The New Tone Thread

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well ..... ALL tuners stay in place ..... the only real difference is that some are, as you said, smoother and so make fine tuning easier.
But I see all the time people talk about tuners slipping ....... they don't ........... period.
A worm gear like that can not slip ............ unless you have a broken tooth.

Don't believe me? Ask muttley.

And I hate those plastic cases ...... everything you said about them be's true. And a pocket with no lid? How dumb is that?
 
It could all be my imagination,
but I think there was a period in the 80's where American guitar quality went downhill.

The manufacturers later looked around and saw that real musicians weren't buying it,
they were just continuing to play the quality vintage guitars that had come out in
the previous decades.

So, they had to re-up and get the quality back to regain the business.

What were then "off brands" (such as Ibanez), then gained entry,
and forced the American companies to get it together.
 
Lt. Bob said:
..... the only real difference is that some are, as you said, smoother and so make fine tuning easier.
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Don't some tuners have different gear ratios or something? I mean, it seems like, in addition to being smoother, higher quality tuners have the capacity to make finer adjustments. Maybe that's just a function of smoothness, but I always thought the gears were slightly different or something...

The tuners on my guitars really suck, but I've been reluctant to replace them as I think it might somehow tarnish the vintage thing I've got going on or something like that.
 
heatmiser said:
Don't some tuners have different gear ratios or something?
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yep .... absolutely ...... that's another part of why some tuners feel better than others and are smoother and allow finer adjustments.
There is no doubt that good tuners are far superior to cheap ones and I think are worth every penny.

but none of them, even the cheapest, 'slip'.
 
As Lt has said standard tuners will never slip. The ratio thing is for me purely one of choice. Some very anal players prefer higher ratio on shorter scale length guitars. Doesn't matter to me. I stick gotoh 510 on all mine unless asked for some thing else. The only time in 30 years and tens of thousands of instruments I've had tuners slip is when the gear teeth are shot. At that point they simply don't work anymore. Thats rare and then I either swap out the full set or replace the gear. Job done.
 
The Fender tuners on my '02 Strat are nice. Even better are the Grover "kidney" tuners on my LP and Taylor. Those move like butter. The ones on my '80s Strat would stick, so when I would tune them in micro increments they would "snap" out of their current position, and the force required to move them usually meant I over-torqued them thus making tuning a chore. It is like someone poured pancake syrup into the gears long ago and when they sat for more than a couple of days, they would stick in their current position.

Thank God I never modded my Marshall(and was considering it at one point), because that Strat ended up getting a Seymour Duncan pickup and a Kahler locking trem before I realized it just wasn't pointy enough to do my '80s metal for me. :) Never would do that to a respectable instrument today, but at the time I was poor (poorer)and did what I had to do to make the gear I had work for me.
 
The tuners on my 'cello are pretty nice BUT very tricky to use - pull out, turn a little, push back in & check! If they slip I have a little stick of carbon grit to help them grip a little better.That's tradition for ya!
 
Lt. Bob said:
well ..... ALL tuners stay in place ..... the only real difference is that some are, as you said, smoother and so make fine tuning easier.
But I see all the time people talk about tuners slipping ....... they don't ........... period.
A worm gear like that can not slip ............ unless you have a broken tooth.

Don't believe me? Ask muttley.

And I hate those plastic cases ...... everything you said about them be's true. And a pocket with no lid? How dumb is that?
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To say that all tuners stay in place is patently false.

With enough string tension (broken tooth aside) worm gears that aren't precison machined to close tolerances can be back driven....and slip.

Precision made tuners are worth every dollar you pay for.

I've equipped a few of my guitars with Schaeller (sp?) 18:1 ratio tuners made in Germany.

It's like anything else.....you get what you pay for.
 
What are mechanical tuners? :confused:


I thought everyone used wooden pegs. :D
 
muttley600 said:
As Lt has said standard tuners will never slip. The ratio thing is for me purely one of choice. Some very anal players prefer higher ratio on shorter scale length guitars. Doesn't matter to me. I stick gotoh 510 on all mine unless asked for some thing else. The only time in 30 years and tens of thousands of instruments I've had tuners slip is when the gear teeth are shot. At that point they simply don't work anymore. Thats rare and then I either swap out the full set or replace the gear. Job done.
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I've only built a couple guitars, but thanks to Muttley, I used Gotoh 510's. No complaints here. (And they're purdy.)
 
Seeker of Rock said:
Cool. What is your chain? Not the riff itself, but the tone reminds me a little of EVH circa the 5150 album.
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Sounds like a cranked Twin and an LP jr. In this day and age it could be any fuckin' thing but it's got that Leslie West feel with a cleaner edge.
 
I highly recommend bugging these guys and telling them to make more pedals and speed it up. Union Tube and Transistor. You can only find them on stupid Facebook because they're too lazy to make a proper site. (Edit. wouldn't let me post the URL...) I don't work for them, although, full disclosure, one of them owes me a bit of money... Anyway, the "More" pedal is just amazing. And Jack White, Neil Young, The Edge and a few other popular names are using them as we type. Honest. Tone!
 
Seeker of Rock said:
Cool. What is your chain? Not the riff itself, but the tone reminds me a little of EVH circa the 5150 album.
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Sky Blue Lou said:
Now that's some tone.

Give up the goods, dude. Axe, amp, pedals, cab, mic. Divulge Mister.
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Sky Blue Lou said:
Sounds like a cranked Twin and an LP jr. In this day and age it could be any fuckin' thing but it's got that Leslie West feel with a cleaner edge.
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Thanks for the kind words gents. I hope you're not disappointed in me--but it's an amp sim. Of course the guitar is real--homemade (here it is). Heavy slab of mahogany with a maple cap and a double humbucker, so the response is very Les Paul-like.

I used to be a POD guy, but after I built my studio I started collecting amps and mics and pedals. And believe me, I love amps and mics and pedals! But I might be making a major move--one that loses the studio, and gains some time--as in time to play. So I started checking out sims figuring they'd advanced beyond my old POD by now.

It occurred to me that if I used an in-the-box-sim, I could have the added benefit of tweaking (or altogether changing) my guitar sounds after I got into the mix--instead of being stuck with whatever sound I had tracked from the POD. But last time I tried a plug in sim, I wasn't impressed. Needless to say--I'm impressed now. I'll cry when I put all the studio gear in storage, but at least I'll be able to still play somehow, somewhere.

BTW--This modeler is TH2 by Overloud. There's a number of impressive ones out there, but I had my requirements and this fit the bill. And it's vey detailed--I actually could list for you the pedals, the amp head, the cab, the mics, the mics position--though none of that means as much to a tone thread when it's settings on a sim.
 
Nice sound WS, just goes to show, ampsims have came a long way in the last few years. I often wonder if it's even worth it for me to use a real amp/mic, when the software route is so much easier (for me), & can actually sound this good.....


Again, nice sound!!!
 
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