Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
yeah, I'll pass but thanks.
minerman
Tonetard
Dragonworks: Thanks man, I know they're not terrible (compared to some of my other attemps anyway...LOL), but I wanna get better at it....still working on 'em btw....and, as usual, outta time again, off to work...
Greg: I think it's cool your buddy doesn't have an ego as big as his playing ablility, really cool in fact....I've not saw a lot of musicians around here like that to be honest....Cool clips.....oh and btw, check your pm's when you get time dude...
Greg: I think it's cool your buddy doesn't have an ego as big as his playing ablility, really cool in fact....I've not saw a lot of musicians around here like that to be honest....Cool clips.....oh and btw, check your pm's when you get time dude...
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Greg_L
Banned
minerman
Tonetard
I have, nothing new there. Have I missed something?
I just had a couple/few questions about the drum track you sent.....Dunno what happened to my pm, so I'll ask here....
What reverb did you use on those drums, how do you route the sends, & about how much do you use on different kit pieces???
That's about the jist of it man, I'm still re-working the song I posted, FWIW, I think the kit I was using had a lot to do with both versions sounding so different....the first version you mentioned the snare, that particular kit didn't have a seperate bottom/top mic in the mixer, & the last version (the one I over-humanized) sounds more like a real kit, & that's the reason it sounded like a shitty drummer, because basically, it was due to my over-tweaking in Jamstix....I'm still learning the program, but I've figured out a few more things in the last couple/few days....I'll post another version or dropbox it in a day or two....This shit is time consuming as hell, & it's been a busy week for me....I thought I'd use that first kit on most of my "album", but that ain't gonna happen now...I've made a couple "franken-kits" in Superior that I think might be a little better...LOL....
No tones for the past few days, I've been knee deep in drum programming & work...
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Greg_L
Banned
Hmmmm, I think I used a large chamber room impulse for reverb. It sounds pretty big on it's own listening back to it now, but in the mix it's not very noticeable, which is the way I like it. I really don't like hearing drum reverb unless the song is very slow and has space for it. Fast aggressive stuff is better dry to me. None of the different pieces have their own reverb. They all go dry to a group track and it all gets the one reverb on the whole kit. Sometimes I'll leave the overheads out of the group track so they get no reverb. But that's only sometimes. Other than that, it's all pretty basic. One kick track, one snare track, 4 tom tracks, 2 overheads. Each piece gets a little EQ help. Kick and snare each get their own compression. Toms sometimes get gated. Overheads are usually left raw. Then it's all sent to the group for some very mild compression to glue it all together and reverb. That's about it. Seems like a lot, but I bet it's pretty minimal compared to most people's real drum tracks.
What'd you think of the guitars?
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Greg_L
Banned
Got my Strat out of the shop today. Had a new Tusq nut installed, and had the whole thing treated to a pro set up. Had the trem unit tuned up and set up right. Had a standard set of 9s put on. The guitar plays pretty damn awesomely now. I can bang on it and tweak the wang bar hard and it stays in tune better than it ever has in my 20 years of owning it. Lol. I actually really like it now. All that for 30 bucks. But having been playing my Les Paul and Mosrtite clone so much now, I don't really like the feel of the naked maple Strat neck. The edge from neck contour to fretboard is pretty sharp and makes the fretboard seem very flat. I think it's probably the same radius as the LP, but the LP neck just feels much smoother and comfortable. But it's not a big deal. I'm not good enough to worry about those things. It's not like the Strat is gonna take over the LP or Mosrite clone, but it's good to have it in working order again.
I also had the nut cleaned up on the LP. I started having some binding on the G and B strings. He did a little cleanup back filing on the nut and that bitch stays in perfect tune now no matter how I mistreat it. Very cool!
I think my massive head/chest cold has cleared up enough for me to fire up the amps, so tones tomorrow!
I also had the nut cleaned up on the LP. I started having some binding on the G and B strings. He did a little cleanup back filing on the nut and that bitch stays in perfect tune now no matter how I mistreat it. Very cool!
I think my massive head/chest cold has cleared up enough for me to fire up the amps, so tones tomorrow!
minerman
Tonetard
I was pretty sure that's what you used, that's why I asked....I made me a 'verb template/chain out of the files you sent me ahwile back...thanks man...Again, I was pretty sure about the large chamber thing....
To be honest, the amount of 'verb on the drums surprised me, they were way more wet than I expected, but you can't hear it much in the mix....Cool stuff man...
I've had a "uh-huh" moment this week with my drums....LOL...I'd been processing the fuck out of 'em, & that's part of the reason they sounded so sterile, I was compressing/choking the life out of the sounds I have....I do have to admit, some of the drum samples/sounds I have are pretty fuckin' good, but it's unreal at the amount of 'em I have...maybe if I get bored one day, I'll tell you guys everything I have here, but for now, let's just say it's a lot....LOL...
I always do the multi-out thing with my drums, & I'd been using 2-3 reverbs (sends, different levels for each kit piece), but this week, I've cut it back to only 2, a room & the chamber (that you sent)...Keeping the send levels really low too....
If I can get a little more done tonight, I might post up the changed drums, just for shits-n-giggles....I've been pretty busy this week, so much so, I haven't even fired the amp up....yet...LOL....
I thought all of it sounded bad-ass man, more & more every time I listen to it...On the guitars, they're thick & meaty, but have the "bite" that I like to hear that cuts through with authority...good job man, can't wait to hear those songs finished...
I told myself I was gonna get this "album" done in a certain time, but it's probably not gonna happen, as I'm so picky, I wanna get the drum programming to another level, so it's still gonna be a while...I'm learning more & more about Jamstix, which is a cool, cool drum app, I'd recommend it to anyone that has enough patience to learn how to use it...Seems I'm learning something new every time I open the daw, which is a good thing IMO....
Time for a shower & something to eat....
Bob: Thanks for the rep thing man, if/when I get the "album" done, I'll post it here for you guys to laugh at....LOL....
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Greg_L
Banned
Cool that's great to hear, thanks. We recorded those guitars at my singer/rhythm guitarist's house in his garage which is also where we practice. He has a hole cut in his wall that leads to his office which is adjacent to the garage. It's like a little glory hole. Lol. We set the amps up in his garage and ran cables through the wall so we could sit in his office and track in there without getting our faces blown off. The amps were very loud.
The L rhythm is Shawn. He used a 90s LP Classic with, I believe, a 500T in the bridge.
Diamond Nitrox head. I don't remember the settings, but they were pretty mild for that amp. Gain was maybe 3 or something. That amp is a big modern Mesa-like gain beast. Master vol was maybe like 7 or 8.
The R rhythm is Chris. He used his LP Faded Standard. I think it has a Burstbucker Pro in the bridge.
Marshall JVM 410, OD1 Orange mode. Mild gain, maybe around 3 or 4. Master around 7.
Both tracks were done through a Diamond 4x12 w/ Vintage 30s.
I used an i5, 57, and an e609 on the cab for every track. My plan is to just pick and choose as I get to mixing and probably use some blends of the mics.
Fuck it, since I'm talking about it in here, here it is if anyone wants to hear it. This is an unfinished rough demo mix with no vocals or lead, but it sounds okay for now. I'm just the drummer on this.
We're recording one more set of rhythm tracks tonight through Chris's regularly used cab - A Marshall 1982B w/ Celestion G12-H100s.
rayc
retroreprobate
That sound cool Greg.
I tried to listen closely to the bass but couldn't really tell if it had any bottom end. It certainly has a whole lot of cool Lemmy mids.
Chunky guitars.
I tried to listen closely to the bass but couldn't really tell if it had any bottom end. It certainly has a whole lot of cool Lemmy mids.
Chunky guitars.
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Greg_L
Banned
Thanks Ray. I forgot to mention, that's me on bass too. It's a terrible bass sound for sure, but it's just scratch bass done direct for now. The guys play tuned down a whole step. Standard tuning, but down to D. My bass does not like going down there, and my strings are totally thwacked. When we do the bass for real, it'll be much better. Our bassist is leaving though (for now, I think he'll be back one day, he's done this before) so I'll probably do the bass for keeps when it's time. I'll need to restring my bass or borrow a proper bass.
minerman
Tonetard
Sounds great man, the only thing I hear different is the extra guitar part, with the flanger....Sounds great dude, especially the guitars...On the bass, track a di when you do the final take, then you can re-amp it later if you don't like the sound...."little glory hole"....LOL...I know it's a rough mix, but the drums do have a lot of bottom end, that may be taking away from the bass a little...But, I don't need to tell you this, you're great at mixing....Finish 'em up & let us hear 'em dude....Again, sounds great!!!!
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Greg_L
Banned
Oh yeah, that extra part is the same Chris rhythm setup, just another track with a flanger plug-in. That is what he plays live during that section while the other guy plays the basic rhythm.
I thought about DI'ing the bass with the possibility to reamp later, but I never do that with my own stuff. I just live with what I get, or redo it all together. I'm not a fan of reamping. I get it's usefulness, but I'd rather do it for real for keeps.
I thought about DI'ing the bass with the possibility to reamp later, but I never do that with my own stuff. I just live with what I get, or redo it all together. I'm not a fan of reamping. I get it's usefulness, but I'd rather do it for real for keeps.
minerman
Tonetard
Yeah I get it man, you like to keep it simple, & that's cool....too many possibilities can make for headaches...LOL...sounds great though....
Ok, here's my song, with different drum sounds, re-programmed...I'm still not done with the drums (dunno if I'll ever be..), & in the first fill, a hit or two didn't trigger (dunno why..), but I think it sounds a little better than my previous attempt...
I just put the fade in there where I pretty much stopped re-doing the programming, as I'm having a hard time getting the hi-hats to play nicely with Jamstix...I think I'm gonna get it as close as I can with JS, then record the midi output & tweak the velocities from there, basically using Jamstix as the "timing" thing...LOL...
Lemme know what ya think....Outta time again, but I'll be back in a few hours....
FWIW, I still need to weed through some of the snare hits, as some of 'em are too hard IMHO....
Ok, here's my song, with different drum sounds, re-programmed...I'm still not done with the drums (dunno if I'll ever be..), & in the first fill, a hit or two didn't trigger (dunno why..), but I think it sounds a little better than my previous attempt...
I just put the fade in there where I pretty much stopped re-doing the programming, as I'm having a hard time getting the hi-hats to play nicely with Jamstix...I think I'm gonna get it as close as I can with JS, then record the midi output & tweak the velocities from there, basically using Jamstix as the "timing" thing...LOL...
Lemme know what ya think....Outta time again, but I'll be back in a few hours....
FWIW, I still need to weed through some of the snare hits, as some of 'em are too hard IMHO....
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Greg_L
Banned
That's a lot better. The drums almost sound like a real drummer. You're real close with the humanizing. I can hear it's in time but has a few little very slightly off-time hits here and there. The snare is still a little too....canned. It's not the programming, it's just that snare sample I think. It sounds like a Casio keyboard snare. Lol. But during the ride section it sounds much better. Good use of power variety there. The hats are really bad. Particularly the open hat sound. It's ending chop is not natural. They don't just cut out like that unless the drummer is closing them with his foot, and I don't think a drummer would be opening and closing them that much. Listen at :30 when the hats start really playing. Open hats will have that whooshy sound but they don't just stop with every hit. They keep sizzling. So if you can get the hats to sustain out a bit, I think it would help a lot. The closed hat sound is pretty good.
minerman
Tonetard
Cool man, you'll never know how much time I've spent on this fuckin' song dude...LOL...While I'm still learning Jamstix, I'm still learning the other drum vsti's too...thanks man, means a lot to me...
Yeah, I mentioned the snare in my last post, if I have the velocity too high, it does the "gunshot" snare thing, but it's too much for this song, & too low, well, it sounds like I actually played those drums...LOL...I'll go deeper into my drum sounds, as I'm sure there's something else that might work better, or even blend another sample with that one...
Those hats have about 10 different articulations in Superior, but only about 4-5 in Jamstix...That's why I can't get 'em to sound "right" using Jamstix, but I'm caught with my panties down, because JS is great for the timing shit, & creating good, halfway decent sounding fills....I'm gonna record the midi output when I get the rest of it humanized, & I'll be able to play around with the hi-hat articulations a lot more...
All the comments/suggestions above will help me more than you'll ever know too Greg, I know what I want 'em to do (I hear it in my head), but I'm not a drummer, & the software I'm using, while is very good, is very complicated at times too...Thanks a bunch dude...
Well, dunno what's gonna happen with my job, but I don't go back to work until the 17th of this month, the company is having trouble moving the coal we're producing, which in my eyes, is a very bad thing...They're gonna pay us 4 days this coming week, but are taking those days from our coming Thanksgiving vacation...Dunno whether to flip out or just play it cool...There's no jobs around here in the mining industry, period...While I'm a 24 year vet, it'd still be hard to find a job if I had to...I hope everything's gonna be ok, I'll find out in a few days....The good thing is, I can work on my drum programming all I want....LOL...
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Greg_L
Banned
Wow that sucks. Hang in there man.
By "moving" do you mean they can't sell it, or can't transport/ship it?
By "moving" do you mean they can't sell it, or can't transport/ship it?
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Greg_L
Banned
Ya know, I've been thinking of getting one more guitar. I've got three on my mind:
SG - I've just always liked them and I think a P-90 SG is a good guitar for my kind of music.
Firebird - These have just recently started to creep into my consciousness. I'm kind of interested, I need to play a bunch and see.
Some big ol Gretsch - I've always liked these too, but I don't know how practical it would be. It would be a totally different kind of bullet in the gun though.
I just don't know.
SG - I've just always liked them and I think a P-90 SG is a good guitar for my kind of music.
Firebird - These have just recently started to creep into my consciousness. I'm kind of interested, I need to play a bunch and see.
Some big ol Gretsch - I've always liked these too, but I don't know how practical it would be. It would be a totally different kind of bullet in the gun though.
I just don't know.
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jonny deep
Disappointing Member
I've been GASsing for a Firebird lately since Tim (Phrasemaker) got his - I loved them as a kid, but wanted LPs more. A year or so back I was playing this awesome Gretsch in my local shop every week for ages. It was £2,300, though, and I just couldn't justify it. Wish I had it now, though.
I'm so on the brink of ordering a JCM1 to stack on my JVM1
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Greg_L
Banned
I'm thinking feedback would be a megabitch with a Gretsch and loud Marshalls.
Get a JCM1. That's the best one of the ones.
Get a JCM1. That's the best one of the ones.
minerman
Tonetard
Greg: Yeah, the "moving" thing I'm talking about is our mine has a contract with another company, which has kept us in a job for a pretty good while, they'd been wanting 25,000 clean tons/month, but have cut their order back to about 18,000...We'd still been producing 25k+, so we're off work until they can haul the mountain of coal away....And yes, it sucks dude...
A hollow body guitar and loud Marshall is a recipe for feedback dude, no doubt...I've got a nephew (who owns the Carvin amp & 4x12 I used last summer for some clips at the church), that's got a 335 copy, & while it sounds great, has terrible feedback issues when ran through a loud amp....But, at lower to moderate volumes it's great....You need a pointy, 80's hair metal guitar dude, with a Floyd Rose....
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Jonny: Get the JCM-1 man, that's the one I originally wanted, but had to wait, & they ended up being really hard to find....If I had the $$$, I'd have all the 1w Marshalls...
A hollow body guitar and loud Marshall is a recipe for feedback dude, no doubt...I've got a nephew (who owns the Carvin amp & 4x12 I used last summer for some clips at the church), that's got a 335 copy, & while it sounds great, has terrible feedback issues when ran through a loud amp....But, at lower to moderate volumes it's great....You need a pointy, 80's hair metal guitar dude, with a Floyd Rose....
.Jonny: Get the JCM-1 man, that's the one I originally wanted, but had to wait, & they ended up being really hard to find....If I had the $$$, I'd have all the 1w Marshalls...