The New Tone Thread

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OK guys, here's a little test I did with a homemade ISO box, it's my Ibanez > SD-1 (clean boost) > Tweaker > 1x12 Greenback cab > SM57 mic > interface. I can't tell any difference in the tone in/out of the box, so I suppose that's a good thing, I was worried having the cab inside the box (with a shitload of Roxul) would alter the tone, but so far so good I suppose......and yes, this is the same old shit I've posted for months playing-wise, I just re-amped the di's as life is pretty hectic for me right now, but hopefully will get back to normal before too long.....

BTW, the ISO box I built cuts the volume of the amp/cab probably 50% if not more, these clips were with the amp on about 6 (sweet spot for my little amp), & you can barely hear it in the room......I plan on building another box (like the Randall/Jet City ISO's) to go inside the box I already have (with changeable baffles for different speakers), & it should be totally silent......

Lemme know what you guys think.......



tone:


http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=12133959



mix:


http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=12133998
 
Thanks Greg, I think it's because I had the volume up to about 6 on the amp, instead of about 1, & cranking the pre on the interface to have enough signal :)...This clip is also the Greenback speaker too, which I've finally realized sounds a little smoother than the V30 (the mids aren't harsh like the V30).....I think the box I made is big enough to let the speaker push a little air too....

So, I think the ISO box is gonna work, it's not totally silent, but I knew it wouldn't be, but it does cut the noise by about 50% anyway....I plan on building another box to go inside the one I already have, with either interchangeable baffles, or use wing-nuts for a quick speaker change when I want. The "box in a box" should cut the noise even more, & hopefully it won't affect the tone....

Overall, I'm pretty happy with the ISO box I've made, it cost me about $125 for the materials, & took me a couple/few hours to put together, so far, so good!!!
 
minerman said:
Thanks Greg, I think it's because I had the volume up to about 6 on the amp, instead of about 1, & cranking the pre on the interface to have enough signal :)...This clip is also the Greenback speaker too, which I've finally realized sounds a little smoother than the V30 (the mids aren't harsh like the V30).....
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Yes! I've found with my V30's they sound better the more power you push into them. For low-mid volume cleans or for slight tube breakup they might be the best ever, but for overdriven sounds my V30's sound kind of stiff until they're screaming. I also have to dial the mids back on the head to get what I feel is a pleasing tone with the V30's. Not a problem, but it's noticeable. Greenbacks get smooth much sooner and kind of stay that way. I would think that the Greenback 1x12 would "fit" your amp better than a V30.
 
Pretty much right Greg, the Greenback does "fit" my amp a little better than the V30, I suppose it's more of a vintage type amp/speaker combination. But, the little Tweaker does sound good with the V30, especially when I push the front end with an od/distortion pedal.....

I have one more speaker I wanna get, a GT-75, & I should pretty much have what I want speaker wise, the ISO cab I'm gonna build to go inside the "box" will have either an interchangeable baffle, or I'll just use wing-nuts (probably would be easier just to do the wing-nut thing) so I can change the speaker out pretty easy/quick if I want.

So far, the box I built seems to let me get the amp at a decent level, without pissing everyone here off. I can't believe how loud the Tweaker is for 15w. I still haven't gotten around to trying some different tubes in it either, maybe before too long things will get back to "normal" here......

I'm waiting to see what Marshall releases this year too, they've already announced a 5w Slash combo amp (which I'd probably buy if it came in a head version), but I think they're gonna have some more stuff later on too, in the Marshall Forum they keep throwing hints, so it's wait & see.......I'm gonna buy a Marshall sometime this year dude, I should've already, but haven't....
 
I'm not surprised. 15 tube watts has the potential to be damn loud in a bedroom. That Diamond Assassin head I had was 18 watts and it was insanely loud.

You might like the G12T-75, although it's another high wattage speaker that your amp might not get moving sufficiently. It's a more modern, mid-scooped kind of sound with big lows and highs. I like mine but they can be a little spiky. You should have no trouble finding one for cheap since they're the most common speaker on the planet. I've got two Greenbacks and two G12T-75's X-patterned in my 4x12 and it sounds amazing to me.

Marshall is coming out with some wild stuff, although it's all way overpriced in my opinion. 800 bucks for a 1 watt one channel head? Pffft. Please. You can buy a real 100w DSL for 500-600. I know a 1 watt is a bedroom type amp, but I'd have a hard time forking over that kind of money for a one watt head when the real deal big boy is cheaper or the same price. The JCM-1 is pretty cool, but the other one watters I've played are less than inspiring to me. The DSL-15 looks pretty cool though and probably kicks out some big amp tone. I dunno, I'm just glad I can blast a big one.
 
I wanted one of the 1 watters really bad when I first heard about 'em, but not so much now. While I'm sure they sound good, you're right about being able to buy a full size head for that much. I've been looking at the DSL15H, but again, I'm gonna wait & see what they come out with in the next little while.....

I've got an offer for a used GT-75 for $60 including shipping, just haven't gotten around to buying it. With the wife being sick, & me working like a slave, I don't have time for much else lately.......

Matter of fact, I'm about to head out the door to go get it again........see you guys in about 12 hours or so.......
 
minerman said:
I wanted one of the 1 watters really bad when I first heard about 'em, but not so much now. While I'm sure they sound good, you're right about being able to buy a full size head for that much. I've been looking at the DSL15H, but again, I'm gonna wait & see what they come out with in the next little while.....

I've got an offer for a used GT-75 for $60 including shipping, just haven't gotten around to buying it. With the wife being sick, & me working like a slave, I don't have time for much else lately.......

Matter of fact, I'm about to head out the door to go get it again........see you guys in about 12 hours or so.......
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I tried out the DSL15H next to the JCM-1H. The DSL is more versatile, having two channels, but the JCM beats it in terms of tone. They're priced at £399 and £499 over here. Even at 1W, I wouldn't be able to crank it in my house unless there was noone else here - you can switch it down to 0.1W, at which you can crank it, but you lose tone. In your ISO box it would sound sweet - I tried it on a V30 speaker and it sounded great.

My 1x12 cab has a G12H30 speaker, which complements my 15W Vox head nicely - have you considered that, might be more appropriate for your 15W Tweaker maybe? I guess with a 75W speaker in a 1x12, that means you can move up the wattage some, though.

I checked out your ISO box tones - very nice, gives me great hope for when I build mine. I've been trying to convince myself to build one for a 2x12 (or even 4x12) cab out in the garage (they won't go through the door once built, I figure). If I get a 2x12 with 50W speakers, that means I could get a 50W head. In a box in a box ISO box, that might be a reasonable volume out in the garage.
 
minerman said:
I wanted one of the 1 watters really bad when I first heard about 'em, but not so much now. While I'm sure they sound good, you're right about being able to buy a full size head for that much. I've been looking at the DSL15H, but again, I'm gonna wait & see what they come out with in the next little while.....

I've got an offer for a used GT-75 for $60 including shipping, just haven't gotten around to buying it. With the wife being sick, & me working like a slave, I don't have time for much else lately.......

Matter of fact, I'm about to head out the door to go get it again........see you guys in about 12 hours or so.......
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I tried out the DSL15H next to the JCM-1H. The DSL is more versatile, having two channels, but the JCM beats it in terms of tone. They're priced at £399 and £499 over here. Even at 1W, I wouldn't be able to crank it in my house unless there was noone else here - you can switch it down to 0.1W, at which you can crank it, but you lose tone. In your ISO box it would sound sweet - I tried it on a V30 speaker and it sounded great.

My 1x12 cab has a G12H30 speaker, which complements my 15W Vox head nicely - have you considered that, might be more appropriate for your 15W Tweaker maybe? I guess with a 75W speaker in a 1x12, that means you can move up the wattage some, though.

I checked out your ISO box tones - very nice, gives me great hope for when I build mine. I've been trying to convince myself to build one for a 2x12 (or even 4x12) cab out in the garage (they won't go through the door once built, I figure). If I get a 2x12 with 50W speakers, that means I could get a 50W head. In a box in a box ISO box, that might be a reasonable volume out in the garage.
 
Nice tones on the volume knob thing, Greg. You always have a consistently good tone from your LP/Marshall. Reminds me of my Tweaker/Greenback combo a lot, sounds good.....as usual....

I've finally figured out the little amp I have is more of a vintage/classic rock type amp, while it can do high gain, it's still more of a vintage voiced amp, that's the reason I'm still looking at other amps, I want something that's a little more "modern" sounding, I've read that the DSL15H is voiced that way, but again, I'm still gonna wait to see what comes in the next little while from Marshall (& other amp companies....)...

But, I'm finally getting my recording setup how I've been wanting for a pretty good while, but still have a way to go.....oh yeah, I know it's a never ending thing too btw.......:D
 
minerman said:
Nice tones on the volume knob thing, Greg. You always have a consistently good tone from your LP/Marshall. Reminds me of my Tweaker/Greenback combo a lot, sounds good.....as usual....

I've finally figured out the little amp I have is more of a vintage/classic rock type amp, while it can do high gain, it's still more of a vintage voiced amp, that's the reason I'm still looking at other amps, I want something that's a little more "modern" sounding, I've read that the DSL15H is voiced that way, but again, I'm still gonna wait to see what comes in the next little while from Marshall (& other amp companies....)...

But, I'm finally getting my recording setup how I've been wanting for a pretty good while, but still have a way to go.....oh yeah, I know it's a never ending thing too btw.......:D
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I looked long and hard (lol) at the Tweaker and I never got the impression that it was a "modern" amp. I strongly considered buying one. I think you're right that it has a more classic kind of voicing. It's not by any means a "metal" or modern kind of amp in my opinion. It's been my experience that even the most modern Marshalls still retain much of their classic flavor. Usually it's just the same ol Marshally sound with more gain. Like the JVM or Yngwie models for instance. They're capable of super high modern gain but they still sound like Marshalls. They can't do anything but sound like a Marshall. To me that's a good thing, but it might not be what you're after. Check out the Hughes and Kettner Tubemeisters. They're little amps that do a lot of stuff with a modern flavor.
 
That's funny about the H & K dude, I almost bought the 18w Tubemeister head, but opted for the Tweaker mainly because I can use basically any tube in the power section for different "flavors" (which I have yet to do btw.....)....

I'm pretty happy with the T15, it's a really good sounding little amp, but like I mentioned, I want something a little more "modern" sounding, but I still want the Marshall "growl", if that makes any sense.....I do have to say, the Tweaker does a pretty convincing Marshall type sound (& Fender too btw...), but it just doesn't do the modern high gain......

I still have all the time in the world to pick another amp, I'm just looking at as many as I can before I pull the trigger on one (like the Blackstar, I thought it'd be "the" amp, & I wouldn't have to buy another one:facepalm:......while it was a good sounding little amp, comparing it to what I have now, well, there really isn't a comparison to me....especially on the clean to semi-dirty sounds, the high gain on the HT-5 was good though...)

So, it's off to work I go again, wife has surgery in the morning, have to have her at the hospital at 6:30 am, so I doubt if I'll be around until tomorrow evening. Wish us luck, I'm sure she'll be fine, but still........

Keep the tone thread alive, & I'll post up some more of my shitty stuff in a day or so....:laughings:
 
Good luck, miner. Hope everything goes well.

Looking forward to hearing more isobox tones!
 
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A friend sent me a couple 90's Shunguan 5751 preamp tubes to play around with. I just got 'em in the amp & haven't played/recorded anything yet, he said they're a high gain like a 12ax7, instead of the usual lower gain 5751's....we'll see in just a little while, I've got the amp warming up with the place to myself, so I'm about to put the Tweaker through it's paces with the new tubes......

The wife is doing great too guys, thanks for the comments about that, it's been a really scary time here for us, but so far so good, thanks again!!!!

Clips to come later with the new tubes.......so there's your warning.......:D
 
minerman said:
The wife is doing great too guys, thanks for the comments about that, it's been a really scary time here for us, but so far so good, thanks again!!!!

Clips to come later with the new tubes.......so there's your warning.......:D
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Hey Miner - good to hear from you. Great news about your wife - happy to hear that!

Looking forward to your clips - will they be made in your iso-box?
 
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