The New Tone Thread

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Greg_L said:
Dude, you have lost your freaking mind with all that mess. :D
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Nah, just something to pass the time man, & I actually enjoy it because I'm learning how to use the graphic shit...I tried to have an amp from each era/model, I'm probably done with the overlays, & will probably just button it up before too much longer...
 
minerman said:
Shan: I like the 1st clip better than all of 'em in this go-round, the others seem too mushy to me, but you might use a clean boost to tighten it up, just sayin'....First clip would be a really good rhythm tone for a song IMO dude....

And since I'm here, I did that Orange layout for you dude, I couldn't remember which model you have (AD30???), but it serves the purpose....If/when I ever get done fuckin' around with it, I'll send you (or anyone else for that matter) a copy of the theme if you want...
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Miner that's awesome man!!!! FOR ME YOU SHOULDN'T HAVE?! haha. And yes it is the AD30. I was considering renting the Rockerverb 50 Actually but i ended up going the Traynor Route. I'd gladly take a copy of your theme when it's ready. Just say the word. It would be fun to see how it functions for sure.

Yes after i posted those i kept tinkering and i think that the Clean Setting / Fixed Bias is going to offer far more headroom to season tones for my liking and it's trial run 'out of the box' so to speak tone is pretty dam close to how i like things anyways. Kind of a fun little rig to explore.
 
Greg_L said:
Oh man, those Rockerverbs are bad ass.
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Yessir they are. They also have the 100W Rockerverb but it was already out for like two months or something like that? I like this rental program. Chances are i will definitely rent the 50 and one of their Marshalls for an little thing i am working on.
 
Ok some more tinkering with that little Traynor. I switched a few things up. Different Guitar. I think i got the tubes cooking on this one. I can really smell some rock and roll tube smell. Not sure if thats good or bad.

Sparrow Rat Rod Boss (New Strings some intonation issues) > Kent Armstrong Humbucker Bridge Position

Amp is set to that Clean Setting Fixed Bias Orange 412 V30's, SM57 positioned probably 90% over the cone 10% over dust cap, right on the grill.

Gain to 7
bass bumped a bit past five
treble bumped a hair below five
master up to 6. I tried to push it to 8 but it started to get gross even if i dialed back the gain it just was .. gross)

Here is a clip

I butchered the riff. If anything it'll be good for a laugh when you hear it. Rep for who ever guesses it. But for this exercise it comes closest to how i will probably be using this guitar with this amp. Grimey rhythm track.

I could probably put the bass back to five i reckon. But i'll await the reviews. My feelings won't be hurt RE: the playing end of things. HAHA
 
cakewalkKaKed said:
^ king of the hill :D


love the tone btw :)
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Thanks you man. Good Guess but thats not it.

Lt. Bob said:
sounds great man!
Makes me want one of them Traynors
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Thanks LT. Bob. You mentioned a few posts back you know of these Traynor creatures? Have they been around a while? They are a newerish to me thing. I have seen them in Canadas version of Guitar Centre Chain for a handful of years now and all i know is that they are a sub, um, division/company/product something or other of Yorkville Canada. My bass cabinet is a Traynor 2X10. It is ok for jamming but I don't think i have fired it up in a year or more. I am seeing more of there newer Traynor tube stuff a lot more around my local scene. They have this 50Watt Jobbie in stock here that can really hum. And also this little fellow seems to have all the boys a twitter. No real bad press on them really. I am having fun with this little thing honestly. Don't think my house will be it's forever home though haha.
 
ShanPeyton said:
Thanks LT. Bob. You mentioned a few posts back you know of these Traynor creatures? Have they been around a while? .
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oh yeah ...... I used to see them back in the early 70's all the way down in Louisiana. Several local hot shot players used them and raved about them. But eventually they weren't cool enough so they moved to other amps.
They also made a great solid state amp back at a time when solid state sounded like solid shit ..... I gigged one for 5 or 6 years. It was actually amazing but too heavy to deal with and I was young then!
 
Yeah, when I was in my first garage band in the early 70's the bass player had a Traynor tube head, and I'm pretty sure we had a Traynor PA. But like the Lt. said, they weren't considered cool, so they got ditched pretty soon.
 
I'll be in the studio later so I'll check out the samples then. But traynor made a bit of a comeback about 15 years ago with the YCV40. They were a versatile workhorse tube amp that were affordable and sounded good. I had the bigger brother, the 80-watt beast YCV80. Paired with an attenuator, it was a very good amp. Great long-spring Reverb tank on those fellas.
 
ShanPeyton said:
Ok some more tinkering with that little Traynor. I switched a few things up. Different Guitar. I think i got the tubes cooking on this one. I can really smell some rock and roll tube smell. Not sure if thats good or bad.

Sparrow Rat Rod Boss (New Strings some intonation issues) > Kent Armstrong Humbucker Bridge Position

Amp is set to that Clean Setting Fixed Bias Orange 412 V30's, SM57 positioned probably 90% over the cone 10% over dust cap, right on the grill.

Gain to 7
bass bumped a bit past five
treble bumped a hair below five
master up to 6. I tried to push it to 8 but it started to get gross even if i dialed back the gain it just was .. gross)

Here is a clip

I butchered the riff. If anything it'll be good for a laugh when you hear it. Rep for who ever guesses it. But for this exercise it comes closest to how i will probably be using this guitar with this amp. Grimey rhythm track.

I could probably put the bass back to five i reckon. But i'll await the reviews. My feelings won't be hurt RE: the playing end of things. HAHA
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I think it's pretty good. A little scratchy, but not bad. Nice raw sound.

I have no idea what the riff is.
 
ShanPeyton said:
Ok some more tinkering with that little Traynor. I switched a few things up. Different Guitar. I think i got the tubes cooking on this one. I can really smell some rock and roll tube smell. Not sure if thats good or bad.

Sparrow Rat Rod Boss (New Strings some intonation issues) > Kent Armstrong Humbucker Bridge Position

Amp is set to that Clean Setting Fixed Bias Orange 412 V30's, SM57 positioned probably 90% over the cone 10% over dust cap, right on the grill.

Gain to 7
bass bumped a bit past five
treble bumped a hair below five
master up to 6. I tried to push it to 8 but it started to get gross even if i dialed back the gain it just was .. gross)

Here is a clip

I butchered the riff. If anything it'll be good for a laugh when you hear it. Rep for who ever guesses it. But for this exercise it comes closest to how i will probably be using this guitar with this amp. Grimey rhythm track.

I could probably put the bass back to five i reckon. But i'll await the reviews. My feelings won't be hurt RE: the playing end of things. HAHA
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I think the tone sounds great, although it's a little too much gain for my tastes on a strummy chord riff. Sounds like it's got a good crunch to it, and it sounds tight when you mute the strings or cut off abruptly. Sounds like a really cool little amp.

Something sounds off though, and I don't think it's the amp. The clip sounds oddly distant or there's some comb filtering or something going on. Listening on consumer 5.1 speakers, so it could be something weird on my end. But it sounds like the mic is far away from the speaker (although your comments indicate it was actually right up on the grill).

I don't recognize the riff either.
 
Husker Du's 'In a Free Land'

Thanks guys. I can hear that little bit of grit today. After a break and some time away from it i hear it. I can dial back that gain a little bit for sure. I kind of do like it though now more than i did the other day. Probably from hours of listening to it i assume.

@Tadpui: No filters on it or anything. it's pretty much as is. I totally get that distant comment. It could just be this cabinet. (Orange 4x12) I noticed it on this tone and when i recorded with the AD30. My mic is right on the cloth so i dunno? I even went so far as to put up some of my classy home made gobo's to keep the sound contained. the room the cab is in is LOOOOONNNGGGG, and there is nothing in it. NO treatment no nothing. So i trhew those up about 5 6 feet away from the cab. I thought doing that might cut down on some of that 'backed off' sonic quality. But i guess not. It isn't cavernous, but i can hear it.

But to be honest, i always can pick up that little distant tone on an Orange guitar track if they aren't using really high gain. I guess thats the best word to describe what i hear when i hear it. Like i can listen to some of the band i like and instantly know they have something Orange in their signal chain. It could be why i see alot of bands using an Orange Head with a Marshall Cab. It's a lot more common than it is not. My guess is to probably lose that sound.

I could be wrong. Just my own lunatic observation.
 
I don't think it's just the cab. I find Vintage 30s can do that "distant" thing if you're not clean clean or dripping with gain. It's not a bad thing though. To me it's a predictable smoothness that's really good for rhythm or lead work. It also makes miking them easier. When I first got my hands on some V30s I thought they were a bitch. Then they broke in and holy shit they're bad ass.

That thick ass patio furniture wicker weave on the front of Orange cabs do probably cut some of the high end though. That can also smooth the sound and make it seem a little "darker". And Orange amps are low mid heavy anyway. It's all a recipe for darker sounds which can seem more distant.

I mean, if you know you're close miking, what else could it be? It has to be just the sum of the parts.
 
Greg_L said:
I don't think it's just the cab. I find Vintage 30s can do that "distant" thing if you're not clean clean or dripping with gain. It's not a bad thing though. To me it's a predictable smoothness that's really good for rhythm or lead work. It also makes miking them easier. When I first got my hands on some V30s I thought they were a bitch. Then they broke in and holy shit they're bad ass.

That thick ass patio furniture wicker weave on the front of Orange cabs do probably cut some of the high end though. That can also smooth the sound and make it seem a little "darker". And Orange amps are low mid heavy anyway. It's all a recipe for darker sounds which can seem more distant.

I mean, if you know you're close miking, what else could it be? It has to be just the sum of the parts.
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I hadn't considered that at all. It stands to reason though. This cab isn't all that old it may need a few more miles to really work those speakers in. The journey is fun as shit though !!!
 
ShanPeyton said:
I hadn't considered that at all. It stands to reason though. This cab isn't all that old it may need a few more miles to really work those speakers in. The journey is fun as shit though !!!
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It takes several hours at a pretty decent volume level to break them in right.
 
I like that tone Shan, it's got plenty of gain with good definition IMO dude...Maybe a little more low-end might chunk it up a tad, but it's still pretty good...

On the V30 thing, man I take spells where I hate 'em, then, I'll stick a mic on one of 'em & it just surprises the fuck out of me because it seems to just "happen" without fussing with the mic very much....Dunno, maybe it's me, but I've got a love/hate thing for V30's, but they are a little easier to get the mic where it needs to be than some speakers IMO...

The Gerg's right about the grillcloth on Orange cabs, I've got a 1x12 & it does cut the high end a little...

I've been meaning to post some toans up, but life's kickin' ass over here & I've been trying to kick back the last little while....:facepalm:
 
Thanks guys. I think i am going to turn the gain down a smidge and bump the low end a bit or even try to mic the bottom speaker just to see what that does to the tone. If i recall my inital tests in that room / cab set up the bottom speakers seemed chunkier. I am pretty happy with what i got there minus a lil bitta gain, so maybe just moving the mic to the bottom left speaker might be just the thing it needs to fill out?

If i had access to a Marshall cab or other 'lightly gilled' cab with V30's in it id love to do an A/B test on the difference it makes. That would be cool.

That's a bummer to hear Miner. Hang in there man. I totally get the music on hold for life thing. I seem to ebb and flow in waves myself, you aren't alone there. Hope it's nothing to terrible.
 
I'm thinking of posting a selection of tones where I vary only the material of my fingerboard construction. What do you guys think wood [sic] be the best way to go about this?
 
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