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come on guys, why speculate? i've seen people get chased out of here for lesser boobery. the guy is either trying to sell something or be an asshole. honestly, i wouldn't worry about making assumptions with this guy. even if he is just ignorant, he should leave the bored based on the fact that reading his posts are just about as healthy for your brain as sniffing model glue. "Your collective apology is accepted too." why hasn't anyone told this guy to piss off?
 
heroics321 said:
come on guys, why speculate? i've seen people get chased out of here for lesser boobery. the guy is either trying to sell something or be an asshole. honestly, i wouldn't worry about making assumptions with this guy. even if he is just ignorant, he should leave the bored based on the fact that reading his posts are just about as healthy for your brain as sniffing model glue. "Your collective apology is accepted too." why hasn't anyone told this guy to piss off?
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Because everyone deserves a second chance...
 
ok, i like the fact you respect this harvey gerst dude, im sure he's done plenty of great things. but i just read a PDF file that was about mics from him (after googling his name like a member suggested) and was immediately unimpressed by him.

he said nirvana, smashing pumpkins proved you do not need to be eric clapton to write hit songs. excuse me mister recording master, but billy corgan and james Iha both shred on the guitar. have a look at some of their live shows. both of them rip out some incredible improv solo's.

and i believe they are called "greenday" not "green days"

see - http://www.kernmount.com/docs/HarveyThread.pdf
 
rankmanugly said:
ok, i like the fact you respect this harvey gerst dude, im sure he's done plenty of great things. but i just read a PDF file that was about mics from him (after googling his name like a member suggested) and was immediately unimpressed by him.

he said nirvana, smashing pumpkins proved you do not need to be eric clapton to write hit songs. excuse me mister recording master, but billy corgan and james Iha both shred on the guitar. have a look at some of their live shows. both of them rip out some incredible improv solo's.

and i believe they are called "greenday" not "green days"

see - http://www.kernmount.com/docs/HarveyThread.pdf
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The PDF file you're talking about is a copy of the sticky thread at the top of this forum.

Is this the post you're talking about?


https://homerecording.com/bbs/showpost.php?p=824312&postcount=645

If you've read the entire thread (or even just that single post) it amazes me that you could read fast enough to immediately get the impression that saying that Nirvana or Smashing Pumpkins aren't Eric Clapton is a bad thing.

Slow down a bit and try to understand the meaning of the words.

Billy Corgan is not Eric Clapton. He's Billy Corgan.

Is this a bad thing?

Billie Jean is not Lando Calrission. (sp?)

Again, is this a bad thing?

Maybe I'm not clear on what Harvey actually meant by that post, but I think it's an explaination of a list that he has in his studio of concepts to help keep everyone focused in a positive way on making music and getting the most out of their time in the studio. I seriously don't think he meant to diss anyone. It seems to me like he's more dedicated to helping people. If I'm wrong, hopefully Harvey can step in and correct me.

So do you think that Nirvana and Smashing Pumpkins should be Eric Clapton? Do you think they are?

If they shred like you say, why would they want to be clones of Slow Hand?



sl
 
i take your point SL. i spose he would be trying to reach an audience by relating with music perhaps he wouldnt normally enjoy/listen to. right?

i read what he said as meaning, corgan/iha are not accomplished guitarists. as a pretty big pumpkins fan, i just dont like people making wrong statements about people i admire as very good guitarists. granted, cobain and billy joe armstrong are no master guitarists here.

but hay, a 20 something page long piece of info and thats all i could pick out and critique from it?

i think thats saying something about the wealth of knowledge of the infamous gerst.
 
I think the implication is that you don't have to write particularly amazing songs to get hits. If Nirvana isn't testament to that, I don't know what is. They were new and fresh and the whole Kurt going mad thing was great for musical voyeurs studying his lyrics (which Kurt quite kindly didn't make too cryptic for us to work out what was going on). And no-one's ever truly addressed the problem that Billy Corgan really really can't sing. :)

Big deal! If you're gormless enough to dismiss a great wealth of microphone resources because one expert doesn't like the same music as you, perhaps you're exploring the wrong hobby anyway! ;)
 
geez. i had no idea this place was full off people so petty that if someone says their own opinion/whats on their mind, they will be condemned. Someone negatived my rep points? how pathetic. like it signals to all the other computer nerd types "this guy says bad things".

i think you are being so petty to do such a thing.

merely i was trying to give a bit of both sides. people seem to be wanting to talk up this dude no end. A bit of a critique is what i gave. like i said, it was full of great info and all i could pull out of it that was not so great was the points i made.

maybe you noisedude should get off the computer (5000+ posts? really...)and realise that in society, there are two sides to all good arguements. not that this even constitutes as an arguement. in no way was i discrediting this guy who you all on this site hold in such high esteem.

cheers for the red dot next to my name, it will be a reminder or how happy i am not to be stuck on this computer all the time, and that i am actually out there in the music scene doing things, not stuck in cyberspace making myself feel big by giving people red dots...
grrrrr haha
 
rankmanugly said:
geez. i had no idea this place was full off people so petty that if someone says their own opinion/whats on their mind, they will be condemned. Someone negatived my rep points? how pathetic. like it signals to all the other computer nerd types "this guy says bad things".

i think you are being so petty to do such a thing.

merely i was trying to give a bit of both sides. people seem to be wanting to talk up this dude no end. A bit of a critique is what i gave. like i said, it was full of great info and all i could pull out of it that was not so great was the points i made.

maybe you noisedude should get off the computer (5000+ posts? really...)and realise that in society, there are two sides to all good arguements. not that this even constitutes as an arguement. in no way was i discrediting this guy who you all on this site hold in such high esteem.

cheers for the red dot next to my name, it will be a reminder or how happy i am not to be stuck on this computer all the time, and that i am actually out there in the music scene doing things, not stuck in cyberspace making myself feel big by giving people red dots...
grrrrr haha
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I see no arguement, only smoke and like smoke, you're gone.......
 
I think Harvey was saying you can still write "hit" (notice he didn't say "hit songs that suck" or "hit songs that are great", in fact he didn't make any judgement about the quality of the songs) song and not be Eric Clapton (or Pat Metheny/any other "known more for their guitar playing then their songwriting" person)

Take Neil Young - His songs are freakin' awesome (in my opinion), some of them were hits, but is he a great guitar player? Well I think he is, but he is not Eric Clapton (no flames, I'm a HUGE Neil Young fan) Technically, he is no Pat Metheny, but his playing has soul/MOJO/whatever...

Now the other side of the spectrum would be someone like Michelle Branch (I think that's her name). Can she play? Sure she can strum G, C, and D on her Taylor. Can she write songs that are hits? Yep! Are they good? Nope! (IMHO) Is she Eric Clapton? Heck no!!!!!

Rankmanugly - You're 19, so I would hope your reading comprehension would be a bit better. Then you would see Harvey's point more clearly and not jump down his throat at the thought that he was bashing your musical idols. If you were 14, I could see it, but someone who (hopefully) has graduated HS should be able to do a little more critical thinking before bashing (and being "unimpressed") one of our "Audio Idols"

Hey that should be a new FOX TV show! Do you think Harvey would be as brutally honest as Simon? Perhaps, but I'm sure he'd be alot nicer and I can't see him make anyone cry :)
 
Hey!! Don't rank on Michelle Branch....She is freaking hot! :D
and I actually think she can write good tunes.
 
QUOTE........:but hay, a 20 something page long piece of info and thats all i could pick out and critique from it? "


The fact that that was all you picked out could be construed as illustrating how infantile and small minded you are..............but then again, I could be wrong.

:cool:
 
tryptophan said:
Your collective apology is accepted too.
Jesus saves.
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Fuck you.

How's that for an apology?

And I don't think Mr. Alou aprreciates you dropping HIS name either, dipshit. Especially since he DOESN't save...He's an outfielder, dumbass. :rolleyes:
 
rankmanugly said:
but hay, a 20 something page long piece of info and thats all i could pick out and critique from it?

i think thats saying something about the wealth of knowledge of the infamous gerst.
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Actually I think that says a lot about your ability to miss the point.
 
ausrock said:
QUOTE........:but hay, a 20 something page long piece of info and thats all i could pick out and critique from it? "


The fact that that was all you picked out could be construed as illustrating how infantile and small minded you are..............but then again, I could be wrong.

:cool:
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i guess you dont have to be too smart to get on a internet forum and post your life away, ausrock-you are a testament to that. Referring to that section as all i could pick at was a compliment to the large amount of helpful info in the piece. Nice job mate, being infantile and small minded ay? In opposition to judging someone as infantile and small minded from two postings on a internet forum? clever stuff

and to gordone. I graduated in the top 10percent of students studying english in my state, and am currently studying law. So i feel my comprehension is more than adequate to assess a posting on an internet forum. If you were to read what i said before trying to defend your oh-so-famous idol, you would have realised that i was unimpressed with the context.Especially in regard to technique.
HE states "no-one thinks smashing pumpkins are the best musicians on the planet". What the fuck does he know about the pumpkins. Jimmy Chaimberlain is widely respected as an amazing drummer. Coming from a jazz background, he is extremely skillfull in his technique. A simple "google" of his name will show many more results than "harvey gerst" ANd corgan and Iha are fine soloists, regardless of the fact that they did overuse the wah pedal.

Everyone on here needs to stop defending someone you only know across cyberspace and get out there and play music. A website you have created about yourself that you promote on a homerecording forum-very impressive.....
get on stage
 
rankmanugly said:
ok, i like the fact you respect this harvey gerst dude, im sure he's done plenty of great things. but i just read a PDF file that was about mics from him (after googling his name like a member suggested) and was immediately unimpressed by him.

he said nirvana, smashing pumpkins proved you do not need to be eric clapton to write hit songs. excuse me mister recording master, but billy corgan and james Iha both shred on the guitar. have a look at some of their live shows. both of them rip out some incredible improv solo's.

and i believe they are called "greenday" not "green days"
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Yes, they're called Greenday, not Green Days, and I happen to really like them, along with nirvana and smashing pumpkins. My point was that while their stage shows might indeed be killer, their hit records were more about the lyric and less about introducing another guitar god like Van Halen or Eric Clapton.

I wasn't trashing them; I was pointing these groups out as good examples, for people that think they need a 2 minute guitar solo as the intro to every song. They don't mess around with long intros - they get right into the meat of the song, which I admire.

Those 10 sayings actually have nothing to do with the big mic thread - they're simply some things I posted on the recording studio wall to help new groups focus on making some great recordings.

Two of my friends were Carlos Santana and Jerry Garcia; both brilliant guitar players, but when their songs got up to the 15 minute mark, I would usually head outside for a cigarette. I'm not slamming them; it was just too much for me.

Neil Young (another old friend from the Buffalo Springfield days) is a special case. He's an amazing songwriter and singer (yes, I said singer), but his guitar playing can go from erratic to brilliant (for his songs). He was a loose cannon in Buffalo Springfield and in C,S,N,&Y. Sometimes, he could drag the whole group down, and at other times, he could take them to unimagined heights.

I've been on more than a few stages in my life playing music, and I don't "promote" my website here, or anywhere on the Internet.
 
rankmanugly said:
i guess you dont have to be too smart to get on a internet forum and post your life away, ausrock-you are a testament to that. Referring to that section as all i could pick at was a compliment to the large amount of helpful info in the piece. Nice job mate, being infantile and small minded ay? In opposition to judging someone as infantile and small minded from two postings on a internet forum? clever stuff
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If that's the case my apologies then. It's hard to read sarcasm, or lack of it from text. I guess the "infamous" part threw me off. And although I only know Harvey from here, his posts have taught me a ton over the past year or so. Others here have met him in person and have had only the nicest things to say, so when people insult him, everyone gets a little defensive on his behalf. Sorry for the mix up.
 
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