Lt. Bob
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they're really pretty easy ...... once you get the basics you kinda have it.
minerman
Tonetard
Thanks dude, just goes to show, I've got too much shit to pick/choose from....I was using a different impulse & thought it was one of 'em you'd sent, it wasn't....I had it set up pretty much the same way (I had the ReaVerb wet slider at "0", but the track fader at -20...pretty much the same result though...)...I also tried a compressor, but I put it after the 'verb....
On the amp thing Greg, I was gonna mention there are a lot of guys in the Marshall forum that know a lot of stuff, but then I remembered that Bob is basically a tech, so there's no need for you to go there really....Good luck & keep us informed on your progress dude, you never know, might have to ask you guys something someday...
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Greg_L
Banned
Of course every scenario is unique and you do what you gotta do to get the sound you want and all that, but I'd never compress after reverb. Not drums anyway. I pretty much always do everything the same way no matter what it is - tone shaping > dynamic processing > space. That would mean EQ > compress > reverb/delay. Sometimes EQ and compression can be switched, but space always go last. Compressed reverb sounds crap unless you're just going for that sound. On big springy surf guitars it can sound cool, but for drums...no.
I've been reading the marshall forum. It's a mess. Every tech thread devolves into internet experts arguing with each other. I'm getting good info elsewhere, and it's all making more and more sense.
Here's what I'm doing:
Gonna re-wire the input jacks to factory spec. I don't know why they are the way they are, but it's not really right.
Re-install bright cap
Replacing filter caps and bias feed caps - they're in meltdown
Remove all the shenanigans done by who knows
Clean up/re-do the wiring to the first two gain stages
Clean up/re-route negative feedback wiring and speaker jack wiring
New tubes
We'll see how it goes.
minerman
Tonetard
Thanks for the tips on your workflow Greg, FWIW, I've been doing the same thing for a few years too (my own workflow thing...), but I've gotten into a rut on everything, & wanna learn/do different/do better on it all....That's why I've had so many questions about how you get your sounds, just lately, I've been aggravating you about your drums...LOL...I like to do the same: eq > comp > space/verb myself, but sometimes I do smash the fuck out of a reverb track, like you said, it just depends on the song/material too....I've been working on my drum sounds this weekend, & was about to render a couple/few mp3's for comparison...Might upload 'em here so everybody could hear 'em, & maybe gimme some feedback...FWIW, the only things I haven't changed are the toms & cymbals, I think those were pretty good, the snare & kick are totally different (different sampler/vsti), & I've changed the hi-hats too...To be honest, it's a lot of work getting this shit lined out, but it's getting there....Hopefully, before too much longer, I'll be able to record my tracks to these fuckin' drums I've been working on forever....LOL...Thanks again for the help man, you've really been a big help the last while...
On the tech thing, that's why I didn't mention the Marshall forum, there are some very tech-savy guys there, but like you said, they just wanna argue who's right/wrong, instead of actually getting somebody some help....I very rarely go into the "workbench" section, about the only reason I ever did to begin with was Dirty Steve's re-build thread, but that's over now, so....
Since I mentioned Steve, I still haven't heard anything from him, IIRC, it's been 2 weeks today he told me he was gonna try to do some recording, but I know how it is, life gets in the way sometimes....I was pretty stoked to hear that amp though, maybe eventually, dunno...
Sounds good what you're planning for the plexi dude, might wanna do a few pics for us non-techs, so if anything like that ever comes up, we'll have something to use as a refrence....Keep us informed!!!
On the tech thing, that's why I didn't mention the Marshall forum, there are some very tech-savy guys there, but like you said, they just wanna argue who's right/wrong, instead of actually getting somebody some help....I very rarely go into the "workbench" section, about the only reason I ever did to begin with was Dirty Steve's re-build thread, but that's over now, so....
Since I mentioned Steve, I still haven't heard anything from him, IIRC, it's been 2 weeks today he told me he was gonna try to do some recording, but I know how it is, life gets in the way sometimes....I was pretty stoked to hear that amp though, maybe eventually, dunno...
Sounds good what you're planning for the plexi dude, might wanna do a few pics for us non-techs, so if anything like that ever comes up, we'll have something to use as a refrence....Keep us informed!!!
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Greg_L
Banned
Well, all of my info is second hand. I haven't figured anything out on my own, but it seems to make sense. Someone gives me a suggestion, I then investigate further. I'm not keen enough to diagnose anything.
And this isn't the Plexi I'm working on. It's the 2204. This thing's been a bit of a bastard since I got it.
And this isn't the Plexi I'm working on. It's the 2204. This thing's been a bit of a bastard since I got it.
Lt. Bob
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since I haven't gotten around to fixing the Blue Angel yet I used my Mark V for a band gig last night ..... geez that's a great amp.
Even on the hi-gain channel it still had great note definition ...... you could even play chords and hear the notes ...... there was a lot of gain and yet it almost sounded clean in certain contexts ....... I was pretty gob-smacked by it.
Sure do wish I got to do more band gigs.
And I recorded last night so I may have some clips later ....... right now wifey and I are headed for Hogwarts.
Even on the hi-gain channel it still had great note definition ...... you could even play chords and hear the notes ...... there was a lot of gain and yet it almost sounded clean in certain contexts ....... I was pretty gob-smacked by it.
Sure do wish I got to do more band gigs.
And I recorded last night so I may have some clips later ....... right now wifey and I are headed for Hogwarts.
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Greg_L
Banned
minerman
Tonetard
Ok, since I haven't recorded any guitar tones in a while, I figured I'd just post a clip of the shit I've been working on....They're far from finished, but I'm making progress...I think...Gonna give the Gerg a big thanks for helping me along the way with my drum programming & sounds, who'd be better than a good drummer to ask for advice??? Anyway, lemme know what you guys think, maybe I can wrap these songs up before too much longer...
FWIW, I know there are spots where the guitars/bass are out of time with the drums, they're just scratch/guide tracks until I re-track 'em (in time with the "new" drums...), & there's probably a lot of shit I still need to fix drum-wise, but again, I'm making progress...I think.....
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The signal chain for the guitars is:
LP > DSL-1 > T-75 > '57 & C1 mics
LDO
FWIW, I know there are spots where the guitars/bass are out of time with the drums, they're just scratch/guide tracks until I re-track 'em (in time with the "new" drums...), & there's probably a lot of shit I still need to fix drum-wise, but again, I'm making progress...I think.....
.The signal chain for the guitars is:
LP > DSL-1 > T-75 > '57 & C1 mics
LDO
Lt. Bob
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nah ...... it's over at Universal. Regardless of our money we treat ourselves to season passes @ Disney if we can but this year we went for Universal 'cause it's cheaper.Is Hogwarts a euphemism for something nasty?
Yes, please post up some clips!
It's our Christmas present to ourselves because we actually use the crap out of them.
During slow seasons we go a lot .......
And I'm gonna check out the tapes to see if they were any good or not in a moment. lol@ tapes ....... it's funny how that word still gets used even though no one uses tapes.
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Greg_L
Banned
Yeah those drums sound much better. I like that snare sound. That actually sounds like a real snare. A little donky, got a little snap from the wires, nice pop. Maybe keep cycling through kick sounds though. That one isn't bad at all, but believe it or not, it sounds a little too natural. Too raw, unfinished. It's a little boxy. Look for one with just a little bit deeper punch, but don't go crazy with it.Ok, since I haven't recorded any guitar tones in a while, I figured I'd just post a clip of the shit I've been working on....They're far from finished, but I'm making progress...I think...Gonna give the Gerg a big thanks for helping me along the way with my drum programming & sounds, who'd be better than a good drummer to ask for advice??? Anyway, lemme know what you guys think, maybe I can wrap these songs up before too much longer...
FWIW, I know there are spots where the guitars/bass are out of time with the drums, they're just scratch/guide tracks until I re-track 'em (in time with the "new" drums...), & there's probably a lot of shit I still need to fix drum-wise, but again, I'm making progress...I think.....
The signal chain for the guitars is:
LP > DSL-1 > T-75 > '57 & C1 mics
LDO
Are you able to use outside samples? Like if I sent you some hi-hat hits, could you use those? Cuz those open hats are still killing me. Lol. The closed hats sound is great. You've done a nice job with dynamics and varying tip/shoulder sounding hits on the closed hats. The open hats are just too robotic. The Tssssssss is just too perfect. I've never heard real hats sound that precise and consistent with every hit. They just don't do that. If you want I can mic my hats and see what we come up with. For the record - my hi hats are fucking killer. I aint even gonna pretend to be modest about it. Lol. Paiste 2002 15" Sound Edge. Best hats on the planet. If you like Phil Rudd, John Bonham, or Alex Van Halen, you like these hi-hats.
Yeah I still say "video tape" or "tape it" all the time. I'm an 80s kid. I had stacks and stacks of VHS and cassette tapes. Even a few Betamax! We have 3 DVRs in this house. The kids are always wanting to watch something when they should be doing something else. So I'll say "just tape it". Then they're like "What? Tape it? What do you mean 'tape it'?" The only tape they know is scotch tape. Lol. By now they know what I mean, but they didn't get it for a while. They don't really know a world of rewinding and fastforwarding without instant results.
minerman
Tonetard
Thanks for listening yet again Greg, I went through most of my sounds/samples, & to me, those fit best compared to what I'm trying to achieve...I figured that snare would do it, I had a couple in "the list" that were just too "pingy" for me, that one seems to have about the right balance...On the kick, yeah, I've got a shit-load of different ones man, it'll just take me a little time to find "it"...LOL...
I could use outside samples in Kontakt, but to be honest, I have no idea how to get 'em to do the round-robin/multi-hit/velocity thing, it'd probably sound more robotic than it does now.....
.The hats on that song (on all of 'em) are 15" Paiste Giant Beat hats, that's the closest thing I've got to yours in my Toontrack stuff....My Slate or Addictive Drums probably have those exact ones, but I might have to start all over on parts of the programming....Lemme see what I can come up with in Reaper with the routing, right now, I'm using Slate's kick & snare, then Toontrack/Superior for the hats/toms/oh's....The way Jamstix "handles" the samples/sounds, I'd probably have to re-program a lot of stuff, and/or re-mix the kit (if I used a different vsti for the hats...)....Gimme a couple days & lemme see what I can come up with, it may just be I need to re-think/re-do the velocities on the open hat sounds....
FWIW, the drums are a lot better than when I first started, but, I've still got a way to go....No biggie though, like I've mentioned, I wanna make 'em sound real, that's the whole point, & if it takes me a little more time, then that's cool too, I want these songs to just blow everything I've ever done before completely away.....Thanks for taking the time again dude, & I'm sure I'll have more questions for ya.....there's your warning....
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Greg_L
Banned
Damn, Giant Beats huh? That's a great line of cymbals. It's funny though, in real life I'm not crazy about Giant Beats hats either. They're cool but but seem kind of dark and bland to me. The crashes and rides are monsters though.
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Greg_L
Banned
I think I got this 2204 figured out. Well, I shouldn't say that, I'm not even close, but I understand it better at least. People helped me, and I understand what they're saying. Things make perfect sense to me now that didn't two weeks ago. Lol. I'm excited to dig in. My biggest worry is that I do all this work and something goes bad. Like I turn it on and it makes ungodly noises or something. I'm gonna have to tap into my engine building training to deal with adversity and failure. This shit is gonna work though. It's gonna sound awesome.
I did come across a cool homemade gizmo using a light bulb that absorbs short circuits before something goes poof! Pretty cool. I'll be building one of these too.
I did come across a cool homemade gizmo using a light bulb that absorbs short circuits before something goes poof! Pretty cool. I'll be building one of these too.
minerman
Tonetard
Cool on the repair/tech stuff dude, I'm sure you'll do fine, you have the "want" & that's what it takes....Great idea about the light-bulb that pops instead of something in the amp....Keep us informed dude, that's actually pretty interesting....
On the hats/cymbals, I do have a set of hh's like yours, but they're in another vsti (2 of 'em actually), one set in Addictive Drums, & the other (not 100% sure, but almost) is in my Slate drum pack, they're called "Bohn Hats"...I did a little screwing around today before work, & the hats in AD are really dark sounding compared to most...Are yours like that??? They don't sound like it in the tracks I've heard....I think what's making my open hat sounds suck, is they're about all the same velocity...It'll take a while, but I'll see what I can do to human-ize 'em, & re-post in a day or two....All this kinda sucks, because I like the cymbals & toms from one, the kick/snare from another, & I'm looking for the best hi-hat from yet another....I've got a couple more ideas that might work too, we'll see I suppose...You wouldn't believe the drum samples I've got man, so surely I can make something out of all that shit sound better than it does now....FWIW, I think my fake drums sound 100% better now than they did just a couple/few weeks ago...LOL....
Gonna grab a shower, & something to eat...Keep us posted on the tech shit dude....Oh yeah, that's a real shit-storm of a thread about the LP re-finish, ain't it????
On the hats/cymbals, I do have a set of hh's like yours, but they're in another vsti (2 of 'em actually), one set in Addictive Drums, & the other (not 100% sure, but almost) is in my Slate drum pack, they're called "Bohn Hats"...I did a little screwing around today before work, & the hats in AD are really dark sounding compared to most...Are yours like that??? They don't sound like it in the tracks I've heard....I think what's making my open hat sounds suck, is they're about all the same velocity...It'll take a while, but I'll see what I can do to human-ize 'em, & re-post in a day or two....All this kinda sucks, because I like the cymbals & toms from one, the kick/snare from another, & I'm looking for the best hi-hat from yet another....I've got a couple more ideas that might work too, we'll see I suppose...You wouldn't believe the drum samples I've got man, so surely I can make something out of all that shit sound better than it does now....FWIW, I think my fake drums sound 100% better now than they did just a couple/few weeks ago...LOL....
Gonna grab a shower, & something to eat...Keep us posted on the tech shit dude....Oh yeah, that's a real shit-storm of a thread about the LP re-finish, ain't it????
Lt. Bob
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yeah ...... I've seen a similar protection in some Peavey speakers ..... you'll see a light flashing inside the cab when there's too much juice headed for the speaker. This one looks cool.
rayc
retroreprobate
I was listening to a Bad Finger compilation today on the way to work. They seemed to have a rep as an acoustic pop band but this single
demonstrates that they, (or their engineer/producer), had a good handle on guitar tone for the era.
demonstrates that they, (or their engineer/producer), had a good handle on guitar tone for the era.
Lt. Bob
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Bad finger was a cautionary tale about the music biz.
They were so jerked around by the record companies and so dispirited about it that two of them committed suicide!
They had some good songs .......
ok back to work ..... I've been absent because I finally got a gig from some monster players that I've been courting for the last year.
Got about 50 semi-complex tunages to have ready for tomorrow night and I'm not familiar with most of them ...... a buncha originals and obscure funky songs ...... I'll get one shot at this so I gotta bring my 'A' game if I want to get the call-back in the future.
I've spent a year of showing up when I had a night off ..... playing and making them go 'wow' but they have all these players that they've known for a long time that they're gonna call first so it's been hard to get the foot in the door.
But my foot's in there now bitches!!
........ I wanna hang with the cool kids!
But I've had to squeeze my prep into the morning hours that I usually hit the 'puter or after gigs before I crash since I be's busy.
Anyway ..... that's where I am ..... bye.
Sky Blue Lou
Well-known member
Good luck El Tee. Break a leg.
Lt. Bob
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I'm tryin' man ..... I'm tryin' ...........