The New Tone Thread

[minerman]

Dave Grohl as a guitarist & his band the Poo Diapers are shit.

There, I fixed it for ya...

That pretty much sums up what I think about Grohl & his whole band to be honest. They do have a couple decent songs that I actually like a little (Learn To Fly & Best Of You), but they're not the iconic rock god music masters everybody makes them out to be. I know he's paid his dues, & he basically is rock royalty because of his involvement with Nirvana, but they're way over-hyped to me, to the point they're obnoxious...

You're a very good guitarist Greg, even your leads are good when you apply yourself dude...I've been telling you this shit for years, don't sell yourself short man...

 

[JDOD]

He does get a bit of a pass for being in Nirvana. He current music is pretty generic modern rock. They're not bad though, they're just not that good either. I've seen them live once and they were pretty good.

 

[Greg_L]

IMO the Foo Fighters get WAY too much credit because they're one of the few rock acts left that's easily digestible for mainstream america. It's easy to look like a hard rocking band when you're going up against Demi Lovato and Coldplay. And Grohl is silly and likable and he smiles a lot. Middle aged white women can safely get on board the Foo Fighters' train and rock out. Their songs are sterile generic radio rock pap. I don't understand how people can hate and make fun of Nickelback while the Foo Fighters are universally loved. They're the same safe non threatening generic shit corporate rock band.

 

[jimistone]

I've never listened to the Foo Fighters that much. I remember seeing the "smells like teen spirit" video when it first hit and thinking "Man, I really like this band!". Ditto on Soundgardens "Outshined".
I was so sick of hair band rock at the time I felt like shooting the TV everytime a video came on. Especially that cheesy "more than words" ballad video.
The first time I heard the Foo Fighters they didn't effect me like that. I remember thinking "That Nirvana drummer obviously wasn't the creative force in Nirvana."

I never saw what all the fuss was about. I think since the Foo Fighters had a former Nirvana member they were simply dubbed "awsome" by the rock and roll press. The actual music the put out had very little to do with it IMO.

 

[jimistone]

I will say this. I saw Grohl play drums with Jimmy Page on guitar and John Paul Jones on bass doing a Led Zeppelin song. I can't remember which one...it was on an awards show I think. Anyway, he kicked ass on the drums big time. The expression he had on his face was total bliss. Like "you can kill me now cause nothing will ever top this"
I made me say "Yeah! A guy that deserves to be on that drum throne because he really appreciates Led Zeppelin, can really play well, and knows how many 1000s of drummers would dream of sitting in his spot at that very moment.
it was really cool!

 

[jimistone]

kind of quiet in here.
I might as well post some rockabilly tones.
this is a vintage strat going through my fender mustang modeling amp. I think the preset is " dying deluxe".
I tweaked it a bit to somewhat simulate an old hollow body Gretch that was popular for the genre and era. While it may not be a convincing Gretch simulation....it didn't sound too bad so I quit tweaking and just went with it.

https://m.soundcloud.com/jimistone/high-school-confidential-4

 

[minerman]

kind of quiet in here.
I might as well post some rockabilly tones.
this is a vintage strat going through my fender mustang modeling amp. I think the preset is " dying deluxe".
I tweaked it a bit to somewhat simulate an old hollow body Gretch that was popular for the genre and era. While it may not be a convincing Gretch simulation....it didn't sound too bad so I quit tweaking and just went with it.

https://m.soundcloud.com/jimistone/high-school-confidential-4

Pretty cool Jimi, sounds like an old-school garage band jammin'....

 

[Sky Blue Lou]

Jimi Lee Stone Good stuff.

 

[Greg_L]

kind of quiet in here.
I might as well post some rockabilly tones.
this is a vintage strat going through my fender mustang modeling amp. I think the preset is " dying deluxe".
I tweaked it a bit to somewhat simulate an old hollow body Gretch that was popular for the genre and era. While it may not be a convincing Gretch simulation....it didn't sound too bad so I quit tweaking and just went with it.

https://m.soundcloud.com/jimistone/high-school-confidential-4

That's my favorite Killer song. Nice job on the git playing. I'm not getting a rockabilly "Gtretsch" sound though. Sounds like a Strat to me. But it still sounds pretty good just for what it is. The tone sounds a little flat to me. Maybe it's that amp.

 

[Greg_L]

Hey I got a package today! Two, actually. Now to turn all this shit into one usable pile.



I need to get a mounting bracket for the power supply. I could just rig it, but for 12 bucks I can do it right.

I'm super stoked about the flight case for the pedalboard. It's all pretty sturdy, and that's what I need.

 

[minerman]

Hey I got a package today! Two, actually. Now to turn all this shit into one usable pile.



I need to get a mounting bracket for the power supply. I could just rig it, but for 12 bucks I can do it right.

I'm super stoked about the flight case for the pedalboard. It's all pretty sturdy, and that's what I need.

Nice man!!!!! I was wondering about that stuff, I'm guessing they had to order what you wanted, then ship it to you, right???

I'd be picky about mounting the power supply too, I mean, you've already gone this far, might as well do it all right...


In other news, had a visit from the police today, asking me to turn the music down. He told me they couldn't really do anything until after 9 pm (which I already knew that), but said the neighbors had called several times...Guess I'm gonna have to lay low for a few days & pick/choose when I get loud...It's kinda funny, because I have a 15w amp now, & before I had 50/100 watters...

 

[Lt. Bob]

Toys!!!!

hey i got a package today! Two, actually. Now to turn all this shit into one usable pile.


i need to get a mounting bracket for the power supply. I could just rig it, but for 12 bucks i can do it right.

I'm super stoked about the flight case for the pedalboard. It's all pretty sturdy, and that's what i need.

 

[Greg_L]

Nice man!!!!! I was wondering about that stuff, I'm guessing they had to order what you wanted, then ship it to you, right???

I'd be picky about mounting the power supply too, I mean, you've already gone this far, might as well do it all right...

It was all bought online, so it all came from their main warehouse as far as I know. I went to pick it all up at my local store. I thought that either the board or the power supply came with a universal bracket. I must have read the descriptions wrong. No matter. It'll be here friday I think.

In other news, had a visit from the police today, asking me to turn the music down. He told me they couldn't really do anything until after 9 pm (which I already knew that), but said the neighbors had called several times...Guess I'm gonna have to lay low for a few days & pick/choose when I get loud...It's kinda funny, because I have a 15w amp now, & before I had 50/100 watters...

Damn that sucks! I thought your neighbors were cool out there in the sticks. What house are you in now?

Toys!!!!

Yeah! Now to fit and route all this shit cleanly.

 

[jimistone]

thanks for listening to my rockabilly tones guys.


greg...
that pedal board setup is gonna be very nice!

 

[Greg_L]

Thanks. I hope so. The noise gate seems to be the wild-card in routing the whole setup. It's got a through and an effects loop. I can just run it as a standard straight in-line gate first on the board. But I'm trying to also utilize it's loop, which will include the pedals. Not that I really need all that, but I'll give it a shot. The guitar goes in and out to amp. The pedals all run through the gate's send and return. Sheesh. This is above my pay-grade.

 

[minerman]

Damn that sucks! I thought your neighbors were cool out there in the sticks. What house are you in now?

Well, technically I do live in the sticks (compared to a lot of you guys...), but I lost the house last year, & I'm living in a little sub-division now. Neighbors all around, each house has like 1/4" acre lot, so they're pretty close...It was an old woman who lives next door, the cop even told me so...Kinda made me feel bad because she's old & sick, but still....

I'm still trying to work out another pad though, hopefully if/when that happens, you'll need a 4wd just to get to my place & I won't have to worry about noise at all, but for now, I'm gonna have to play it cool...

I guess the little 15w amp is louder than I thought, it was on 5 today, full power, re-amping some tracks...I can still play/record, I'll just have to keep it down for a while to let things cool off a little....

 

[Lt. Bob]

I guess the little 15w amp is louder than I thought, it was on 5 today, full power, re-amping some tracks...I can still play/record, I'll just have to keep it down for a while to let things cool off a little....

technically 15 watts isn't much softer than a 50 watt amp and even compared to a 100 watter, it's over half as loud.
The rule of thumb is to get twice as loud you need 10 times the power.
So a 100 watt amp is only twice as loud as a 10 watt amp ..... making a 15 watt amp maybe 3/4 as loud.

 

[Tadpui]

Hey I got a package today! Two, actually. Now to turn all this shit into one usable pile.

I need to get a mounting bracket for the power supply. I could just rig it, but for 12 bucks I can do it right.

I'm super stoked about the flight case for the pedalboard. It's all pretty sturdy, and that's what I need.

The PedalTrain didn't include a mounting bracket? Mine came with the bracket and photo instructions about how to install it. Weird that they would supply that with some pedalboards and not others.

I used a Boss NS-2 noise suppressor for a decade or more, it was a great pedal. Looks like that EHX is a (much) nicer version of the NS-2. The threshold and sustain controls for the gate are terrific tools to have, so it doesn't chop off your sustained notes or get too aggressive while you're playing. I'm curious how it works out for ya. I only ditched my NS-2 because the inputs/outputs started failing and going intermittent.

I went back and forth with using the FX loop or not. I think that all in all, the FX loop is the way to go, putting all of your FX in there (or at least your noisy ones), plugging your guitar into the input and the output straight to the amp. That gives you the best of both worlds: super-specific setting of your threshold based only on the strength of your direct tone off of your guitar, and it mutes all of your noisy pedals (OD, distortion, compressors, that damn MXR EQ) any time the gate is closed. I used to put the suppressor first and run everything else in series behind it, but that left my noisy pedals doing their thing (generating noise) even when the gate was closed. If I put my noisy pedals in front of it, that made it too hard to find the right threshold setting, since the noise floor was so high going into the suppressor. Noisy pedals in the FX loop turned out to be the best way to go for me.

The biggest PITA with the NS-2 was that the send/return jacks were hard to route cables to/from.

 

[Tadpui]

Nice man!!!!! I was wondering about that stuff, I'm guessing they had to order what you wanted, then ship it to you, right???

I'd be picky about mounting the power supply too, I mean, you've already gone this far, might as well do it all right...


In other news, had a visit from the police today, asking me to turn the music down. He told me they couldn't really do anything until after 9 pm (which I already knew that), but said the neighbors had called several times...Guess I'm gonna have to lay low for a few days & pick/choose when I get loud...It's kinda funny, because I have a 15w amp now, & before I had 50/100 watters...

Damn Miner, that sucks! Maybe it's time to make friends with the old lady and make a deal for certain times of day when you can blast away? And yeah, funny (well, not funny ha-ha) that she gets militant AFTER you downsized by 85 watts!

We just got new neighbors today, first time in 15 years. I'm hoping that they don't have seismograph-like hearing. Would be just my luck to have the cops break down my door because I can't hear the doorbell from my studio! Hopefully with a mostly-soundproofed basement studio, I don't cause too much of a ruckus in the neighborhood when I have the JCM800 blasting away.

 

[Greg_L]

The PedalTrain didn't include a mounting bracket? Mine came with the bracket and photo instructions about how to install it. Weird that they would supply that with some pedalboards and not others.

I used a Boss NS-2 noise suppressor for a decade or more, it was a great pedal. Looks like that EHX is a (much) nicer version of the NS-2. The threshold and sustain controls for the gate are terrific tools to have, so it doesn't chop off your sustained notes or get too aggressive while you're playing. I'm curious how it works out for ya. I only ditched my NS-2 because the inputs/outputs started failing and going intermittent.

I went back and forth with using the FX loop or not. I think that all in all, the FX loop is the way to go, putting all of your FX in there (or at least your noisy ones), plugging your guitar into the input and the output straight to the amp. That gives you the best of both worlds: super-specific setting of your threshold based only on the strength of your direct tone off of your guitar, and it mutes all of your noisy pedals (OD, distortion, compressors, that damn MXR EQ) any time the gate is closed. I used to put the suppressor first and run everything else in series behind it, but that left my noisy pedals doing their thing (generating noise) even when the gate was closed. If I put my noisy pedals in front of it, that made it too hard to find the right threshold setting, since the noise floor was so high going into the suppressor. Noisy pedals in the FX loop turned out to be the best way to go for me.

The biggest PITA with the NS-2 was that the send/return jacks were hard to route cables to/from.

No, no brackets with mine. I don't know why. It's not that big a deal, but I did think it'd have something. Maybe they forgot to pack it. Whatever, I paid 0 dollars for it.

But...I'm not sticking all this shit down until the power supply is in place. I've got it mocked up and it all seems good. The Rat and the wireless receiver are not going on. I hate The Rat and the wireless thing rarely gets used, so I don't want them on the board. Everything else is mocked up and cabled. Routing is not a problem.

I only have two effects that go into my amp's effects loop - MXR 10-band EQ and the Flashback Delay, and only two amps with an effects loop, so the amp effects loop pedals stay semi segregated from the front-of-all-amps pedals. They don't get used much, so they occupy the top row of the board. The bottom row is stuff that go to the front of the amp, and they can be used on any amp, so they will be routed through the noise gate's effects loop. The gate will be on the top row with the rarely used amp effects loop pedals. Should work fine, but who knows.