Wharfedale Diamond Pro Monitors

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All I'm saying is that there are a number of orders which Deepwater hasn't fulfilled, has gone missing or failed to organise replacements on ... some of them had to threaten legal action to get any progress made, and if that has taken >3 months for some guys in the States, how much more badly might it go for you .... ?

I speak as someone who almost bought, but then was flagged towards the warnings myself.
 
Well that's that sorted then. Thanks Noisedude. You've helped me many a time.
 
you could ask equipmentcenter.de in germany.

they are selling them for 330 € ( shipping germany included ).

The Price in their online shop is higher.

But its interesting that those english speakers are in britain more expensive than in germany :D

Did buy mine for 300 but with a lot of other stuff
 
noisedude said:
All I'm saying is that there are a number of orders which Deepwater hasn't fulfilled, has gone missing or failed to organise replacements on ... some of them had to threaten legal action to get any progress made, and if that has taken >3 months for some guys in the States, how much more badly might it go for you .... ?

I speak as someone who almost bought, but then was flagged towards the warnings myself.
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I second this! Had an awful experience with him. Had to threaten legal action.
 
then it sounds like a BIG FAT ASS!!!!
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a nice big fat ass always sounds good :D
 

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Drummer Dude, as you are in the UK. The original recommendation (from Massive Mastering) was for the passive hi-fi versions with the yellow cones, which I followed and was happy with. Oh look, you can get them now for £80:

http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/sound-and-vision/sound/speakers/142056/details

Get yourself a decent quality amp second hand (like a Bryston or Hafler) and you are away. I think the actives are just cynical marketing built upon the reputaton the original hi-fi passives were getting in home recording circles. You could maybe avoid the hype and get back to what the point was in the first place.
 
wharfedale..monitors..

re-reading this thread, its a good one.

i think Harvey Gerst mentioned either one, pass or active, was alright (mid way in this thread)...both crossovers transparent. Thumbs up from the man.

passive Wharf's..what a deal. $191pair US free shipping...brand new!
or the York passives ~$200
UK built and no internal electronics and glowing-leds to worry about.

as mr.rich also said "for the price........."

Wharfedales seem to have stayed on the positive "great-cheap-stuff" list.
DMP3, Yorks, RNC, Shure SM57 .........

damn now i'm getting gearhead addiction again..passive Wharfs..mmm, mmm, mmm... i gotta go smoke and calm down.. I've got 5 or 6 pairs of speakers around the house already!
 
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Drummer Dude, as you are in the UK. The original recommendation (from Massive Mastering) was for the passive hi-fi versions with the yellow cones, which I followed and was happy with. Oh look, you can get them now for £80:

http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/sound-and-vision/sound/speakers/142056/details

Get yourself a decent quality amp second hand (like a Bryston or Hafler) and you are away. I think the actives are just cynical marketing built upon the reputaton the original hi-fi passives were getting in home recording circles. You could maybe avoid the hype and get back to what the point was in the first place.
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They call them HI-fi shelf speakers? I'm cool with that so long as they're good enough for mixing etc. Just stuck me as a little queer. :confused:

Could you reccomend a good type of amp i could use with these and how much they should cost. How come they're so cheep??
 
Garry, I'm afraid you just invaded my bank balance again ... I'm going to get a set of them and use a Servo or similar till I can source a cheap Hafler. These Alesis ones are pissing me off now with their low end, so I'll give the Wharfey passives a try.
 
I think they are so cheap because they are now obsolescent. They are the real deal tho'. Another similar recommendation is B&W 602's.

I am not bet qualified to talk about amps, but Massive and others talk about Hafler or Bryston do a search on this bbs and you'll get more. I think £100 - £150 will get you a good used one. I keep planning to upgrade myself (I have an Inter-M R150 Reference Amp) but until I find a way to sort out my room acoustics I think I'd be wasting my time.

Avoid the very cheap power amps like Samson.

Garry
 
Garry Sharp said:
Drummer Dude, as you are in the UK. The original recommendation (from Massive Mastering) was for the passive hi-fi versions with the yellow cones, which I followed and was happy with. Oh look, you can get them now for £80:

http://www.pricerunner.co.uk/sound-and-vision/sound/speakers/142056/details

Get yourself a decent quality amp second hand (like a Bryston or Hafler) and you are away. I think the actives are just cynical marketing built upon the reputaton the original hi-fi passives were getting in home recording circles. You could maybe avoid the hype and get back to what the point was in the first place.
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should i now sell my active 8.2 and buy the hifi 8.2 with an hafler TA1600 ?

is the amp in the active version so bad ? Did read before i purchase that the amps are well build ( Harvey Gerst write this somewhere ) and i am a little bit confused now.

Another question. What about the quad 11L or 12L with an hafler ?
 
I'm using a cambridge audio A5 amp with a pair of hifi mission speakers at the moment.

Whatever i buy will be a massive improvement. I can't find used Haflers anywhere in the Uk.

How bad would it be if i used the Wharfs with my cambridge audio amp. (also bearing in mind that my room isn't treated and i have drums directly behind me and acoustic guitars hanging everywhere)

Does it make THAT much of a difference (im a bit of a newbie about monitoring, i never really looked into it before)
 
I'm also looking at getting a pair of these. My current monitoring setup is crown d-75 amp and event 20/20 speakers

I'm also interested in a 220-240v version of these as i am in australia. If anyone who has them knows if there is a switch or fuse somewhere enabling you to switch from 110-120 to 220-240 information would be greatly apreciated (shocking spelling)

also deepwater if you can send me a quote that would be great....
 
sweeettt monitors....

Garry Sharp said:
I think they are so cheap because they are now obsolescent. They are the real deal tho'. Another similar recommendation is B&W 602's.
Garry
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They are still making the Passive "yellow cone" 8.2 according to the the new product line booklet and their website lists the 8.2 passive. i think there was a thread that mentioned they don't make the passives anymore which I believe is incorrect.

602's...are double the cost. ~$400-500.B&W's and others seem to keep quality a high priority.
yeah, it is strange the cheap Wharfs can get the double weave Kevlar, quad wrapped coil windings etc. into a cheap speaker..another is how the RNC compressor can have such a good design/quality for its low price?

i've learned from HR...not to confuse cost with quality.
a good design and decent quality components/build is key.
and in reality the quality/design costs more....as with anything, take cars or furniture for example.

its just guys, like Massive for example, and other pro's that can share some of the insights and knowledge that turn us on to some "great-cheap stuff", now and then. is all i'm saying.

like the DMP3, RNC, B&W, Yorks... i'd never heard of them? i guess i always listened to the salesman in my younger days.
now i realize they have different motivation ($$) than the pro's on this forum who are really just offering free advice. IMO.

Gary, your signature says your 5yrs old!...i'm totally blown away!!damn i wish i was 15 again and had HR.
heheee :) (i'm assuming your kidding? :eek: )
 
here is an interesting description of the wharfedale/quad production in china shenzen. Go down at the Site to " Stereophilia: China, My China By Wes Phillips". Is really a long article but worth to read.
 
Cost vs Quality

fernandoesmaron
good read. sounds like IAG own Wharfedale.
proofs-in-the-pudding.. which means the "real" QC is when people plug 'em in.
As long as they don't degrade with the original designs and materials, it shouldn't matter where the machine/factory is located.
Are ALL Wharfs built in China? UK plant shutdown?

speaker talk..
my physics buddy said there isn't any difference sound wise between yellow and black Kevlar cones. The weave and thickness is more important.

Visually, the Wharfedale and KRK V series, have the nice thick weave if you look at 'em. Almost a cloth appearance.
The $50 Sony yellow-kevlar at WalMart look like glue coated yellow stuff.
most likely very thin Kevlar held together by a ploymer or glue instead of weave design.

so based off Design the Wharfs look to have the heavy Kevlar weave..
found in higher dollar speakers.
He also said weaved Kevlar can relax over many years, so the sound can change slightly as the weave loosens...which is great news, so a gearhead will have an excuse to buy a new set of monitors!! whooohooo!!
 
To repeat what i asked earlier, im using a cambrige audio A5 amp to power some mission hifi speakers.

I'm thinking of getting the passive Wharfs, but can i use the amp i have now?

If not then can you reccomend some nice cheap models i can look into? (cheap in the UK, not US)
 
CoolCat i am from germany and it wasn´t easy to understand the long article with my school english. I have the same problem here too and don´t understand all. As example i had to look in my dictionary to understand your last posting right. :eek:

Could it be that the quad´s uses the same woven kevlar but an modified version of the diamond 8 woofers ? And what about the diamond 9´s ? They are black too but are updated also ?

I am really interested to A/B the diamond 8.2 / 9.2 and the Quad 12L. Or the active 8.2 with the active quad pro 12L. Want to know how they all sounds, but difficult to find all here ( especially the quads ). :rolleyes:

I should change my nickname to kevlar :)

@ drummerdude666

I think John Scrip ( MassiveMastering ) would say: "The better the source and amplifier the more these speakers sing." :)
 
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Garry's in his thirties and is a successful businessy-type bloke who works in the City world of suits and desks. He even has his photo on his company's website. :) Not bad for a five year-old. :)
 
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