Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
SLuiCe said:
erichenryus
New member
Dobro, I forgot to mention before but your vocals are too loud. Possibly no one noticed cause none of us have a fancy expensive stereo system like your friend? Maybe your friend should join the forum and give us input from his fancy expensive point of view more often?
Personally I've gotten some great feedback here on my mixes....or....er.....my mix, but when I'm looking for feedback on a professional level I ask my friend whose trained in the subject to come over and listen on my monitors cause I agree with Lt. Bob that something is definitely lost in the mp3 conversion usually.
Personally I've gotten some great feedback here on my mixes....or....er.....my mix, but when I'm looking for feedback on a professional level I ask my friend whose trained in the subject to come over and listen on my monitors cause I agree with Lt. Bob that something is definitely lost in the mp3 conversion usually.
Chris Shaeffer
Peavey ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I haven't posted or listened here for a long time- something to do with my oh-so-speedy 21.4K land line connection...
They may be gold in California, but its NOT in the phone lines out here...
Way back when I did hang out here, I aslo found it a superb place to read OTHER people's comments and then listen again to the tune to hear what they were talking about. Its pretty good ear training, really.
I did get a lot of helpful advice for the mixs, as well as a number of good feeling compliments. I eventually found, though, that no one knew the mix better than I and I had to be the final word on the final product. I take all comments here with a grain of salt and, as Slack suggested, tend to go back to my mixes with the comments a few weeks later.
Take care,
Chris
They may be gold in California, but its NOT in the phone lines out here...
Way back when I did hang out here, I aslo found it a superb place to read OTHER people's comments and then listen again to the tune to hear what they were talking about. Its pretty good ear training, really.
I did get a lot of helpful advice for the mixs, as well as a number of good feeling compliments. I eventually found, though, that no one knew the mix better than I and I had to be the final word on the final product. I take all comments here with a grain of salt and, as Slack suggested, tend to go back to my mixes with the comments a few weeks later.
Take care,
Chris
fenderlikingood
New member
Chris Shaeffer said:
well said.................
Toki987
Rock Steady
You said....
1."First, I'm not complaining. Nobody's got an obligation to listen really closely enough times to spot that stuff."
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2. "Second, I get feedback about mixes here that is really valuable to me."
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3." Finally, I think you can't count on this forum to spot stuff you've fluffed. Again, I'm not complaining - I'm trying to understand how this place works so I can have a good time with it - but I think this place often isn't so much an mp3 clinic as an mp3 radio station."
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Are you really sure of what you were saying, or are you just venting and thinking out loud over concerns you had when you listened to you stuff on your friends gear? It sounds to me like you just wondering out loud because you run off both sides of the road in those 3 comments.
Lt and some others are right about the mixes, they are all a little different after conversions to mp3, and every person seems to have different gear to listen on. Some have several listening options at their disposal. Things are heard somewhat differently by most everyone. And some ears are more refined than others, and some people may not present their point in the same wording as others.
A statement several have made concerning vocals presented on a piece could come into play here as well. "If you wrote it, performed it, and know all the words it may seem a bit loud to you, but if you`ve never heard it, you`d want them up so they are intelligible and distinct." I feel sure you`d agree...
Speaking for myself, I`ve been a musician most my life. As far as being a home recording technician, I came here last summer with little more than the words "I have a soundblaster, what can do?"
So, apparently the accumulation of knowledge from interaction in a free clinic (I like to call it a lab) is quite a different scenario than merely listening to a radio station. I feel sure you'd agree there too...
'as to depending on all the people here to spot and point out everything, it usually won`t be done to any scoping surgical degree, unless... you are paying them to be totally objective, and by placing that $ value on their judgement you get a dollar to dollar exchange. In that case they will surely spend all their time in analyzing all the aspects of only your presentation, and not try to be brief so to enable allocation of listening time to other contributors. There`s only so much time.. I think you`d most likely agree there too...
As reflected in earlier posts, you're the pilot, before you press the switch on the burners, it`s up to you to decide based on what feedback you`ve gathered, and ultimately what you really feel, before you should say "go".
I`m sure you did not mean to infer that the time given for listening and sincere reflection by many of us here was not genuine, or from informed positions by whatever means, and would not be valid for helping you to produce your album. Although the written statement may have seemed to point that way.
Peace.
1."First, I'm not complaining. Nobody's got an obligation to listen really closely enough times to spot that stuff."
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2. "Second, I get feedback about mixes here that is really valuable to me."
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3." Finally, I think you can't count on this forum to spot stuff you've fluffed. Again, I'm not complaining - I'm trying to understand how this place works so I can have a good time with it - but I think this place often isn't so much an mp3 clinic as an mp3 radio station."
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Are you really sure of what you were saying, or are you just venting and thinking out loud over concerns you had when you listened to you stuff on your friends gear? It sounds to me like you just wondering out loud because you run off both sides of the road in those 3 comments.
Lt and some others are right about the mixes, they are all a little different after conversions to mp3, and every person seems to have different gear to listen on. Some have several listening options at their disposal. Things are heard somewhat differently by most everyone. And some ears are more refined than others, and some people may not present their point in the same wording as others.
A statement several have made concerning vocals presented on a piece could come into play here as well. "If you wrote it, performed it, and know all the words it may seem a bit loud to you, but if you`ve never heard it, you`d want them up so they are intelligible and distinct." I feel sure you`d agree...
Speaking for myself, I`ve been a musician most my life. As far as being a home recording technician, I came here last summer with little more than the words "I have a soundblaster, what can do?"
So, apparently the accumulation of knowledge from interaction in a free clinic (I like to call it a lab) is quite a different scenario than merely listening to a radio station. I feel sure you'd agree there too...
'as to depending on all the people here to spot and point out everything, it usually won`t be done to any scoping surgical degree, unless... you are paying them to be totally objective, and by placing that $ value on their judgement you get a dollar to dollar exchange. In that case they will surely spend all their time in analyzing all the aspects of only your presentation, and not try to be brief so to enable allocation of listening time to other contributors. There`s only so much time.. I think you`d most likely agree there too...
As reflected in earlier posts, you're the pilot, before you press the switch on the burners, it`s up to you to decide based on what feedback you`ve gathered, and ultimately what you really feel, before you should say "go".
I`m sure you did not mean to infer that the time given for listening and sincere reflection by many of us here was not genuine, or from informed positions by whatever means, and would not be valid for helping you to produce your album. Although the written statement may have seemed to point that way.
Peace.
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Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
Damn that was eloquent!
And true too!
And true too!
flat-9
New member
I'm here for reciprocal learning.
We all have different gifts across the spectrum and I value the recording, mixing & musical suggestions offered here, whether I agree with them or not.
The only posts I can't stand are the 'one liners' that make me question whether the writer even bothered listening to the tune.....
"aka"...."Cool tune bro, keep rockin."
Another pet peeve is when the thread starter gets all defensive at the suggestions. Why the hell even post a tune if you get all heated up over a critique?
I also have a hard time with. "well, I'm really not into this kind of music, but".........WHO CARES !!!! Give him/her some constructive musical and/or technical information that they can either utilize,
file for future reference, or dismiss and dispose of.
Hey, nothing is perfect, ever........ I simply love this place!( even with it's little flaws.)
Ralph
ps Hey Toki! Damn, was that you? You hot shit! Well said man.
We all have different gifts across the spectrum and I value the recording, mixing & musical suggestions offered here, whether I agree with them or not.
The only posts I can't stand are the 'one liners' that make me question whether the writer even bothered listening to the tune.....
"aka"...."Cool tune bro, keep rockin."
Another pet peeve is when the thread starter gets all defensive at the suggestions. Why the hell even post a tune if you get all heated up over a critique?
I also have a hard time with. "well, I'm really not into this kind of music, but".........WHO CARES !!!! Give him/her some constructive musical and/or technical information that they can either utilize,
file for future reference, or dismiss and dispose of.
Hey, nothing is perfect, ever........ I simply love this place!( even with it's little flaws.)
Ralph
ps Hey Toki! Damn, was that you? You hot shit! Well said man.
TexRoadkill
Audio Bum
Dobro - Just for the record I seem to recall telling you to compress your vocals more so they would sit better in the mix.
I have to agree with Chris that some things are just too subjective. Especially when it comes to different styles. How the hell should some 80's hair metal dude know what vocal levels should be like for psychadelic bluegrass tunes?
I have to agree with Chris that some things are just too subjective. Especially when it comes to different styles. How the hell should some 80's hair metal dude know what vocal levels should be like for psychadelic bluegrass tunes?
Khompewtur
*Retired*
oh shit! I've heard about those Rotel amps, they're shit! They suffer from overvoxification, so it's no wonder. Don't worry your mixes were right on target.
Uhm.. I post the one-line reviews when I don't have any mix wisdom to impart, but still want the poster to know I took the time to download their material and listen to it. I think anyone might appreciate this over no responses at all and also it serves to "bump" a thread and hopefully catch the attention of someone who knows what the hell they are talking about (since it's not me).
Khom
Uhm.. I post the one-line reviews when I don't have any mix wisdom to impart, but still want the poster to know I took the time to download their material and listen to it. I think anyone might appreciate this over no responses at all and also it serves to "bump" a thread and hopefully catch the attention of someone who knows what the hell they are talking about (since it's not me).
Khom
flat-9
New member
Khompewtur said:
Khom,
Point well taken!
(Yet merely one specific comment would be preferable.) My bet is you've got alot to offer, and more to come down the road!
peace,
Ralph
dobro
Well-known member
Hey, good thread. I've read it through a couple of times, and most comments seem to make sense to me. I'm not going to reply to individuals, cuz it would make a long, boring post.
I'll say it again, though: the vocals on the whole album are slightly too loud - I didn't catch it listening through monitors, two cheap sound systems, or two sets of headphones. I caught it through a good sound system, comparing it to pro mixes. I learned something from it, and thought I'd share it. Consider it shared.
I'll say it again, though: the vocals on the whole album are slightly too loud - I didn't catch it listening through monitors, two cheap sound systems, or two sets of headphones. I caught it through a good sound system, comparing it to pro mixes. I learned something from it, and thought I'd share it. Consider it shared.
scottboyher
New member
What?
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Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
Then quit wasting your time and stop posting here.
It gets old....having people critisize this community because it doesn't do exactly what they want it to do. It's a free place and folks can critisize or praise as they wish. For anyone who feels it doesn't serve their needs.....well what the hell are you coming here for? It's not like there's a shortage of other sites you can go to. Some of them are probably what you feel is more useful....so go there!
I do not agree with the people who think that there is only one way for things to sound. Certainly there are certain issues (such as gross distortion for example) that are cut and dried....but some of the things that people make a big deal of about a mix are personal opinions....nothing more. I point out the things that I feel are important and don't worry about the rest. I always say what I think good or bad and anyone that wants to accuse me of somehow not critiquing properly can bite me!
As for dobro's feeling the vocals were too loud....well he admitted himself that he didn't catch it despite listening on many different rigs and yet somehow we did wrong because we didn't catch it? Well that's crap. Sorry dobro....I'm not ragging on you but those are inconsistant things. And Toki had it right....as the writer and performer you hear it differently than others do. I don't accept that I would think the vox was too loud just because you find it to be. Until I hear a CD version on my reference system; I just don't know 'cause I listen for myself and believe it or not, it's possible that we might not agree on how loud your vox should be. I'm not claiming to be right....I haven't even heard it.....I'm just saying that different people hear differently.
I won't respond to any more threads on this subject 'cause it's a waste of time but man it irritates me when people try to tell everyone else how they're supposed to listen or respond.
I appreciate critical critiques of my stuff and I equally appreciate those who simply listen and let me know they did. For serious mixing advice.......I spend hours in my studio and figure it out for myself.
It gets old....having people critisize this community because it doesn't do exactly what they want it to do. It's a free place and folks can critisize or praise as they wish. For anyone who feels it doesn't serve their needs.....well what the hell are you coming here for? It's not like there's a shortage of other sites you can go to. Some of them are probably what you feel is more useful....so go there!
I do not agree with the people who think that there is only one way for things to sound. Certainly there are certain issues (such as gross distortion for example) that are cut and dried....but some of the things that people make a big deal of about a mix are personal opinions....nothing more. I point out the things that I feel are important and don't worry about the rest. I always say what I think good or bad and anyone that wants to accuse me of somehow not critiquing properly can bite me!
As for dobro's feeling the vocals were too loud....well he admitted himself that he didn't catch it despite listening on many different rigs and yet somehow we did wrong because we didn't catch it? Well that's crap. Sorry dobro....I'm not ragging on you but those are inconsistant things. And Toki had it right....as the writer and performer you hear it differently than others do. I don't accept that I would think the vox was too loud just because you find it to be. Until I hear a CD version on my reference system; I just don't know 'cause I listen for myself and believe it or not, it's possible that we might not agree on how loud your vox should be. I'm not claiming to be right....I haven't even heard it.....I'm just saying that different people hear differently.
I won't respond to any more threads on this subject 'cause it's a waste of time but man it irritates me when people try to tell everyone else how they're supposed to listen or respond.
I appreciate critical critiques of my stuff and I equally appreciate those who simply listen and let me know they did. For serious mixing advice.......I spend hours in my studio and figure it out for myself.
Chris Shaeffer
Peavey ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've been thinking about this one a bit.
Back in Portland, I have a very good friend who is a phenomenal guitar player and songwriter. He also has a VERY good ear for someone who doesn't do much recording. I could give him a mix and he'd come back with half a page of notes on things he really liked and things he really didn't like. Then we'd both sit by the board and tweak the mix until it was perfect.
Since I've moved, I don't have that. I live and work with a load of musicians, but not a one of them has a trained ear for EQ and mix problems. They tell me "Oh, that sounds good! Yeah, great! Um, yeah."
The Clinic gives me an opportunity to run my mix past other ears that also mix. That's pretty valuable, really. Its hard to create the tune, arrange the tune, record the tune, then mix the tune all in a vaccuum and have it sound right. Other ears are a blessing.
Take care,
Chris
Back in Portland, I have a very good friend who is a phenomenal guitar player and songwriter. He also has a VERY good ear for someone who doesn't do much recording. I could give him a mix and he'd come back with half a page of notes on things he really liked and things he really didn't like. Then we'd both sit by the board and tweak the mix until it was perfect.
Since I've moved, I don't have that. I live and work with a load of musicians, but not a one of them has a trained ear for EQ and mix problems. They tell me "Oh, that sounds good! Yeah, great! Um, yeah."
The Clinic gives me an opportunity to run my mix past other ears that also mix. That's pretty valuable, really. Its hard to create the tune, arrange the tune, record the tune, then mix the tune all in a vaccuum and have it sound right. Other ears are a blessing.
Take care,
Chris
Pedullist
Stop it, I can't breathe
Wait, I have a feeling some people around here forget 'the fun-factor' of this board. In my opinion, it's all good fun....listening to music made by peers, helping them, learn something everyday & just trying to make pleasant conversation about music and mixing in general. Sometimes I listen to the comments, and remix a song. Sometimes I don't. It doesn't alter the fun-factor for me. It's, after all, just music people!
And I've made some new friends, which is really nice.
And I've made some new friends, which is really nice.
SLuiCe
New member
Lt. Bob said:
I am very much with Steve on this. There's a certain dogma to a lot of "critiques" that can be frustrating to read, in my threads and others. Hopefully people just starting out won't fall into the pit of "right and wrong" writing/recording approaches because somebody tells them in an overly confident manner that it should be this way or that way.
And I like the vocal levels on "Original Sin," Paul. So I guess I'm missing something.
Toki987
Rock Steady
"..an we`ll have fun fun fun,
Till daddy takes the T-Bird awayeeyay..."
p.s. I jus started working my 3 month rotation on night shift this week. It`ll take me a day or two to get my bones adjusted. I`ll be listening and posting my trash again in a few days...
Till daddy takes the T-Bird awayeeyay..."
p.s. I jus started working my 3 month rotation on night shift this week. It`ll take me a day or two to get my bones adjusted. I`ll be listening and posting my trash again in a few days...
dobro
Well-known member
"As for dobro's feeling the vocals were too loud....well he admitted himself that he didn't catch it despite listening on many different rigs and yet somehow we did wrong because we didn't catch it? Well that's crap. Sorry dobro....I'm not ragging on you but those are inconsistant things."
Show me where I said anybody here 'did wrong'.
Look, I'm reporting a very simple thing here - on a very good sound system, I heard something that I missed on less good systems, and which people here missed as well. I'm reporting, not criticizing, and I think it's a useful report. When people in this thread say something like: 'I thought the levels in the mp3s you posted here were fine,' I believe them. I believe their report. So, if somebody reads this thread and believes what I'm saying about the songs, and also believes what other people are saying about the songs, well they've got a clearer picture of what this forum can (and can't) accomplish. They'd probably conclude something like I've concluded: 'This forum's useful, but don't expect it to do what it can't do.'
You don't have to believe my report if you don't want to. So what's the irritation about?
Show me where I said anybody here 'did wrong'.
Look, I'm reporting a very simple thing here - on a very good sound system, I heard something that I missed on less good systems, and which people here missed as well. I'm reporting, not criticizing, and I think it's a useful report. When people in this thread say something like: 'I thought the levels in the mp3s you posted here were fine,' I believe them. I believe their report. So, if somebody reads this thread and believes what I'm saying about the songs, and also believes what other people are saying about the songs, well they've got a clearer picture of what this forum can (and can't) accomplish. They'd probably conclude something like I've concluded: 'This forum's useful, but don't expect it to do what it can't do.'
You don't have to believe my report if you don't want to. So what's the irritation about?
SLuiCe
New member
Get your hot dogs he-ah!
Get your hot dogs and soda he-ah!
Get your hot dogs and soda he-ah!