The New Tone Thread

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BTW jonny, the JVM is not complicated at all. Yeah it's got a shit ton of ugly knobs, but it's just groups. Each group of knobs is like one amp. It's really very simple. Much more simple than other multi channel amps like the Mesa Mark V and Roadsters.

Yeah, I figured it wouldn't be _that_ complicated really. Actually, the way I record, a multichannel amp like that might be useful. I always record songs in sections, so need to switch back and forth between guitar sounds as I do the left and right channel, then move onto the next bit.
 
Greg never said that. The Satriani Crunch Red is better. The rest of the amp is worse IMO. The Satriani's two OD channels are the same thing. WTF? Stupid. The clean channel is designed after the 6100 clean channel. No reverbs. Noise gates instead. It's a big ol yawner as far as I'm concerned.

Sorry dude, I must've got it backwards...I remember me posting the video of that dumb-fuck Tony guy playing through one though & you blasted the fuck outta that guy...:laughings:.....I do remember you telling me one of the JVM's would be a good match for me/my playing, but honestly can't remember which one...lol...This thread is goin' on 500 pages & my memory, hearing, eyesight are all goin' downhill...lol

Been re-amping some guitar parts I recorded last night, I'll post up a couple short clips in a few minutes...:)
 
Sorry dude, I must've got it backwards...I remember me posting the video of that dumb-fuck Tony guy playing through one though & you blasted the fuck outta that guy...:laughings:.....I do remember you telling me one of the JVM's would be a good match for me/my playing, but honestly can't remember which one...lol...This thread is goin' on 500 pages & my memory, hearing, eyesight are all goin' downhill...lol

Been re-amping some guitar parts I recorded last night, I'll post up a couple short clips in a few minutes...:)

The Satch model might be better for you simply for the Crunch Red and OD channels. Crunch Red is basically your Chupacabra type sound. Actually the whole Crunch channel on the JS is really good. The rest of the amp is a let down to me. Marshall should make a single channel, three mode amp just off the JS Crunch channel. That would be sweet.
 
The Satch model might be better for you simply for the Crunch Red and OD channels. Crunch Red is basically your Chupacabra type sound. Actually the whole Crunch channel on the JS is really good. The rest of the amp is a let down to me. Marshall should make a single channel, three mode amp just off the JS Crunch channel. That would be sweet.

From what I've read/heard in the Marshall forum (a couple people who post there actually have the inside scoop...supposedly anyway... one guy does, I know this for sure, but he won't say anything because the company (Marshall) would probably rake him over the coals....lol), they're supposed to have new shit out about all year....Now, what else it's gonna be, I have no idea, maybe 2 more amps, what wattage/model/whatever, again, I have no idea....They made 3 different sub-forums in the Marshall Roadhouse a couple months ago, & one of 'em became the new Jubilee re-issue...

From other shit I've heard/read in both those forums, Marshall is partners with Softube again, so don't be suprised if they come out with another JMD-type amp, a modeler...Which might be cool for some people, maybe even me....I've read good things about the JMD amps, but they discontinued 'em before everybody caught onto 'em....I've read/heard the JMD amps have everything pretty much "right/down" except a plexi/super lead-style sound, which baffles me, because that's basically what put 'em on the map...

I dunno what they've got up their sleeve, but if they don't get their heads outta their asses, they're toast as far as a "big" amp contender for "today"....Sure, they made history with their old amps (JCM, JMP, etc), but again, if they don't get their heads outta their asses, it's over....might be anyway...
 
BTW jonny, the JVM is not complicated at all. Yeah it's got a shit ton of ugly knobs, but it's just groups. Each group of knobs is like one amp. It's really very simple. Much more simple than other multi channel amps like the Mesa Mark V and Roadsters.
No way.
That's exactly like the Mark V is set up .... haven't used a Roadster but I imagine it is too.

Pretty much all multi channel amps are like that ..... several different preamps in a single chassis .... each group with its own set of knobs.

I have the 6101 which is a 3 channel Marshall and it has just about as many features as my Mark V.
Yeah, the V also has a few extra EQ options but it simply amounts to a switch on each channel to choose whether you want the graphic, scooped mid or no extra EQ.

Personally, i don't see how anyone could be confused by multichannel amps because, as you said, they're just like several amps boxed together .... each with its own set of controls.
The Mark V is butt-simple to operate.
 
Some of you might remember I built a plexi clone not that long ago. Slightly less long ago, my 2 year old son came barrelling into my office/studio and the door swung wide open and hit said plexi clone (where I had sensibly balanced it on top of a couple of other amps) and it fell on the floor. It landed on one of the power tubes and, it seems, one of the big electrolytic capacitors on the underside on its way down. I finally got around to seeing how broken it was today and it turned out to be hardly broken at all - all I needed to do was tighten the bolts on the power transformer housing to stop it from buzzing.

So, here's a clip of me dicking around with a bit of rhythm playing with no click.



Les Paul -> AmpMaker P1800 Plexi Clone -> G12H30 (in 2x12 in homemade isobox) -> SM57 around the edge of the dustcap -> Roland Quad Capture -> Reaper

There's no eq or anything added.

The amp is set to full power 18W, on the PP+ setting (this is push-pull, using two power tubes - the plus signifies a tighter low end - it's a bit less raucous than the straight PP setting), bass bypass switch engaged (so the bass is set to a default level, as per the P1800's predecessor's circuit), treble on 5, volume on 2.

I can tell the iso box is always going to affect the tone - cleans are especially rubbish. Maybe mic placement or a different mic might help. It really sounds very different to in the room, although I can't blast at 18W in here (especially now, with the child asleep upstairs).
 
To me, that sounds pretty damn good Jonny....well done!!!!

Yeah dude, I feel your pain on the ISO cab, maybe get the little woman to take the baby out to see relatives for an hour or two, & let the amp rip...Honestly, the home-made ISO I had was great, the Randall (which I paid like $300 for...) is utter shit...It's ok for late-night/silent playing/recording, but the recorded tones are shit man, plain & simple...Don't ever waste your $$$ on a Randall ISO cab, maybe other people can get it to sound good, but I'm not one of 'em...


The only thing I'd try different on your clip is maybe add some more low-end/bass to it man, it needs just a little chunk, but really, in a mix, you'd be cutting some of that out anyway (to leave the bass' space), so you might overlook me today....lol...

I've been recording since about 10:30 this morning (guitars & bass), so I'm gonna render a couple toans & take a break...

Be right back...
 
Ok, here's a couple tones from a song I've been working on today, just the rhythm guitars solo'd....

LP di > re-amp box (+12db) > Chupa > G12-65 > '57

Chupacabra:
Resonance: 3
Presence: 5
Bass: 7-8
Mid: 6
Treble: 10
Volume: 7
Gain 2: 2
Gain 1: 6
Era: 80's
Bright 2: L
Bright 1: C
Focus: Off

Chupa 2-13


LP di > re-amp box (+12db) > Bogner Red > DSL100 > Greenback > '57

Bogner Red:
Volume: 6-7
Treble: 6-7
Mid: 5
Bass: 2-3
Gain: 5
Variac: On
Mode: Tight
Pre-Eq: N
Structure: 101

DSL100:
100w mode
Green clean
Resonance: 2
Presence: 3
Bass: 4
Mid: 6
Treble: 7
Volume: 4
Gain: 8

DSL 2-13

Nothing special, just a couple of my dirty wanna-be rock-n-roll toans....
 
From what I've read/heard in the Marshall forum (a couple people who post there actually have the inside scoop...supposedly anyway... one guy does, I know this for sure, but he won't say anything because the company (Marshall) would probably rake him over the coals....lol), they're supposed to have new shit out about all year....Now, what else it's gonna be, I have no idea, maybe 2 more amps, what wattage/model/whatever, again, I have no idea....They made 3 different sub-forums in the Marshall Roadhouse a couple months ago, & one of 'em became the new Jubilee re-issue...

From other shit I've heard/read in both those forums, Marshall is partners with Softube again, so don't be suprised if they come out with another JMD-type amp, a modeler...Which might be cool for some people, maybe even me....I've read good things about the JMD amps, but they discontinued 'em before everybody caught onto 'em....I've read/heard the JMD amps have everything pretty much "right/down" except a plexi/super lead-style sound, which baffles me, because that's basically what put 'em on the map...

I dunno what they've got up their sleeve, but if they don't get their heads outta their asses, they're toast as far as a "big" amp contender for "today"....Sure, they made history with their old amps (JCM, JMP, etc), but again, if they don't get their heads outta their asses, it's over....might be anyway...
I have no faith that Marshall will do anything that would make me want to buy something new from them. The JMD is just a stupid modeling amp that people are damn near giving away used. The only thing Marshall can do is reissue the classics. Dear Marshall, you idiot fucking limeys, stop making lame sig stuff, stop making refrigerators, stop making toy amps with custom tolex, start making the killer amps that made you what you are.

No way.
That's exactly like the Mark V is set up .... haven't used a Roadster but I imagine it is too.
The Mark V is butt-simple to operate.
It is once you've messed with it, but it's not logical or intuitive at first glance. It's layout is weird. All those mini toggles and mini knobs with weird labels like "bold". Lol. Have you ever looked at the back of some of the other higher end Mesa amps? They're more complicated than the front. Check out the back of a Road King head. Google it. That shit is fucking insane.

Some of you might remember I built a plexi clone not that long ago. Slightly less long ago, my 2 year old son came barrelling into my office/studio and the door swung wide open and hit said plexi clone (where I had sensibly balanced it on top of a couple of other amps) and it fell on the floor. It landed on one of the power tubes and, it seems, one of the big electrolytic capacitors on the underside on its way down. I finally got around to seeing how broken it was today and it turned out to be hardly broken at all - all I needed to do was tighten the bolts on the power transformer housing to stop it from buzzing.

So, here's a clip of me dicking around with a bit of rhythm playing with no click.



Les Paul -> AmpMaker P1800 Plexi Clone -> G12H30 (in 2x12 in homemade isobox) -> SM57 around the edge of the dustcap -> Roland Quad Capture -> Reaper

There's no eq or anything added.

The amp is set to full power 18W, on the PP+ setting (this is push-pull, using two power tubes - the plus signifies a tighter low end - it's a bit less raucous than the straight PP setting), bass bypass switch engaged (so the bass is set to a default level, as per the P1800's predecessor's circuit), treble on 5, volume on 2.

I can tell the iso box is always going to affect the tone - cleans are especially rubbish. Maybe mic placement or a different mic might help. It really sounds very different to in the room, although I can't blast at 18W in here (especially now, with the child asleep upstairs).

I think that sounds pretty awesome. Well done. Nice vintagey crunch, tight low end, I love it.
 
Ok, here's a couple tones from a song I've been working on today, just the rhythm guitars solo'd....

LP di > re-amp box (+12db) > Chupa > G12-65 > '57

Chupacabra:
Resonance: 3
Presence: 5
Bass: 7-8
Mid: 6
Treble: 10
Volume: 7
Gain 2: 2
Gain 1: 6
Era: 80's
Bright 2: L
Bright 1: C
Focus: Off

Chupa 2-13


LP di > re-amp box (+12db) > Bogner Red > DSL100 > Greenback > '57

Bogner Red:
Volume: 6-7
Treble: 6-7
Mid: 5
Bass: 2-3
Gain: 5
Variac: On
Mode: Tight
Pre-Eq: N
Structure: 101

DSL100:
100w mode
Green clean
Resonance: 2
Presence: 3
Bass: 4
Mid: 6
Treble: 7
Volume: 4
Gain: 8

DSL 2-13

Nothing special, just a couple of my dirty wanna-be rock-n-roll toans....

Chupacabra wins that round. Sounded good. The Bogner pedal clip seemed really bright to me.
 
Dear Marshall, you idiot fucking limeys, stop making lame sig stuff, stop making refrigerators, stop making toy amps with custom tolex, start making the killer amps that made you what you are.
Lol...you need to go the Marshall forum & post this dude, talk about stirring some shit up......:laughings::laughings::laughings::laughings::laughings:



Yeah, the DSL clip is bright dude, I wanted it to sound completely different from the Chupa track, in the mix, it's not as bad though...I was actually going for a JCM-ish sound on that, lotsa high-end/high mids....

I might post a snippet of the song to show off my killer drumming skills....hahaha
 
Lol...you need to go the Marshall forum & post this dude, talk about stirring some shit up......:laughings::laughings::laughings::laughings::laughings:
I just think they do stupid things. They don't make anything that I'd go out and buy right now. Not one single amp....that I don't already have...and none of my amps were bought new. I just won't do it. I do think they've done a wonderful job with the reissues. They just don't have anywhere else to go. They made the perfect amps a long time ago. I'd like to see them simplify. Go back to building basic rock and roll machines. Make guitar players play again. I know that's silly coming from a hack like me, but I've learned to really appreciate the interaction between man, guitar, and amp. Back in the day, our guitar heroes didn't tap footswitches and switch channels and have separate volumes for everything. They played their fucking guitars, and those basic amps sounded the best.



Yeah, the DSL clip is bright dude, I wanted it to sound completely different from the Chupa track, in the mix, it's not as bad though...I was actually going for a JCM-ish sound on that, lotsa high-end/high mids....

I might post a snippet of the song to show off my killer drumming skills....hahaha

Lol. Post it up.
 
I just think they do stupid things. They don't make anything that I'd go out and buy right now. Not one single amp....that I don't already have...and none of my amps were bought new. I just won't do it. I do think they've done a wonderful job with the reissues. They just don't have anywhere else to go. They made the perfect amps a long time ago. I'd like to see them simplify. Go back to building basic rock and roll machines. Make guitar players play again. I know that's silly coming from a hack like me, but I've learned to really appreciate the interaction between man, guitar, and amp. Back in the day, our guitar heroes didn't tap footswitches and switch channels and have separate volumes for everything. They played their fucking guitars, and those basic amps sounded the best.
You're right dude, they really haven't did anything in years & years....Sure, the JVM is bad-ass, but to me, that amp is a combination of the JMP, JCM, DSL, & everything they have all rolled into one, but made "modern" if that makes any sense...While I did buy one of the little 1 watters (and I still use it quite a bit), that was a pure $$$ thing, which I'm sure they did very well on...

I wish they'd make a Super Lead, JMP & JCM re-issue, with the power scaling on 'em, I'd buy one, if not all of 'em if they ever did that...Probably never happen though....

Been reading up on Paul Kossoff today, what a trainwreck of a life he had, but damn he had some great sounds....





Lol. Post it up.

Gimme a few minutes, & I'll post up a clip of my superb drumming skills.....lol
 
Ok dude, here ya go....of course I had to go into the midi editor/piano roll & fix shit, but I did play these drums on my e-kit...Lemme know what ya think, you know I really value your opinion on this shit, so, again, lemme know if you guys think this e-drum thing is gonna work......

Minermaniac Whacks His E-drumbs Off
 
You're right dude, they really haven't did anything in years & years....Sure, the JVM is bad-ass, but to me, that amp is a combination of the JMP, JCM, DSL, & everything they have all rolled into one, but made "modern" if that makes any sense...While I did buy one of the little 1 watters (and I still use it quite a bit), that was a pure $$$ thing, which I'm sure they did very well on...
The JVM is supposed to be loosely based on the JCM 800. The Crunch channel is JCM-like, and everything after that is the most modded JCM 800 ever. And it does those sounds pretty well, but it's got a modern flavor to it. And that's the thing....Marshall's flagship amp is just an attempt to recreate one of their classics with modern versatility. It's a great amp, but that's the rut they're stuck in. All Marshall can do is chase their own tone at this point. The 1959 and the 2203 are the foundations of the entire Marshall world. Every Marshall sound there is comes from one of those two family trees.

I wish they'd make a Super Lead, JMP & JCM re-issue, with the power scaling on 'em, I'd buy one, if not all of 'em if they ever did that...Probably never happen though....

Fuck power scaling. Just make them affordable for every-day Joe gigging working musicians.
 
Ok dude, here ya go....of course I had to go into the midi editor/piano roll & fix shit, but I did play these drums on my e-kit...Lemme know what ya think, you know I really value your opinion on this shit, so, again, lemme know if you guys think this e-drum thing is gonna work......

Minermaniac Whacks His E-drumbs Off

Straight out of the gate, that was pretty cool. You could almost make me a convert.
 
Lol. Fuck yeah. That's some glorious buttrock! Good job on the drums. They're played just about perfect for that style. Some of those fills are pretty nice. So how much editing did it take? :D
 
The JVM is supposed to be loosely based on the JCM 800. The Crunch channel is JCM-like, and everything after that is the most modded JCM 800 ever. And it does those sounds pretty well, but it's got a modern flavor to it. And that's the thing....Marshall's flagship amp is just an attempt to recreate one of their classics with modern versatility. It's a great amp, but that's the rut they're stuck in. All Marshall can do is chase their own tone at this point. The 1959 and the 2203 are the foundations of the entire Marshall world. Every Marshall sound there is comes from one of those two family trees.
I remember you telling me your JVM is kinda like an 800, to a point, but it's more of a modern, hi-fi 800, right??? I'd still love to have one though...



Fuck power scaling. Just make them affordable for every-day Joe gigging working musicians.

I have to disagree with ya on that one dude, while I love the way my amps sound when they're loud & pushing the power tubes, they're fuckin' deafening to be around...lol...It'd be cool to have a JCM800 or Super Lead that could get the cranked up tone without blowing the windows out of the house....I suppose an attenuator would be a logical thing for this, but, there's a lot more going on with "that" sound than just the power tubes...speaker breakup, all the air being pushed, etc...Just guessing, the 2 amps I have right now are probably all I'll ever really need for any situation, whether it be recording, gigging, or whatever...I've just become a gear junkie, & want more....:laughings:.





Thanks man!!!! On the drums dude, I ain't gonna lie, I did it in "sections"....I played with the song a few times getting used to it, then I'd record the basic beat, all the way through...then, I'd overdub fills (that I could play anyway) here/there, & fix the timing where it needed it...

Just guessing, I played about 75-80% of those drums...the rest are edited to hell (my playing is pretty sloppy at times...but, I've said this before, I ain't no drummer), & a couple of those nice, cool, slick, pro-sounding fills are actually midi fills from my Toontrack stuff...But again, I ain't no drummer, so I gotta do what I gotta do....I'll get better at it, I already have in just the past 2-3 weeks, but until then, this is how I gotta roll with it....

I'd never in my life played anything to a click track up until about 2-3 weeks ago, not even a guitar or bass track, I'd always played to the midi loops I have...It's very different playing to a click for me, but I'll get it eventually....You never know, I may even wind up getting a real kit someday....

So, what do you think about the drum sounds themselves, apart from the spectacular playing over here?????:laughings:
 
Thanks for the compliments on my drummbing guys...lol...I told you all I think this little set-up is gonna work for me, what used to take me a week or more, this drum track took me probably 4-5 hours total....Of course, I'm not working right now, so I've got plenty of spare time, but again, I'm pretty fuckin' happy with my e-kit....

Remember the clips I posted today, & the DSL was really bright??? That's it on the right side of that song....Not too bad is it???:)
 
Ok dude, here ya go....of course I had to go into the midi editor/piano roll & fix shit, but I did play these drums on my e-kit...Lemme know what ya think, you know I really value your opinion on this shit, so, again, lemme know if you guys think this e-drum thing is gonna work......

Minermaniac Whacks His E-drumbs Off
dude!

That sounds great!
:)


ugh ..... singing 4 hours when you're sick sucks.
Sore throat and phlegm kept coming up and screwing with my voice all night .... I have a fairly powerful voice and it would suddenly drop out like an amp with a power tube cutting out ..... fortunately I only have gigs everyday till Tuesday. :rolleyes:
 
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