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Greg_L
Banned
Right, this ^^^^
If it's got controls, use them if you need to. You probably wouldn't dial in your sim Hiwatt the same as a real one, but you can still dial it in nonetheless.
Right, this ^^^^
If it's got controls, use them if you need to. You probably wouldn't dial in your sim Hiwatt the same as a real one, but you can still dial it in nonetheless.
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Greg_L
Banned
antichef
pornk rock
View attachment LowSensitivity.mp3 Sorry for the unimaginative playing - I was just compelled to try and record this - it's my JCM 800 low sensitivity channel with the amp dimed. It's about 127 decibels in the room, and I didn't want the cops to show up, so I kept it short and didn't get a chance to experiment with mic placement.
Anyway, my point is - this (or at least what it actually sounds like as opposed to my slap-dash attempt at recording) is an amazing sound to play - the guitar feels alive, probably because of the moving air. There's very little hiss/hum - a very good signal to noise ratio, I mean. I had never used the low sensitivity input on the amp, really, and never tried diming it that way until recently. If you have an amp like this, definitely give it a shot.
edit: the chain is:
Gibson SG Supreme bridge (59 classic) pickup, vol/tone on 10 ->
1986 JCM 800 2204 low sensitivity input, presence 0; bass 6; mid 7; treble 5; master 9.5; pre-amp 10 ->
1960A 4x12 cab with 75 watt celestions ->
Sennheiser MD421 U5 ->
modded MOTU Traveler.
the track is dry.
Anyway, my point is - this (or at least what it actually sounds like as opposed to my slap-dash attempt at recording) is an amazing sound to play - the guitar feels alive, probably because of the moving air. There's very little hiss/hum - a very good signal to noise ratio, I mean. I had never used the low sensitivity input on the amp, really, and never tried diming it that way until recently. If you have an amp like this, definitely give it a shot.
edit: the chain is:
Gibson SG Supreme bridge (59 classic) pickup, vol/tone on 10 ->
1986 JCM 800 2204 low sensitivity input, presence 0; bass 6; mid 7; treble 5; master 9.5; pre-amp 10 ->
1960A 4x12 cab with 75 watt celestions ->
Sennheiser MD421 U5 ->
modded MOTU Traveler.
the track is dry.
minerman
Tonetard
Shan: I like all your tracks, & there are differences in each one (the guitar does make a difference with ampsims...), to me, I like the Les Paul Jr. clip the best, which is kinda surprising, as I'm a humbucker guy myself....sounds good!!!
On the X3L, not sure if your bean version has everything mine has, it's got a lot of bells & whistles, but again, using it with my amps, it just sucks the tone too much (especially using it in the 4-cable method...wah/od in front of the amp, modulation, delay & reverb in the fx loop)...When it came out , it was top of the line for Line 6, & I used it on a few songs I finished...slowly but surely I found things to be better for me using a vst ampsim in my daw (instead of recording what the X3L's outs sent to my interface....btw, my X3L has the "dropout" issue, but I never sent it in for repairs, so I've never been able to use it as an interface...), & stopped using it for my amp sounds....
It's got a few things that are useable with my amps like the wahs, a couple od's, a couple/few delays, & a few modulation fx, but really, it's a lot easier & I have more control over all that using vst fx in the daw...
I'd thought about selling it, & replacing what fx I actually like with "real" stompbox/fx, but it would be pretty expensive....I am going to get a few od pedals though, just for different "flavors" of tones....I've been wanting a Carl Martin Plexitone pedal forever, & I'm probably gonna order a JOYO Hot Plexi clone in the next couple weeks....That'll be a start I suppose....but for now, I'll just use the fx in the daw.....LOL...
If you look in my avatar, on the floor next to the LP, you can see my X3L, or part of it..
Steve: Install that shit dude, won't hurt to see if it's gonna work or not....LOL...Good luck on finiding "your" computer, it's been a few years since I've had to do that, & if you need any help/suggestions, you know where I'm at dude...
antichef: Cool clip dude, while my amps are loud enough for the neighbors to hear, the thing that I'd worry about most here would be my wife, not the cops....LOL...sounds good man....
On the X3L, not sure if your bean version has everything mine has, it's got a lot of bells & whistles, but again, using it with my amps, it just sucks the tone too much (especially using it in the 4-cable method...wah/od in front of the amp, modulation, delay & reverb in the fx loop)...When it came out , it was top of the line for Line 6, & I used it on a few songs I finished...slowly but surely I found things to be better for me using a vst ampsim in my daw (instead of recording what the X3L's outs sent to my interface....btw, my X3L has the "dropout" issue, but I never sent it in for repairs, so I've never been able to use it as an interface...), & stopped using it for my amp sounds....
It's got a few things that are useable with my amps like the wahs, a couple od's, a couple/few delays, & a few modulation fx, but really, it's a lot easier & I have more control over all that using vst fx in the daw...
I'd thought about selling it, & replacing what fx I actually like with "real" stompbox/fx, but it would be pretty expensive....I am going to get a few od pedals though, just for different "flavors" of tones....I've been wanting a Carl Martin Plexitone pedal forever, & I'm probably gonna order a JOYO Hot Plexi clone in the next couple weeks....That'll be a start I suppose....but for now, I'll just use the fx in the daw.....LOL...
If you look in my avatar, on the floor next to the LP, you can see my X3L, or part of it..
Steve: Install that shit dude, won't hurt to see if it's gonna work or not....LOL...Good luck on finiding "your" computer, it's been a few years since I've had to do that, & if you need any help/suggestions, you know where I'm at dude...
antichef: Cool clip dude, while my amps are loud enough for the neighbors to hear, the thing that I'd worry about most here would be my wife, not the cops....LOL...sounds good man....
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
love that sound ....... it's Marshall all the way.
minerman
Tonetard
Shan: Sorry, I missed your post dude, & was reading back through the thread then realized I'd missed it....sorry again dude....
Turn your Rokkits up & stand in front of 'em while playing man, it doesn't have to be so loud you'll blow 'em, just loud enough to get the speakers & p'ups to interact with one another....You can make your ampsims feedback like this too, trust me, it works....I saw a video of a guy doing this with a set of headphones too, holding 'em really close to the p'ups....I've never tried this myself, but in theory, it's the same as any other speaker interacting with the guitar....
ShanPeyton
Member
@Minerman Ha! That is cool. Thanks for the tip. I may try it out. I am huge advocate of using feedback as instrument. Not in every song obviously but there is times that a song needs that nice ringing feedback to accentuate it. I may toy around with this little Fender Mustang that i got the other day with the new guitar and see if can make that feed back for parts that i feel i need it. I see it has a USB port on it so i may see what i can do. Or, i dunno Mic it? haha.
I got to thinking about your situation with your Line6 Stuff. I am not sure if you are familiar with a guy named Dustin Kensrue or a band called Thrice, but that Kensrue guy was a major Line6 guy. A good deal of his studio and even live stuff in thrice and his solo stuff i think was primarily Line 6 effects, amps and I think he even used a Modded Variax guitar? It might be worth looking into his set ups and some of his sounds he got as a little bit of a reference. There is a really great live set they did from the house of blues in Anaheim. I remember watching it with a friend once and commenting on his Variax. I wasn't a fan of the band all that much but my friend quickly educated me about his set up. Check it out. I am sure with a set up like that he has probably done a few interviews on how he had it all geared up.
ShanPeyton
Member
True enough. For the longest time, and i am not sure hwy i just said no, i am not going to tweak on the line 6. I wanted the most honest sound i could get. Then i listend to the play back in a full mix. I changed my mind. Thanks Lt. Bob and Greg.
That sounds awesome man. Someday i will have a place to dime an amp. Until then i will live vicariously through all you dudes.
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jonny deep
Disappointing Member
So, I built an isobox for my 2x12 cab. It's just the inner box for now so I can fit it out the door when I move. It's still pretty massive and just squeezes through the doorway. Here is a pic with my little JVM1H on top and you can see my 1x12 Egnater cab at the bottom-right: -
And here comes my first recording from it (it's only 15s of a stupid riff I play when setting up my amp, etc.), settings: -
Gibson LP Traditional bridge pickup -> JVM1H -> Greenback -> SM57 (where cap meets cone, on axis, about 1cm away from grill) -> Quad Capture -> Reaper
JVM settings: -
OD Channel
Presence - 0
Bass - 9
Middle - 2
Treble - 4
Volume - 10
Gain - 0.5
This is probably one of the better raw recordings I've made, any thoughts and recommendations are most welcome.
And here comes my first recording from it (it's only 15s of a stupid riff I play when setting up my amp, etc.), settings: -
Gibson LP Traditional bridge pickup -> JVM1H -> Greenback -> SM57 (where cap meets cone, on axis, about 1cm away from grill) -> Quad Capture -> Reaper
JVM settings: -
OD Channel
Presence - 0
Bass - 9
Middle - 2
Treble - 4
Volume - 10
Gain - 0.5
This is probably one of the better raw recordings I've made, any thoughts and recommendations are most welcome.
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Greg_L
Banned
Wow you isobox guys are crafty.
I think it sounds okay, but I hate to say it does sound a little boxy. Maybe cuz it's in a box? I don't know. But I think some settings tweaks could minimize it. Try dropping the bass and bringing up the mids more. Bring in some presence. It's not bad though. I like it and can tell the basic sound of it is pretty awesome.
I think it sounds okay, but I hate to say it does sound a little boxy. Maybe cuz it's in a box? I don't know. But I think some settings tweaks could minimize it. Try dropping the bass and bringing up the mids more. Bring in some presence. It's not bad though. I like it and can tell the basic sound of it is pretty awesome.
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jonny deep
Disappointing Member
Hey Greg, thanks for the tips. Its great to get such precise help! I'll give them a try when I get chance (about to go away for a few days, unfortunately). I could hear it's not quite what I'm after, but wasn't sure why. Unlike previous attempts at recording the little JVM, though, I've managed to capture more of the high end, which is progress!
DirtySteve
New member
It's cool to see I'm in good company here with all you Marshall guys. 
minerman
Tonetard
Jonny: Sounds pretty good to me, & of course, you'll get better at it as you learn the ISO more...FWIW, that's about how big my ISO cab is, I made it as big as I possibly could, but still able to roll it out the doorway....LOL...I finally built an inner box for mine, & mounted a speaker directly to a baffle...Filled as much as I could with Roxul Safe-N-Sound, & it does a fair job at killing the noise...To be honest, I think it's about as quiet as it was with either of my 1x12's in there, but, it's much easier now to tweak the mics, or even swap speakers...Before, I'd have to lug the 1x12 in/out, & it was a royal pain in the ass to tweak the mics....Again, sounds good dude, & you'll learn more as you go along....On the boxy thing Greg mentioned, he's never said that about any of my ISO recordings, did you happen to put any Roxul inside your ISO dude??? That may be the missing ingredient...You can pick up a bundle of that shit at Lowe's for about $75-80, & it'd be enough to do your box, plus have enough left over for some acoustic panels....Just a thought....Sounds good, I wanna hear some more!!!
Shan: Thanks for the info dude, but to be honest, I'm all in with my real amps now man, I've spent over 2 grand in the last year or so on my gear....I'll still check that guy out though, it's always good to have options....Thanks for the heads up...
Steve: Yep, Marshall heads here dude, don't get much love over at the Marshall forum for my 'lil 1w, but that's ok, I don't have the luxury of cranking a big amp like it's supposed to be used, so, I'll just stick with my little amps for now....You get anything done on your setup????
I've spent the last couple nights recording some guitars on those songs I've been talking about forever, made a little progress...I might post a couple of the raw/solo'd tracks in a while...
Shan: Thanks for the info dude, but to be honest, I'm all in with my real amps now man, I've spent over 2 grand in the last year or so on my gear....I'll still check that guy out though, it's always good to have options....Thanks for the heads up...
Steve: Yep, Marshall heads here dude, don't get much love over at the Marshall forum for my 'lil 1w, but that's ok, I don't have the luxury of cranking a big amp like it's supposed to be used, so, I'll just stick with my little amps for now....You get anything done on your setup????
I've spent the last couple nights recording some guitars on those songs I've been talking about forever, made a little progress...I might post a couple of the raw/solo'd tracks in a while...
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jonny deep
Disappointing Member
Hey, thanks Miner. The iso box has 2" of rockwool on each inner face. I was hoping that would do the job. If I can't get it to work, I can pad it more and switch to using my 1x12 in there, but would prefer if I can get an SM57 setup on each of the 2x12 speakers so I don't have to open it regularly. Plus, as you say, swapping out speakers in the 1x12 would be a royal pain in the arse. As I tend to record songs in sections, swapping speakers and mic positions is very annoying, I'd like to be able to switch quickly between speakers.
Anyway, thanks again, I'm away for a few days, but will continue to play with it and post more samples when I get back.
Anyway, thanks again, I'm away for a few days, but will continue to play with it and post more samples when I get back.
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Greg_L
Banned
I've been reading a lot of stuff over there. There are some real dumbfucks at that site. I love my Marshalls, but I'll never be one of those idiots.
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jonny deep
Disappointing Member
When I was looking at the gain mod for the JVM1 I saw lots of people posting they'd ordered all 5 of the 50th anniversary 1W models before they were released, so they hadn't heard any of them. Over here, that's around £2,500, which is just madness in my eyes.
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Greg_L
Banned
Exactly. It's a fan site. Those are people that make threads about their Marshall refrigerators. Nothing wrong with that, but if objectivity is what you're after, that's not the place to get it from what I've seen. Everyone over there will tell you which amp is the best, and it's always their own.
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
In other news the Ampeg GVT-5 is a beast for being a 5 watt amp. Used it at rehearsal last nite with a drumber ....... ALL of my other 5 watt amps couldn't do that ..... they broke up so early that way before they were loud enough they were a distorted dirty mess.
This thing ...... I had to turn it down!!
It's some kinda serious 5 watts. I want another one!
This thing ...... I had to turn it down!!
It's some kinda serious 5 watts. I want another one!
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Greg_L
Banned
That's awesome. So what other gear was it up against? Bass? More guitars? Was the drummer loud?