as well as various other artists and a few 50 cent songs. About half of them are samples.

Also, are you saying that industrial music is not music, either?
 
Im 99.9% sure that i dont giva @#!$ about this thread anymore. People are backing up Dr. Dre for his producing skills. What a bore.
 
Just my 2 cents... No that was a $1.50 worth...

Actually it was 2 cents worth as you are missing Rami's point:

Many people go out and "buy", errr, steal, fruityloops et al. 5 minutes after it is installed, they are on the interwebs calling themself "producer". This is wrong.

If I buy a stethoscope, I am not a "doctor". I am a putz with a stethoscope.
If I buy a wrench and change my name to Joe, I am not a plumber.
If I download porn, I am not in the adult film industry.
If I put oil in my car, I am not a "mechanic".

The one that gets me? People with a cracked copy of Cubase who call themselves "artists" or worse, "artistes".:D Learn a scale first.
 
Who cares if you’re encouraging them to be arrogant, you have their money and know their dreams are incredibly unlikely to materialise, hence have the upper moral ground.
- Rod Blagojevich wiretap transcript. ;)

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I guess the whole thing about this hip hop naming thing s, why did/does the hip hop community have the ingrained need to make up their own names for things which already have accepted names in every other genre of music? "Beats" are rhythm section, "making a beat" is either laying down a rhythm track or programming a sequence, "loops" are normally called "sequences", and "MC" is little more than lead vocalist.

"Producing", as the amateur hip hop community thinks of it, has no real counterpart because it's just not a task that one has ever considered big enough to have it's own name until now. It's kind of like arranging, but not quite. But it most certainly is not producing in the tradiitional sense.

Now, some of the real hip hop pros like Dre and RZA and others have indeed become real, standard definition, professional producers. But there is a B.I.G. difference between the scope of the work they do and the average home hip hopper laying a rap over a couple of loops.

What it comes down to, IMHO, is the hip hop community, which started in the ghettos and barios, needed an identity of their own; it was an anti-establishment move. "F*ck the man, I'm callin' myself what I want." More power to you.

The problem is, once you have lifted yourself out of the ghetto - or even more important, if you're just as middle class as Joe Punchclock and Sally Housecoat - then the vocabulary is just posing. Not a very attractive thing for a community who's rallying cry is "keep it real".

G.
 
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