The New Tone Thread

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Brown sound came after the 1st album

eddie likes the brown sound

the producers brightened him up on the first album
 
Greg_L said:
Is that the real Eddie track?
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I don't know if it's the "real" EVH track or not dude, it's a multi-track thing I got off the 'net. I think they're great for learning how to get a particular sound whether it be guitar, bass, drums, you can even hear what kind of fx are on some of the vocals...
Greg_L said:
To me, I wouldn't say that it's brighter than yours, but it is tighter in the low mids to me. Another problem with chasing recorded tones is you're chasing recorded tones. You're trying to copy a sound that has been EQ'd, edited, processed, mastered, and God only knows what else. I also think there's more to Eddie's amp tone than a stupid variac. I'm no Super Lead expert, but I've heard them cranked and less than cranked. Channels jumped and not jumped. His sound is much gainier and thinner than any Super Lead I've come across. I think his amps were modded or he hit the front with something. It's not just the variac in my opinion. The only way to naturally approach his kind of gain with a NMV Marshall is to crank it, and when you do that, they get fat. They don't stay all tidy and together like his sound is. They get wild. Maybe his playing is so clean that the amp stays together ?I don't know. I just think there's way more to his sound than just his playing and a cranked Super Lead.
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Yep, you're dead on about "God knows what else" has been done to these tracks,maybe it's the low/low mid thing that keep throwing me off. The isolated guitar track I posted doesn't have a lot of low end (to me anyway), & maybe that's why I keep thinking my tone's not bright enough....I've always thought EVH's sound was something different than what he's said. I've read all kinds of shit he's said about his sound. To me, his amp sounds modded for more gain, & he's using a boost/stomp too. That may be why the low/low mids are tighter, the boost/od pedals I've used all tighten up the low end....On the JVM, I'd love to have one, but since the new house thing fell through, I'm gonna have to wait a while & see what happens on that....There's no way I could use a JVM here currently, but I do have plans for when we get another house to go with bigger amps, I think that'd solve a lot of my problems, tone wise....I'll just have to keep playing the waiting game for a while longer....Post up your version of the brown sound dude, I'd love to hear it!!!! Doesn't matter about the playing here in the Tone Thread, right??? Post it up dude!!!

Lt. Bob: Yes dude, he is a dickhead as a person IMO, but there's no denying his chops & tone even if he is a burned out psycho who thinks he's above everybody else, & lies every time he opens his mouth.....:laughings:
 
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Lol. That Angus clip might be the real thing. It sounds like it's been butchered by some kind of digital conversion, but that's what cranked Super Leads generally kind of sound like. They're raw and wild and aggressive. They're not tight high gain and smooth like a typical EVH sound. If you plug into Top Input 1, without jumping the channels, and crank it, it's a wild cutting mess just like that Angus clip.

I'll try a VH sound with my JVM for you. I've never in my life played a VH song, so I think I'll whip out "Eruption". Lol just kidding. I couldn't play any of that stuff even if I practiced for 10 straight years. I hate guitar wankery so I've never listened to it or ever tried it. EVH might be a legendary player, but his music is vapid shit! I can't stand it. What's something easy that I might could throw down on just to try for the sound? The intro to "Aint Talking Bout Love" might be something I could do.
 
I think all the RB tracks I have are the real thing, but have been digitized, & some (like the Angus track) are clipping like hell....

Let's see dude, Ain't Talking 'Bout Love is fairly easy (the intro anyway), the beginning of "Mean Streets" (not the crazy tapped shit, the actual beginning of the song) is kinda easy.....I've got it, "You Really Got Me" would be really easy, here's the intro via RB track:



And, while this is on my mind, I usually tune to 440, a lot of players tune down a half step, that'd be what, 435, as 430 would be a whole step, right??? As you can clearly see, I'm a gifted musician.....:laughings:
 
Okay minerman, here's my first ever in my life attempt at anything Van Halen. This is also a very low volume clip cuz the wife and kids are watching a movie. This was like regular tv watching or normal conversation volume. The family is in the other room and they never once said "turn that shit down!" I don't think it's too bad but I hear what I need to try to do better (besides the playing). Tell me what you think.

Van Crappin

This was....
LP Burstbucker 3 bridge p/u > JVM 410 > 1960a Greenback > SM 57 on axis on grill dustcap/cone junction > Reverb in Reaper > No EQ
JVM OD1 channel Orange mode
Gain - 2.5
Bass - 6
Mid - 7
Treb - 5
Resonance - 0
Presence - 0
Ch vol - 2
Master vol - 1
 
Cool man, you never cease to amaze me with you recording skills.....Very nice, especially for your first VH attempt....I looked for an applause smilie, but this forum doesn't have one, if it did, I'd put a bunch of 'em here for ya.....

What 'verb did you use man, as I'm finding the reverb has almost as much to do with the sound as the amp/cab thing???

Again, very nice dude, I suppose I'm gonna have to break down & just buy a JVM, with a 4x12 cab....I've already spent enough on small amps/cabs/ampsims, that I could've had one already.....

Lemme know about the 'verb dude, and again, nice tone, pretty close especially for your first try/attempt at anything VH at all!!!
 
jimmys69 said:
In your tackle box where you left them. lol
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Lol! Fishing in spandex. Maybe that'll change my luck!

minerman said:
Cool man, you never cease to amaze me with you recording skills.....Very nice, especially for your first VH attempt....I looked for an applause smilie, but this forum doesn't have one, if it did, I'd put a bunch of 'em here for ya.....

What 'verb did you use man, as I'm finding the reverb has almost as much to do with the sound as the amp/cab thing???

Again, very nice dude, I suppose I'm gonna have to break down & just buy a JVM, with a 4x12 cab....I've already spent enough on small amps/cabs/ampsims, that I could've had one already.....

Lemme know about the 'verb dude, and again, nice tone, pretty close especially for your first try/attempt at anything VH at all!!!
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Thanks bud. I know it's not "exact" but I've always though that the JVM's OD1 Orange sounds very VH-ish. I never use that mode, but the first time I ever messed with it I was kind of shocked at how close to the early VH sound it is with little effort. I bet you would have a field day with this thing. My buddy and lead guitarist also has a JVM and he loves some EVH. He'll kick in OD1 orange and do Eruption note for note. It's scary good.

I'll try this again tomorrow with a few changes. I think I'm gonna loosen up the power section with my negative feedback mod, raise the overall volume, drop the gain a little, and maybe add a phaser in front.

The reverb....I'm not sure what I used to be honest. It's a convolution reverb, I know that much. The impulse file is like a large hall, or big room, or something like that. It's definitely a room and not a plate or spring. A big room reverb panned to the side.
 
Greg_L said:
Thanks bud. I know it's not "exact" but I've always though that the JVM's OD1 Orange sounds very VH-ish. I never use that mode, but the first time I ever messed with it I was kind of shocked at how close to the early VH sound it is with little effort. I bet you would have a field day with this thing. My buddy and lead guitarist also has a JVM and he loves some EVH. He'll kick in OD1 orange and do Eruption note for note. It's scary good.

I'll try this again tomorrow with a few changes. I think I'm gonna loosen up the power section with my negative feedback mod, raise the overall volume, drop the gain a little, and maybe add a phaser in front.

The reverb....I'm not usre what I used to be honest. It's a convolution reverb, I know that much. The impulse file is like a large hall, or big room, or something like that. It's definitely a room and not a plate or spring. A big room reverb panned to the side.
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Like I said, your recording skills never cease to amaze me Greg. I remember a few years ago when I first started recording, I'd listened to some of your stuff ("Deuce" by KISS comes to mind), & was blown away. You were using Guitar Rig at that time IIRC, & it still sounded spot-on.....

Dude, you're killing me talking about the JVM, don't tell me that shit....Really though, I'm actually thinking about flipping some of my gear to help fund a new amp. I'd love to have an old Super Lead or Plexi, but from what I've heard/read, the JVM does a pretty good job sounding like anything Marshall's put out over the years.....Now, stop talking about that damn JVM dude....:laughings:

Was the 'verb one of Reaper's stock plugs??? I've been trying a bunch of different 'verbs, the one I've actually been using is inside of Guitar Rig 5, just using it as a send thing, 100% wet & panned out wide.....

You need to stipe up your Les Paul dude, & start letting cigarettes burn the headstock where you've put 'em between the strings while you're playing....:D Seriously though, the clip sounds good!!!!
 
minerman said:
Like I said, your recording skills never cease to amaze me Greg. I remember a few years ago when I first started recording, I'd listened to some of your stuff ("Deuce" by KISS comes to mind), & was blown away. You were using Guitar Rig at that time IIRC, & it still sounded spot-on.....

Dude, you're killing me talking about the JVM, don't tell me that shit....Really though, I'm actually thinking about flipping some of my gear to help fund a new amp. I'd love to have an old Super Lead or Plexi, but from what I've heard/read, the JVM does a pretty good job sounding like anything Marshall's put out over the years.....Now, stop talking about that damn JVM dude....:laughings:

Was the 'verb one of Reaper's stock plugs??? I've been trying a bunch of different 'verbs, the one I've actually been using is inside of Guitar Rig 5, just using it as a send thing, 100% wet & panned out wide.....

You need to stipe up your Les Paul dude, & start letting cigarettes burn the headstock where you've put 'em between the strings while you're playing....:D Seriously though, the clip sounds good!!!!
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Haha, thanks again. Deuce. Man that was a long time ago. Those old old KISS songs are a guilty pleasure of mine. I think I did that one with my old SS combo and a digitech processor in front. I didn't have much success with guitar rig. I liked it and got really good sounds when it worked, but it hogged up my computer power big time. This thing is like 8 years old. GR would make my shit freeze and lock up pretty often.

Honestly, I'm not trying to rub it in or anything, but I think the JVM is way more your speed than a non MV amp. Super Leads are awesome, but fuck man, if you're having to build iso boxes for your one watt amps a Super Lead is totally 100% the WRONG amp for you. With the style of music that you like and play, the standard JVM 410 or the Satriani JVM is the perfect amp for you. Seriously. The JVM's are minerman amps. The whole amp is based on the JMP Super Leads and the JCM 800....with tons of gain on tap. I don't even tickle all the stuff this amp can do. Me using the JVM is like....Stevie Wonder looking at p0rn. He's not gonna use it for all it's worth, but he'll have a good time with it anyway. Lol. It's like all of Marshall's best amps in one. And with the mods you can do to this thing....you'd be in buttrocking heaven. And it does low volume really well. Keep it in mind.

I'm thinking of doing this mod called the "one-wire 3rd stage bias Randy Rhoads" mod, or something like that. It looks really easy. It basically changes the bias of the third gain stage to alter the characteristics of the orange and red modes. It goes from cold to hot preamp bias. It's adjustable with a pot so you can keep it stock, or go all Randy Rhoads crazy with it. This mod also gives it the #39 SIR "AFD" sound too. Pretty cool
 
Oh, about the reverb...I have a bunch of impulse files of different reverbs. Reaper has a built-in convolution reverb plug-in called "reaverb". You just load in the impulse file and bam, sweet reverb. Impulse files are awesome. They're very natural sounding, because they are actually natural.
 
Yeah, the iso box is just a temporary thing though dude, we're eventually gonna get another house (& rent this one out to help pay for the new one), & I'll have my man-cave then. It's just gonna take some time, as I don't have $100,000 in my pocket to plunk down on a new house/land. I wish I did, but I don't.....And, to be honest, I'm not gonna work until I die either, I've been doing this hard labor shit too long already (I've spent over 23 years underground, mostly in mines that the height/roof is no higher than 48", for the first 4-5 years, it was in about 30" stuff....try taking a piss where it's only 30" high, or doing anything for that matter, it seperates the men from the boys pretty quick, not to brag or anything...), no disrespect toward my old man, but that's got a lot to do with his health these days, he actually worked himself to death. Hell, even after he had 4 heart attacks, a 5-bypass open heart surgery & the doctors considered him disabled (he retired & started drawing his SS/disablity checks), he made over $30k a year selling fucking firewood (he'd take his 4wd truck in the mountains here, & cut huge oak trees down, cut 'em up into sections, take it home & bust it up into firewood...he eventually bought a splitter, but for years, he did that shit with a fucking maul, brute labor is all he's ever known....he wore out 2 brand new 4wd trucks doing that shit, but, he made $$$...poor old guy, that's all he's ever known, I could tell you stories about him growing up that would put chills down your spine the shit him & his brothers/sisters had to do as kids to help my Grandpa survive...)...Sorry to go off there, that's just been on my mind the last couple days....

I think the JVM would be killer for my uses, but again, I'm gonna have to wait a while until we get another pad/house where I'll be able to actually use it....I do have to say though, lately, my wife's been pretty laid back on my music thing. I had the monitors cranked all weekend, playing all kinds of crazy shit, I even had the Tweaker set up in the room (without the iso box), with the power tubes cooking pretty good, & she never said a word.....

On the 'verb, I was pretty sure that's what you were talking about, I've got all kinds of those 'verb IR's if you ever want any....I slapped that on my VH track I'm working on, & it does seem to make a difference somewhat.....

Gonna post another tone or two in alittle while, I'm still working on 'em, but I'll put 'em up in a while.....

Be sure you post another version of that tone dude, when you can take your time & set the amp up right......

And, you're killing me talking about those mods to the JVM dude.....I suppose the time's coming where I'll get rid of the Tweaker & both 1x12 cabs to fund part of the JVM head & 4x12....The wife's gonna shit, but she'll just have to shit. I bust my ass to take care of her, so if I want a fucking half-stack, I'm gonna have one dammit.....:D
 
minerman said:
The wife's gonna shit, but she'll just have to shit. I bust my ass to take care of her, so if I want a fucking half-stack, I'm gonna have one dammit.....:D
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Fuck yeah! I just informed my wife that I'm getting a B cab so I can foolishly have a full stack for no other reason than vanity and just flat out wanting one because I've never had one. To my complete surprise she said "definitely that would be awesome". I just want it. Why not? I found a pretty nice 1960B for $300. As soon as the guy gets back in town I'm gonna go check it out. She wasn't liking the JMP, but then I quickly sold the JCM 900 for what I paid for it and it balanced out the JMP. Now she's back on board. If I get this B cab I don't know what I'm gonna do with it speaker wise. Surely it will have G12T-75s in it, which are cool. But I'm still sitting on two G12T-75s and two G12-65s out in the garage. My A cab has Greenback and 65s. I might run the 75s and 65s in the B. I think that would be killer B cab and a nice thick base sound for the full stack.
 
OK, here's another clip/track of my try at a VH sound, excuse the shitty playing, I've honestly only learned this song today as much as I love VH's music....Look over the cheesy/shitty backing vocals too, that's the RB thing goin' on, & there's no way for me to edit 'em out (I would've if I could've....)...

Lemme know what you think, other than the shitty playing....

 
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