The New Tone Thread

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Hey ray, thanks for the listen.... it was time to move on. The Jongleurs were dead as a recording/gigging outfit before I even got that CD out due to Richard's growing family. Ce la vie. I've got about 4 songs in various stages of development at the moment - they don't sound anything like that clip - more "angular" cleaner guitars... I'm trying not to play chords and riffs as such, just intriguing meshing parts a la Television, if anyone, but not quite, either. I told Mr Clean the other day it was Television meets Steven Wilson meets Hold Steady... :laughings: Not sure that's quite right either...

Singing's what's stopping me completing anything... I haven't sung for so long that every time I try I give up in horror. My hands are pretty fucked at the moment with an RSI sort of thing going on, and I really shouldn't be playing at all, but there are some heavier/harder bits on some of these tunes that I'm going to have to deal with, so I thought now would be a good time to learn the gentle art of heavier geetar... :eek:

And if I'm not playing because of the hands, I'm going to have to confront the singing thing, I guess ... so I have an objective to get something up in the Clinic this month... I'll look forward to your thoughts.;)

Be interested to hear what other people have to say on that clip above... as I listen now, one of the tracks is sounding a bit fizzy to me up high, but I like the other one.

Oh, and I didn't really take up acoustic guitar seriously until later in life... I was always the "lead" guitarist in the various bands I played in... had Richard not come along, quite accidentally, when he did, I may have got here earlier, but then I wouldn't have known what I know, or played what I play - it all fits together... and I've always like heavier / harder music to listen to.:D
 
I like that Armi. I always hear the tune first, tone second. I'm sure there's tons can be done but it's a great start.
 
minerman said:
:) Am I right thinking you can use that like a pc/computer editor to save your own presets though??? ..
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I don't think so ...... I think the tone print puts in different algorithms and essentially make it like a different pedal. They had the ability to do deep editing and so someone will come in and say, "I like the delay but I want it to be more trebly with longer trails and etc. Then you can download that into your pedal making it a different sounding pedal but you still have to tweak the knobs on it to set it for actual use.
 
Armistice said:
OK dudes.... first tentative steps of mine to recording heavier guitar tones...
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I'm liking it quite a bit ..... the playing's very nice and precise even though that's not what this thread is about.
Tone-wise ...... I do find it a little dark but only a little. The bottom end is nice and clean and not woofy at all to my early morning ears.
I'd maybe add just a little top end to make it 'sparkle' a bit but I wouldn't remove any of the bottom ...... just add a slight bit on top.

Nice mang!
 
I agree with boob. The low end is very robust in the guitars and they sound a little dark, but it's really not that bad. The guitars are dark, but not woofy. Just fat. Maybe a little too fat. No too bad though.
 
Armistice, those guitars sound pretty heavy without being too full of low end. Dark tone.
 
Schwarzenyaeger said:


I had another go with the Tiny Terror, this time in a different room with a different setup.

Tone is at about 2 o'clock and the gain at 1 with the volume around 12.

Some 400 pound guitar with humbuckers on the neck pickup -> Neve 8801 -> TT with 1x12 Orange cab -> Electrovoice RE 20

The room was a bit reverby and I gobo'd the cab pretty hard to try and contain it.
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I think the base tone is good but I'm not crazy about all that room-ish sound.
 
Thanks for pitching in, everybody.

I'm going back today and I'm going to do my best to fight the reverb. It really dulls out the tone as well, if you ask me.
I also stated something incorrectly: I was using a C414, not an RE20 on that take.
 
Armistice said:
... I'm working on solo stuff now and have put the acoustics back in the cupboard.
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There goes the neighborhood...Armistice let his hair down. :p


The guitars sound real good.
I always like darker tones over the light/bright stuff. You just have to watch how they lay into the mix...sometimes the darkness can overcome the rest if there is a lot of stuff going on, so then you just roll back the guitar lows a touch and nudge the mids up a bit (rather than the highs) and it can clarify but still stay dark.

Rock on! :cool:
 
Yup I agree with the slav. I'd suggest you shelve the lows though if they become a problem. At least try the shelf first. A shelf will let your lows stay there, they'll just be more subdued without killing them off entirely. Rolling them all the way off can be too heavy handed and you gotta find the just right spot to dump them off.

Like this....shelf on the left, roll off on the right. EQ.webp
 
Cool, thanks guys... I thought it sounded OK for something I just dialled in without too much thought - glad to see I'm at least in the ballpark. I always have mix trouble with EQ in my room, so it doesn't surprise me it's a bit darker than it could be. I'll take the advice and nudge a few things around, and apply the learnings to a real tune in the future...

Or maybe I should turn that little riff into something. Sort of just made it up to have something to record, and thought it sounded like a million other things, but I did like the break down bit... :D

Thanks for the advice oh Tone Sages ... :thumbs up:
 
Armis: Sounds pretty good man, but I'd like a little more high end myself, but it's still pretty good...
 
Since there's been a few tones with low-watt amps, I thought I'd give my Tweaker a little workout today, as I haven't fired it up in a while, I have to say, I'm impressed with this little thing through my 4x12, of course it doesn't have the massive volume my big amps do, but for what it is, it's pretty damn good...It's pretty much been a doorstop since I got the DSL/Chupacabra, & I really haven't fucked with it much at all through the 4x12, but again, I'm impressed with it...

I personally don't care for it's overdriven tones on their own though, it's pretty flabby sounding with the gain up on the "hot" setting, not as bad on the "clean" setting, but a clean boost (SD-1) takes care of that...


Same di on all 3 clips, the only thing that's different is I switched the tonestack on 'em...

Single '57 mic on center about an inch from the grill, where the cap meets the cone, maybe just a hair toward the edge...

No eq or anything at all in the daw....

Signal chain:

LP > SD-1 > T15 > G12-65 > '57

SD-1:
Level: 10
Tone: 4-5
Gain: 0

T15:
Vintage
Master: 6-7
Treble: 10
Mids: 5
Bass: 8
Clean
Gain: 10
Bright
Deep

Brit Tonestack

USA Tonestack

AC Tonestack

There's really not a lot of difference that's drastic in these clips other than the low-mids are a little different in each one...Lemme know what you guys think...
 
minerman said:
Since there's been a few tones with low-watt amps, I thought I'd give my Tweaker a little workout today, as I haven't fired it up in a while, I have to say, I'm impressed with this little thing through my 4x12, of course it doesn't have the massive volume my big amps do, but for what it is, it's pretty damn good...It's pretty much been a doorstop since I got the DSL/Chupacabra, & I really haven't fucked with it much at all through the 4x12, but again, I'm impressed with it...

I personally don't care for it's overdriven tones on their own though, it's pretty flabby sounding with the gain up on the "hot" setting, not as bad on the "clean" setting, but a clean boost (SD-1) takes care of that...


Same di on all 3 clips, the only thing that's different is I switched the tonestack on 'em...

Single '57 mic on center about an inch from the grill, where the cap meets the cone, maybe just a hair toward the edge...

No eq or anything at all in the daw....

Signal chain:

LP > SD-1 > T15 > G12-65 > '57

SD-1:
Level: 10
Tone: 4-5
Gain: 0

T15:
Vintage
Master: 6-7
Treble: 10
Mids: 5
Bass: 8
Clean
Gain: 10
Bright
Deep

Brit Tonestack

USA Tonestack

AC Tonestack

There's really not a lot of difference that's drastic in these clips other than the low-mids are a little different in each one...Lemme know what you guys think...
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I think they're all pretty good, but you know what I hear? The SD-1. Having one myself, I can hear it's fingerprint over the tone on all of those clips. That's not a bad thing, but I can hear that sound.
 
My Peavey is finally fucked. Making that farty dead valve noise even on the clean channel. Previously it was only the dirty channel and the clean channel with a pedal was ok. Now its doing it on the clean channel with a pedal. It sounds a bit like someone had left a snare drum next to the amp... I don't own a snare drum.

A mate of mine has leant me fender power chorus in the mean time. Will post a tone if I get something representative with my mic. Sounded shit last time I tried it though.
 
minerman said:
Brit Tonestack

USA Tonestack

AC Tonestack

There's really not a lot of difference that's drastic in these clips other than the low-mids are a little different in each one...Lemme know what you guys think...
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I like the brit best ..... did NOT like the USA stack ...... the AC sounded a lot like the brit but maybe slightly fatter.

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JDOD said:
My Peavey is finally fucked. Making that farty dead valve noise even on the clean channel. Previously it was only the dirty channel and the clean channel with a pedal was ok. Now its doing it on the clean channel with a pedal. It sounds a bit like someone had left a snare drum next to the amp... I don't own a snare drum.

A mate of mine has leant me fender power chorus in the mean time. Will post a tone if I get something representative with my mic. Sounded shit last time I tried it though.
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bad tubes maybe?
 
Thanks guys, to me, the Tweaker does older, more vintage-y stuff pretty good, but it's overdrive on it's own gets pretty flabby sounding, which I honestly don't care much for, that's the whole reason I used the boost with it, to tighten it up...

While it's a decent little amp, it still isn't even in the same league as my Chupa or DSL...

JDOD: Do you have any extra tubes you could try in your Peavey??? Might just be your tubes are shot...
 
Lol. That's the worrying thing. It's a solid state amp but it's making a bad tube noise.
 
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