The New Tone Thread

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Ohhhhh it was a sim?



For some reason, it sounds worse now.


:D


Just kidding WS. :)
 
I can empathise with White Strat at the moment as I've had to take both my amps to a tech - the Marshall Superbass (MkII 1979) is popping & numming while smelling like a soldering iron and the Jade Clubman (Melbourne Aust made approx '82) has had one input die and is creating an envelope of unrelated noise to shroud the amplified sound in.
I'll have to use sims for a little while unless I can find a way to mic my tiny Pignose battery jobbie to give me something good - any ideas tonefreaks?
 
I would like to learn a bit more about it, like learn to solder and build a kit or something.
 
Lt. Bob said:
at guitar tensions not a chance in hell.

:)
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I'll have to do a few calculations based upon the string tensions that 18:1 gear ratio tuners are subjected to.

If you do a little research on your own you just might learn that dependent on load...worm gear ratios of less that 50:1 can in fact be back driven.
 
rayc said:
I'll have to use sims for a little while unless I can find a way to mic my tiny Pignose battery jobbie to give me something good - any ideas tonefreaks?
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Now I've not used a Pignose (Iread that Zappa used one in the studio), one of my secret weapons is a 2 watt amp into an 8" speaker. Stick a mic in front of that thing and hit record.:D
 
rayc said:
I'll have to use sims for a little while unless I can find a way to mic my tiny Pignose battery jobbie to give me something good - any ideas tonefreaks?
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I would try the Pignose, what have you got to lose?
Post it up! :D
 
Track Rat said:
Now I've not used a Pignose (Iread that Zappa used one in the studio), one of my secret weapons is a 2 watt amp into an 8" speaker. Stick a mic in front of that thing and hit record.:D
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It sounds about perfect to me.
What 2W amp do you have?
 
It's one I built based on an old design. It's basicly a Silvertone 1448.
 
WhiteStrat said:
I hope you're not disappointed in me--but it's an amp sim.
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Ah, that would explain the '5150 era' sound I was hearing. Kind of a complex, processed sound. Now I know why. :)
 
60's guy said:
To say that all tuners stay in place is patently false.

With enough string tension (broken tooth aside) worm gears that aren't precison machined to close tolerances can be back driven....and slip.

Precision made tuners are worth every dollar you pay for.

I've equipped a few of my guitars with Schaeller (sp?) 18:1 ratio tuners made in Germany.

It's like anything else.....you get what you pay for.
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Plain rubbish. Pinion worm gear mechanisms do not slip under the loads they are applied to support. Industries from shipbuilding to heavy steel furnaces depend on them. So do guitar tuners.
 
muttley600 said:
Plain rubbish. Pinion worm gear mechanisms do not slip under the loads they are applied to support. Industries from shipbuilding to heavy steel furnaces depend on them. So do guitar tuners.
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I tend to agree with this (which is why I said my Grovers don't slip...none of my tuners do but I needed some more words to build my case against those crappy assed '82 Strat tuners which were pure shit :) ). If there is slippage it is probably string slippage around the winding on the peg, or around the ball end windings if you dive heavily on a trem.
 
Seeker of Rock said:
I tend to agree with this (which is why I said my Grovers don't slip...none of my tuners do but I needed some more words to build my case against those crappy assed '82 Strat tuners which were pure shit :) ). If there is slippage it is probably string slippage around the winding on the peg, or around the ball end windings if you dive heavily on a trem.
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there's no 'tending to agree' on this. Worm gears can't slip at their intended tensions.

I've had a LOT of guitars and even the very cheapest tuners never slipped. The ONLY time they will is if the gears get so worn or chipped that it jumps a tooth. And that doesn't come across as slipping ...... it's more of a sudden drop in pitch.
Slipping out of tune is usually windings tightening around the post or if you use a trem it's the trem not going back to exactly where it was.
Fender trems are pretty bad about this.
You can also have a neck that's more flexible than others which lets it flex back and forth as you play and move the neck around without even realizing it. SG's are really bad about this with that long unsupported mahogany 'flexi-neck'.

I'm not saying buy the cheapest tuners ..... better ones make getting in tune easier and smoother and even quicker sometimes.
But once it's in tune ...... the gears simply aren't going to slip.
 
most people mistake tuners slipping with what is going on at the nut and the saddle. If the string moves freely over them there will be no problem. I've had two in this week already that the owners were convinced were bad tuners. One even had them swapped out in store only to find he still had the same problem.
 
muttley600 said:
most people mistake tuners slipping with what is going on at the nut and the saddle. If the string moves freely over them there will be no problem. I've had two in this week already that the owners were convinced were bad tuners. One even had them swapped out in store only to find he still had the same problem.
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And like I said earlier, the winding around the string ball if you are hitting a trem really hard. I used to, and I would put a drop of solder at the string end windings (ball end :) ) and it seemed to keep them in tune. Of course, on serious trems, the nut end was usually locking so not an issue, and Kahlers were no exception.
 
Seeker of Rock said:
I used to, and I would put a drop of solder at the string end windings (ball end :) ) and it seemed to keep them in tune.
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Or did I do that to keep them from breaking? Fuck if I remember. I know it did something good in heavy trem use, but I was too drunk during that period to remember what. :)
 
Seeker of Rock said:
And like I said earlier, the winding around the string ball if you are hitting a trem really hard. I used to, and I would put a drop of solder at the string end windings (ball end :) ) and it seemed to keep them in tune. Of course, on serious trems, the nut end was usually locking so not an issue, and Kahlers were no exception.
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Most guitars with a trem will hold tune if the guitar is set up right. If you do a lot of heavy vibrato/trem stuff then sure you need to have it right on the money and from the sound of it you have a system that works for you which is all that really matters. At the end of the day all we ask is that our instruments work as we want them to.

For the benefit of others this has nothing to do with machine heads though. They either work or they don't.
 
The floating trem on my new strat was weirding me out a bit until I figured out how it works.

Since the tension of the strings suspends the bridge floating in space and time, when you bend one string,
the change in tension pulls the bridge up a bit, causing the other strings to go flat.

I have to mute the other strings when I am doing string bends.

It's pretty cool to think how subtle some of these thing are.
 
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