The New Tone Thread

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I agree with yall. Although I know this amp goes mental when boosted. I think there's something about the hotness of the raw clip, reamped through a pedal, makes it mush out some. The amp only clip sounds best to me.
 
Greg_L said:
Okay J, here's three quick reamped clips.

JCM 800
SD1 Boosted JCM 800
TS9 Boosted JCM 800

Your raw clip was mega fucking hot. It clipped. I had to turn it down a little but that didn't do anything to help the low end in the signal, so it flubs a little.
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Holy shit. So weird to hear myself through a totally different rig like that. Cheers, Greg. That's great.

My favourite is the SD1. The TS is just too much, probably made worse by the level of my signal. I found with the palm mutes at the start the SD1 was more defined.. is that 'cos of compression?

I'll have to try and find a way of reducing it somehow - weird how the focusrite can't get the gain low enough for my guitar. Its not like its a particularly strange pickup or anything - its a stock Duncan.
 
I'm curious as to why your pickup would clip the input. It has to be something in the interface preamp section. I'm not some guru of direct recording, but I don't think a lowly passive guitar pickup should be clipping anything if there's no gain added. None of mine clip the instrument input on my Tascam. My hottest pickup doesn't even come close as far as I can remember.

Let's try some more this week if you want.
 
Greg_L said:
I'm curious as to why your pickup would clip the input. It has to be something in the interface preamp section. I'm not some guru of direct recording, but I don't think a lowly passive guitar pickup should be clipping anything if there's no gain added. None of mine clip the instrument input on my Tascam. My hottest pickup doesn't even come close as far as I can remember.

Let's try some more this week if you want.
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Yeah, its strange and would be nice to get to the bottom of it. I have my old TonePort in Bristol and I travel there first thing in the morning. I'll try re-recording tomorrow night through the TonePort and see if the same thing happens.

I know I've not fucked up something simple either 'cos the cable I plugged my guitar into was pulled straight out of my bass and I hadn't changed any settings on the AI or in the DAW - all I did was reduce the gain to attempt to reduce the clipping. My guitar can't be that hot!

If it was that hot I probably wouldn't be able to get a totally clean tone though my amp on the bridge pickup and I can, no problem. When I've double tracked with my Ibanez on idential amp settings my Ibanez appears a touch louder.
 
JDOD said:
Yeah, its strange and would be nice to get to the bottom of it. I have my old TonePort in Bristol and I travel there first thing in the morning. I'll try re-recording tomorrow night through the TonePort and see if the same thing happens.

I know I've not fucked up something simple either 'cos the cable I plugged my guitar into was pulled straight out of my bass and I hadn't changed any settings on the AI or in the DAW - all I did was reduce the gain to attempt to reduce the clipping. My guitar can't be that hot!
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What pickup is in the guitar?
 
JDOD said:
I'll have to try and find a way of reducing it somehow - weird how the focusrite can't get the gain low enough for my guitar.
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Look for a button (or perhaps in your software) that changes the line input from a +4 db and attenuates (or whatever the technical term is) to -11 db. On my Tascam US-1800, my front panel has 2 - 1/4" jacks that can be switched from mic level to line level (and the gain knobs still work similar to what you had posted earlier). The back of my unit has an additional 4 - 1/4" inputs with a pad button to attenuate. Maybe your interface is similar?

JDOD said:
Cheers Bill. I'm just glad it sounds halfway passable - I was playing pretty much blind - I could only hear my unplugged electric.
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:thumbs up: And you did a great job.
 
Greg, its a Duncan JB.

Bill, I had the interface set to "instrument" instead of "line" which makes that adjustment. I'd been recording my bass the same way only a couple of hours before.
 
JDOD said:
Greg, its a Duncan JB.
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Ah, that explains the flubby low end. That's a pretty hot pickup, but I don't think it's clip-the-input hot. I took a direct feed off a guy with a Duncan Invader while tracking him live and it didn't clip that channels input. And that pickup is stupid hot.
 
I've just popped my ibanez into the interface using the exact same settings, it's hot, but still not going much above -6. It appears that my main guitar just has a very hot JB in it. The ibanez V8 pickup is supposed to be pretty hot too.
 
JDOD said:
I've just popped my ibanez into the interface using the exact same settings, it's hot, but still not going much above -6. It appears that my main guitar just has a very hot JB in it. The ibanez V8 pickup is supposed to be pretty hot too.
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That's about what I'd expect. Peaks around -4 or so with a hot pickup.
 
I'll see if I can find the spec for a V8 and see how it compares to a JB
 
Greg_L said:
Okay J, here's three quick reamped clips.

JCM 800
SD1 Boosted JCM 800
TS9 Boosted JCM 800

Your raw clip was mega fucking hot. It clipped. I had to turn it down a little but that didn't do anything to help the low end in the signal, so it flubs a little.
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I like the SD1 clip best, these clips sound a little mushy to me, but they're not bad...

On the di level, I try to keep it kinda low I suppose, my di's peak around -6 or so, that gives me a little safety net in case I really dig in...

I've got the 'lil stack warming up, should have some clips shortly....

Jdude, send me your di & I'll re-amp it through the EVH 15w if you wanna....
 
Cheers miner.

PM me your email addy.

I've checked the spec of the JB, it's 16.4 k ohm. Haven't found the spec of the V8 yet.
 
JDOD said:
Greg, its a Duncan JB.

Bill, I had the interface set to "instrument" instead of "line" which makes that adjustment. I'd been recording my bass the same way only a couple of hours before.
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Drop the height of the duncan a bit. It will help with the clipping as well as giving you more string to string definition with higher amp gain.

16k? Thats fucking hot. Definately try the above.
 
RFR said:
Drop the height of the duncan a bit. It will help with the clipping as well as giving you more string to string definition with higher amp gain.
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Yeah, good idea. Or at least drop the bass side.
 
The signal thing is kinda weird to me. With all my guitars, I can set the pre-amp gain on my interface to about "5", it doesn't clip, & peaks around -6db or so...

Even the Duncan Custom Custom is about the same as my Gibson p'ups...
 
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