Why I won't buy the Tascam 2488

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Daniel, beautiful gear & setup!!

I really mean that!!!
 
Wow, thanx!!

Okay: My 388 tunes on NWR:

Moonage Daydream: used simple "click" track from drum machine. Nothing fancy. Tick-tick-tick-tick.

God: I believe I used a "Kick-tick-tick-Snare-tick-tick" machine dummy beat.

Love Me Do: whipped it up by hand from memory. It's imprinted in my head that well. Basic hand percussion and hand claps.

Long Time Gone: click track. Can't remember if it was "click" or "KICK-tick-tick-tick/SNARE-tick-tick-tick" machine track. Most likely just "click": Tick-tick-tick-tick. I'd have to review the actual master tape to be 100% sure.

It's a Long Way Back: played live-in-studio guitar/vocal/drums in one shot, with a really good drummer, w/bass dubbed later.

Listen to my Heart: whipped it up by hand, manually.

Those 6 cuts are currently the only 388-featured recordings on NWR,... w/more pending future production, TBD/TBA.

There's lots of other stuff on that site, too!!

Thanx again. ;)
 
ok...NWR..Nowhere Radio..

NWR....alright sounds like your 24 was rollin'

REEL...I try to stay unbiased it's just gear.
and there is many areas for improvement of the 2488 as we've beaten to death.
it was easy on this thread as most posts here are relating the 2488 to Analog stuff.....and gearsluttingaddiction!
so i fit right in too.

actually alot of the "neg. issues" pointed out is EXACTLY what I was looking for, the problems to look out for on the 2488.si!

Hell I can ask the salesman if I only want "its a great unit ...it'll make you sound just like Eric Clapton and ELO!!!It's GREAT! EVERYONE LOVES IT!
IT'S #1...BUY 2 of em!!!"

now with all this optimism....the unit will probably crash the hard drive on day 32!!! doh!!!
and the buttons will all start flashing red-blinking led's..and

and the ghost of doobies-past will re-appear & laugh "HAHAHAHHAHAAAA...
"III tolllldddddd yyyyoooouuu... HAHAHAHAA...MENUS!!!HAHAHAHAHAA"
""" MIXING BOARDS WITHOUT KNOBS...HAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
HAHAHAHAHAA ...NOW GO!!!!!! BE GONE!!!!!
GO TO THE MONITOR THREADS...ANNNDDD TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHY ONE SPEAKER IS BETTER THAN ANOTHER EVEN THO THEY ARE BOTH of 5" KEVLAR CONES and one costs $500pr has a STUDIO LABEL and DOESN'T SOUND GOOD while the other is only $50pr at Ultimate electronics and sounds GOOD but is NOT THE RIGHT ONE FOR HOME RECORDING!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAAA...."
 
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NoWhere Radio,...

a cool mp3 site where I have tons of stuff posted. ;)
 
whoooa

A Reel Person said:
Straight, plain & simple.

IF I ever had that "what the heck" $1100 impulse purchase, I'd be "okay" with the 2488, thanx to COOLCAT, PB_Studge & others, who've injected reason into my manic complex.

BUT, for the time being, I'm perfectly happy using and trying to fully exploit:

[2] Tascam 38's
[4] Tascam 388's
[2] Tascam 34B's
[1] Tascam 34
[6] Tascam 244's
[2] Tascam 246's
[1] Tascam 238
[4] Tascam M-30's
[1] Tascam M-35
[1] Tascam M-312
[1] Tascam MSR-24
[2] Tascam 424mkII's
[2] Tascam 424mkIII's,... (both BRAND NEW IN BOX!)
[1] Tascam 488
[1] Tascam 488mkII
[1] Tascam 688, (Mint!!)
[5] Tascam 234's
[1] Tascam M-06
[1] Tascam 32
[2] Tascam GE-20 Stereo Graphic Equalizers
[3] Tascam PE-40 4x4 Parametric EQ's
[4] Tascam MH-40 4-Headphone amps
[4] Tascam MX-80 8-mic/line mixers
[4] Tascam M-1B 8-line mixers
[2] Tascam RS-20 Stereo Spring Reverbs
...
eh?... Fostex?...
[1] Fostex A-8
[1] Fostex A-8LR
[2] Fostex Model 80's
[1] Fostex R-8
[2] Fostex 350 Mixers
[1] Fostex 4030/4035 Synchronizer/controller
[1] Fostex 4050 Remote Autolocater
[1] Fostex 2050 8-line mixer
[3] Fostex 3050 D-Delay
[1] Fostex 3180 Stereo Spring Reverb
[1] Fostex 3070 Stereo Compressor-Limiter
...
eh?... Digital?
[2] Tascam 564's
[2] Fostex FD-4's,... one with ext. drive and one with int. drive
[1] Fostex FD-8
[1] Yamaha MD8
...
eh?...

...
&... y'know guys,... that's just off the top of my head, best recollection. I'm SURE there's something I've either glossed over or forgotten,... NOT TO MENTION various other classic "fixit" gear, not mentioned. (Thank you UPS!)
...
:eek: ;)
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whoooa. thats a long list.
 
Yeah, that!

There was a point in time when I had the dream to open a multi-room practice/studio facility with recording capability in each room, & rentals,... self engineered by the patrons, or with sessions engineered "professionally" by myself,... for an extra fee.

Low end and consumer analog was the aim. Don't scoff! It was a legitimate idea!!

So,... I managed to accumulate all the gear,... now all I need is the building!!

Don't think I'm kidding! I'm not! It's not come to fruition, but never say never, I guess.

For now, I'm happy just having the gear. It's great,... no,... it's awesome,... no,... it's over-the-top for a personal collection,... and my best intentions are to use it properly for my own personal home recording, and maybe side projects for my friends, TBD.

There was also a time when I wanted to give a Portastudio, reel or 388 to all the young kids on the block with garage bands. Some of them that I mentored (lent gear) went on to buy their own Porta's,... and others just went digital.

I'm sorry. I'm rambling.

That's my stuff. Get a load of it. I have a lifetime's worth of gear to do my stuff on,... not to mention the hundreds of reels and cassettes I have to support it all.

Now,... just to find the time.

;)
 
Ps:...

No P-5's, 788's or 2488's in my future, 'cause I'm stocked to the rafters with great analog gear already, that has capabilities that matches,... no,...

MASHES the competition! :eek: ;)
 
Its' not Tascam's fault that they are complying to the market's demand. They need to stay in bizz. What's more, they have to COMPETE in bizz. They, In my opinion, Have made multi track recording UNcomplicated. Being an old ana guy myself, the 2488 took some kind of a learning curve to get used to as did my ancient Webcor sound on sound tape recorder back in 1963 and my T-SR8 in 1993. Nobody alive still remembers those days.

Be intelligent. Digital is here to stay and intelligent, smart, competitive engineers in all of those companies are vieing for your bizz.

Hour for hour, all the digital manuvours, when compared to what you need to do with snakes, cables, hard patches, defragers, media storage, 2trk mixdowns, outboard gear, mistakes made, going all the way back and tracking, mixing and mastering the (one song) over again, this 2488, even compared to 3 years ago is a heaven sent. Especially for old analog guys like me on a budget, with tons of music under my belt to get accross.

Stop your sniveling. Be grateful for the technological changes and and use them to your benefit. No panpots? get over it! Think.

Personally, I've cut out about 4 to 6 hours from 12 to 14 hour sessions of tracking, mixing or mastering compared to only about 8 years ago. I can actually notice the difference. Because Im old. And you kids are screeming for panpots and have to do a few more digital button presses to get the job done?

Poor babies! Gotta have imediate gratification. You got no patients. Grow up and make some serious music!

I love you guys.
 
BMWerks said:
Its' not Tascam's fault that they are complying to the market's demand. They need to stay in bizz. What's more, they have to COMPETE in bizz. They, In my opinion, Have made multi track recording UNcomplicated. Being an old ana guy myself, the 2488 took some kind of a learning curve to get used to as did my ancient Webcor sound on sound tape recorder back in 1963 and my T-SR8 in 1993. Nobody alive still remembers those days.

Be intelligent. Digital is here to stay and intelligent, smart, competitive engineers in all of those companies are vieing for your bizz.

Hour for hour, all the digital manuvours, when compared to what you need to do with snakes, cables, hard patches, defragers, media storage, 2trk mixdowns, outboard gear, mistakes made, going all the way back and tracking, mixing and mastering the (one song) over again, this 2488, even compared to 3 years ago is a heaven sent. Especially for old analog guys like me on a budget, with tons of music under my belt to get accross.

Stop your sniveling. Be grateful for the technological changes and and use them to your benefit. No panpots? get over it! Think.

Personally, I've cut out about 4 to 6 hours from 12 to 14 hour sessions of tracking, mixing or mastering compared to only about 8 years ago. I can actually notice the difference. Because Im old. And you kids are screeming for panpots and have to do a few more digital button presses to get the job done?

Poor babies! Gotta have imediate gratification. You got no patients. Grow up and make some serious music!

I love you guys.
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Good post.

I don't know what it is that gets people into analog but I for one certainly don't long for the wonders of multi tracking with the cross field heads of my old Roberts 770X.

I'm still happy with my 2488 and don't plan any upgrades anytime soon. It is somewhat less friendly than my 788, but witll all the extra features, I'll put up with it.
 
Aw, c'mon!!

BMWerks said:
... Be intelligent. ...Stop your sniveling. ...get over it! ...And you kids...Poor babies! ...Grow up ...I love you guys.
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Ok, sir. Technically, I'll agree that digital is the modern way, and business & economic forces have pointed the way, at it's basis. This post is not about trying to change that.

Speaking personally, digital gear is out there in overwhelming abundance for anyone who wants it, and they may surely have it. I don't really care. They can have it all & I'm not losing sleep over it. I have what I want or need. Also, what's serious music spans the spectrum, and e'one comes in with needs, desires & satisfaction ratio that's unique. Beyond gear, I have respect for the lowest newbie home reccer, that you obviously do not. BMWerks is a fitting name, 'cause you're surely a specimen of BMWerks. I'll await your big smash hit and Grammy award. Until then, you can sincerely eat me.

Thanx for posting. I love you to. ;)
 
PS: Thanx for registering today on this great board to respond to this post.

I mean that. Love, Dave. ;)
 
A Reel Person said:
Ok, sir. Technically, I'll agree that digital is the modern way, and business & economic forces have pointed the way, at it's basis. This post is not about trying to change that.

Speaking personally, digital gear is out there in overwhelming abundance for anyone who wants it, and they may surely have it. I don't really care. They can have it all & I'm not losing sleep over it. I have what I want or need. Also, what's serious music spans the spectrum, and e'one comes in with needs, desires & satisfaction ratio that's unique. Beyond gear, I have respect for the lowest newbie home reccer, that you obviously do not. BMWerks is a fitting name, 'cause you're surely a specimen of BMWerks. I'll await your big smash hit and Grammy award. Until then, you can sincerely eat me.

Thanx for posting. I love you to. ;)
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Good post too.

It's about creativity.

For most, digital is the simplist, easiest and cheapest way to record, in addition to achieving better sonic quality. But not always. Some like yourself can be more creative with analog gear and produce a better product with it. Though the specs may not support it, some folks can get more energy unto tape.
 
groove vs fake knobs and menus

BMWerks said:
And you kids are screeming for panpots and have to do a few more digital button presses to get the job done?

Poor babies! Gotta have imediate gratification. You got no patients. Grow up and make some serious music!

I love you guys.
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now thats a load of crap BM!!
BM why are you giving everyone sht!!!

i don't care for Fake Guitar sampling either, I prefer to pluck on my Fender and thats no crap!!!BM.

BM,it may be a load of shit, but i'll put $5 the next gen's SIABS have a full human friendly mixing board in addition to the HDrive. DP01 have started.Korg's have PAN knobs...

BM, you said that the 2488 is Heaven Sent...I agree it's the sht!!

Now BM, calling people babies and impatient, and kids...c'mon thats a bunch of shit and crap.

love you too. BMwerks, so does mine...i

damn i can still make myself laugh...hehehehee, thanks BM.just kidding.
 
BMWerks said:
Its' not Tascam's fault that they are complying to the market's demand. They need to stay in bizz. What's more, they have to COMPETE in bizz. They, In my opinion, Have made multi track recording UNcomplicated. Being an old ana guy myself, the 2488 took some kind of a learning curve to get used to as did my ancient Webcor sound on sound tape recorder back in 1963 and my T-SR8 in 1993. Nobody alive still remembers those days.

Be intelligent. Digital is here to stay and intelligent, smart, competitive engineers in all of those companies are vieing for your bizz.

Hour for hour, all the digital manuvours, when compared to what you need to do with snakes, cables, hard patches, defragers, media storage, 2trk mixdowns, outboard gear, mistakes made, going all the way back and tracking, mixing and mastering the (one song) over again, this 2488, even compared to 3 years ago is a heaven sent. Especially for old analog guys like me on a budget, with tons of music under my belt to get accross.

Stop your sniveling. Be grateful for the technological changes and and use them to your benefit. No panpots? get over it! Think.

Personally, I've cut out about 4 to 6 hours from 12 to 14 hour sessions of tracking, mixing or mastering compared to only about 8 years ago. I can actually notice the difference. Because Im old. And you kids are screeming for panpots and have to do a few more digital button presses to get the job done?

Poor babies! Gotta have imediate gratification. You got no patients. Grow up and make some serious music!

I love you guys.
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Hey kid, it ain't about the panpots, ok ? ;)

Much love,

Daniel :D
 
COOLCAT said:
NWR....alright sounds like your 24 was rollin'

REEL...I try to stay unbiased it's just gear.
and there is many areas for improvement of the 2488 as we've beaten to death.
it was easy on this thread as most posts here are relating the 2488 to Analog stuff.....and gearsluttingaddiction!
so i fit right in too.

actually alot of the "neg. issues" pointed out is EXACTLY what I was looking for, the problems to look out for on the 2488.si!

Hell I can ask the salesman if I only want "its a great unit ...it'll make you sound just like Eric Clapton and ELO!!!It's GREAT! EVERYONE LOVES IT!
IT'S #1...BUY 2 of em!!!"

now with all this optimism....the unit will probably crash the hard drive on day 32!!! doh!!!
and the buttons will all start flashing red-blinking led's..and

and the ghost of doobies-past will re-appear & laugh "HAHAHAHHAHAAAA...
"III tolllldddddd yyyyoooouuu... HAHAHAHAA...MENUS!!!HAHAHAHAHAA"
""" MIXING BOARDS WITHOUT KNOBS...HAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!
HAHAHAHAHAA ...NOW GO!!!!!! BE GONE!!!!!
GO TO THE MONITOR THREADS...ANNNDDD TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHY ONE SPEAKER IS BETTER THAN ANOTHER EVEN THO THEY ARE BOTH of 5" KEVLAR CONES and one costs $500pr has a STUDIO LABEL and DOESN'T SOUND GOOD while the other is only $50pr at Ultimate electronics and sounds GOOD but is NOT THE RIGHT ONE FOR HOME RECORDING!!!!!
HAHAHAHAHAAA...."
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Hey, there's somethin' totally refreshing about your objectivity ;) .. You're a real CoolCat! :D

~Daniel :)
 
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