The New Tone Thread

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Greg_L said:
Well, nothings broken. Had an XRay. I guess it's just a sprain I keep re-aggravating. Doc said to stop doing all the things that hurt it - which is silly since nothing I do actually hurts it. It's the things I don't mean to do that hurts it. :laughings:
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That's good news nothing is broken Greg...I have a bad habit of doing shit like that too, anything that's sore/hurts I end up doing the same thing, so you're not alone...:)


Greg_L said:
No, nothing weird signaled a power supply failure. It just wouldn't turn on one day. Mine had this little light that would blink on the back of the computer. Steady light = good. If it was blinking, the power supply was malfunctioning. Get this shit...I'd heat it with a hairdryer and bam, the light would turn on steady and the computer would start. Lol. I got tired of doing that stupid shit so I forked over the 15 bucks for a new power supply.
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I honestly don't know shit about computers, but that sounds to me like the hair dryer was pushing just enough air into it to switch on, but honestly I have no idea...The power supply I bought was like $50 including shipping, but I got an higher-watt model (the original was 300w, the new one is 430w) just so I'd be sure to have more than enough going into the components. It's got a 3 year warranty, so I'm sure that added to the cost...

I'm completely lost without my desktop, I can listen to stuff, surf the 'net, but can't do anything even remotely related to a daw with this shitty little laptop. I tried it back in the winter, & it just won't handle it...And I know this desktop ain't gonna last forever, but hopefully it'll last long enough until I can get another one...


Rami: Clip sounds fine to me dude, sounds about like what a clean Gibby should sound like...The playing is tight...Only thing I could suggest is if you've got a strat, maybe try it on one side or the other, but that's just a suggestion off the top of my head, it's fine as-is....
 
minerman said:
Rami: Clip sounds fine to me dude, sounds about like what a clean Gibby should sound like...The playing is tight...Only thing I could suggest is if you've got a strat, maybe try it on one side or the other, but that's just a suggestion off the top of my head, it's fine as-is....
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Thanx brother.

You know, I was tempted to pick up the Strat for at least one of the tracks, but I decided against it for a few reasons. One is that a clean Strat is too much of a recognisable sound to the point that I find it a little dated or cliche, if you know what I mean. Nile Rogers and all that. :D

But also, I'm not doubling the guitars in this one, like we usually do. I can't see doubling this kind of guitar playing. I might be tight, but it would never be tight enough to have two guitars playing the same part for this style. So, I went SJ all the way. :)
 
RAMI said:
Thanx brother.

You know, I was tempted to pick up the Strat for at least one of the tracks, but I decided against it for a few reasons. One is that a clean Strat is too much of a recognisable sound to the point that I find it a little dated or cliche, if you know what I mean. Nile Rogers and all that. :D

But also, I'm not doubling the guitars in this one, like we usually do. I can't see doubling this kind of guitar playing. I might be tight, but it would never be tight enough to have two guitars playing the same part for this style. So, I went SJ all the way. :)
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+1 on the Nile Rogers thing man...

I'd say you could play it that tight dude, that last clip was pretty damn tight. A lot better than I can do...
 
minerman said:
I'd say you could play it that tight dude, that last clip was pretty damn tight. A lot better than I can do...
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Thanx man. I'm not going to lie and say these are all one takes. I never copy and paste parts, like verses and choruses, but I do my share of punching in. The being tight part probably has a lot to do with being a drumber. But I'm not good enough to always play a song all the way through. Sometimes I do, and I always try to, but I often record in sections. Except for my drum tracks. Personal pride makes do all my drum tracks all the way through, like I'm on stage.
 
I do a lot of things in sections man, it just makes sense sometimes. It is nice to say "Oh dude, I did this all the way through", but really, the final, finished song is what matters the most....

The copy/paste thing really doesn't work for double-tracking IMO, I should know, I tried it a few times way back when. It's just as fast/easy to re-track a part than to try fiddling with it, trying to make it work...
 
I've been steadily getting away from the precision precise performance approach. As long as the drums and bass are tight, I'm good. I think a little wonkiness in the guitars adds to the neanderthal personality of a rollicking greg tune. I pretty regularly blast through something in one take and just live with the consequences much of the time. I'm not playing Rush or anything. Successfully running through my shit in one take isn't that difficult. :laughings:
 
minerman said:
I do a lot of things in sections man, it just makes sense sometimes. It is nice to say "Oh dude, I did this all the way through", but really, the final, finished song is what matters the most....
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I agree. It would be nice to say I played everything all the way through, but sometimes it's not even practical to do it that way.

The copy/paste thing really doesn't work for double-tracking IMO, I should know, I tried it a few times way back when. It's just as fast/easy to re-track a part than to try fiddling with it, trying to make it work...
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OH, I agree. I never copy and paste for the doubling, that's not even an option for me. I meant copy first verse into the second verse. I don't do that. Even if the parts are the same, I like to think SOMETHING will make the performance of the second verse sound a little different than the first verse, etc....

Greg_L said:
I've been steadily getting away from the precision precise performance approach. As long as the drums and bass are tight, I'm good. I think a little wonkiness in the guitars adds to the neanderthal personality of a rollicking greg tune. I pretty regularly blast through something in one take and just live with the consequences much of the time. I'm not playing Rush or anything. Successfully running through my shit in one take isn't that difficult. :laughings:
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I agree. I like tight bass and drums, but guitar is what rock and roll is all about. Like women, the imperfections are usually more attractive than the ones that look like porcelain dolls. :D

You might not be playing Rush, but the speed and style of what you play requires you to be as tight as a mofo. Not everyone can do it, even so-called "better" players. I'm pretty sure I'd have to practice my ASS off to ever replace you on the drums for a gig.
 
RAMI said:
You might not be playing Rush, but the speed and style of what you play requires you to be as tight as a mofo. Not everyone can do it, even so-called "better" players. .
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absolutely ..... Greg "aw shucks" his skills because he doesn't consider them fancy or elaborate.
But that fast blast beat stuff he does is HARD to do like he does it.

And even the drummers I know that could do it would fall off their stool after the 3rd song.
I have no doubt Greg can do it all night.

Hell .... that vid he posted not too long ago proves the point ..... his speed and precision and consistency were just this side of astounding.

I've always complimented RAMI on his playing because he's great ..... but that speed thing greg does ...... that's not something you can just do.


in other news ...... finally got a RAH pedal ...... man, I opened it up and the solder joints were the absolute worst I've ever seen in a commercial product .... extremely powdery, flat-grey cold solder joints ..... horrible.
And it doesn't seem to work right so I'ma calling them up tomorrow.
 
Lt. Bob said:
Catlinbread RAH (Royal Albert Hall ) pedal ..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRuvHHEKvw8
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Sweet Fancy Moses! That sounds great. If I had my eyes closed, I would have thought that was "What is......" right off the album.

What's with the Royal Albert show? That's pretty specific. I've never heard of anyone trying to achieve a sound from a particular show so much that they'd make a pedal about it. Like, you'd think if this was a "thing", there'd be the "Hendrix in the West Pedal" and a "Blackmore Made in Japan",etc.....Must have been quite a night.
 
Lt. Bob said:
though there's Marshall stack in the background, the amp being used is a Fender set 'clean'.

I've been wanting one for quite a while.
I hopes mine is an aberration.
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Do you know these guys, or did you order it after seeing the video? Because maybe they ARE using those Marshalls and in fact, the guy from Loudness playing the Les Paul isn't even plugged in, we're listening to the record, and this RAH doesn't even exist.

...or not. :D
 
lol ..... could be ...... I mean, it really does sound just like it in that vid.
I've wanted one because I think it's an awesome 'crunch' sound .... that specific purpose. Not really to sound like Page but to have a great 'crunch'.

Along with the pedal came a Herco pick .... it actually says in the on-line manual that the herco pick was an integral part of Page's sound ...... damned if it doesn't get it closer than without the pick.

My pedal seems to be working after further appraisal .... still crappy solder joints though.
 
Lol. Thanks guys. I wasn't fishing for compliments, but I do appreciate it anyway.

Cool RAH pedal Boob. I've never seen one in person, but I've seen the demo vids plenty times. To me, from what I've seen, it might be the most accurate "copycat" pedal out there right now. And I mean copycat as in it's trying to nail a certain sound and style, and it seems to do it well. Not copycat as if you're trying to be Page or anything. It does have that Royal Albert sound. It's pretty remarkable. I've heard good things about the new EVH overdrive too, if anyone's into the EVH sound.

I played the Custom last night for the first time at a blazing loud practice. For such a hulking Les Paul, it's really easy to play. With a wide strap the weight was not an issue at all. The neck is fast and smooth, the ebony board is like playing on glass, but the flatted speed frets took a little getting used to. I never really paid any attention to it before but I'm certainly more used to the normal frets on my other Gibsons. Johnny Thunders bends way up the neck took more feel and precision to ring out like I'm used to, but I got the hang of it. Through the 100w Plexi the pickups barked and bit with more punch than the Burstbuckers in the Goldtop, but it teetered on being too bright through the same general settings I'd use on the Goldtop. I never use the same settings anyway from day to day, so it's no big deal. There is definitely a nice vintage quack in the high mids of these T-Tops that works well in a live band situation. The guitar feels very hard in a good way. I don't know what it is, maybe the age? The wood is very hard and very solid. The body, the neck, it's all very dense and hard. I don't know if that focuses the sound more into the pickups or whatever, but that hard feel seemed to inspire confidence and really relaxed me even playing at warp speeds. About the only thing I don't totally care for is the taper on the pots. I have to roll the volume way back on both pickups to clean them up. That's actually pretty normal for some Gibsons, but I prefer the quick log taper on my Goldtop. Maybe I'll swap in some new pots one of these days. There is a tiny bit of bleed from the neck pickup with it's vol rolled all the way off. I'm gonna wanna fix that.

What else? Uh, yeah I did a new for me old trick with the Plexi last night. Instead of jumping the channels, I used a Y-cable ala Hendrix. Some people say it's a cleaner blend and more transparent, and goddamn I think they might be right...or it's all in my head. I thought it was a better sound than jumpping the channels, which is also good in it's own right.

 
I'm assuming you guys have seen these before......
 

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I have. I don't pretend to know Jimi's specs or settings, but I know he wasn't using amps with a "pre amp" knob and I'm pretty sure he wasn't using cabs with Lansing speakers.
 
RAMI said:
It really does. I can't remember ever hearing something so close to the record. How much is that pedal?
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$189 ..... I had a 20% off coupon so I got it for $151 .... that's what made me pull the trigger .... I've been wanting one for a while.


Greg_L said:
. For such a hulking Les Paul, it's really easy to play. With a wide strap the weight was not an issue at all.
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yeah ..... I've never gotten the weight thing really ..... a 'light' guitar might weigh 7lbs and a 9lb guitar is 'heavy' ..... good lord , it's 2lbs ..... or maybe 3lbs if it's a really heavy git. 3lbs? .... how is that all of a sudden breaking my back? Lift a few weights!

Greg_L said:
What else? Uh, yeah I did a new for me old trick with the Plexi last night. Instead of jumping the channels, I used a Y-cable ala Hendrix. Some people say it's a cleaner blend and more transparent, and goddamn I think they might be right...or it's all in my head. I thought it was a better sound than jumpping the channels, which is also good in it's own right.
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that could well be .... isn't there usually a resistor between the two jacks. If so then that's eliminated when you use a 'Y' .... I can totally see it sounding different.
 
Greg_L said:
I have. I don't pretend to know Jimi's specs or settings, but I know he wasn't using amps with a "pre amp" knob and I'm pretty sure he wasn't using cabs with Lansing speakers.
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when he had the choice ..... I saw him in Baton Rouge when he was on the Monkees tour ... (that only lasted a few gigs but I saw it.) I don't remember what he used there but when he played Independence Hall they provided him with a backline of Sunn amps.
he complained about them all night long!
 
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