The New Tone Thread

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Your tone officially doesn't suck. Congratulations sir.

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CrowsofFritz said:
I'm very late to this thread. Here's me playing my newest Flamenco guitar. It's a Cordoba 45fp. I have to get used to this thing because it's just so much bigger than my other flamenco guitar.

Track is completely raw... with the exception of reverb of course. :D I really like the sound of the slow playing after my mediocre attempt of a Fandango.

What are y'all's thoughts?



Here's a picture of the beauty.


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I like your geetar playing.
The other thread has a great example.

While I am not a fan of classical guitars,
that one sounds good.

But, like EVH, I'm going to say that
it is in the hands.

I was classically trained, BTW, good work!

Welcome to the tone thread.
 
Telegram Sam said:
I like your geetar playing.
The other thread has a great example.

While I am not a fan of classical guitars,
that one sounds good.

But, like EVH, I'm going to say that
it is in the hands.

I was classically trained, BTW, good work!

Welcome to the tone thread.
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It's not a classical guitar, it's a flamenco. :mad:

lol! I kid, I kid.

Yeah, a lot of it is in the hands when it comes to this. I would rather hear Grisha Goryachev with a cheap Yamaha than myself playing the greatest flamenco made.

Thank you very much!
 
the joey wav won't open without quicktime so I won't be opening it. Sorry.
O did listen to the MP3s and have to ask what am I listening for. All I hear is effect - no guitar at all. Is it meant for death metal or something?
What does KlOpS offer?
 
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rayc said:
the joey wav won't open without quicktime so I won't be opening it. Sorry.
O did listen to the MP3s and have to ask what am I listening for. All I hear is effect - no guitar at all. Is it meant for death metal or something?
What does KlOpS offer?
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copy the paste in wmp but quicktime player sounds better..

KlOps is a death trap for waves..its not a speaker cab ..the speaker is not even mounted ..

any sound off the back of that speaker is killed...
also when recording the other speakers you have on when recording are making serious noise..and ad a layer of crap over your tone..

In a KlOps you only have the 1x12 and your micing what ur preamp is hearing..and you can ad any amount of eq you want without the mud.. from a cab

also for death metal...they also put on their own show..so lights , fog and some riffage ..Klops will freak people out..



Its common sense to think what about the low end from a cab..well that low end covers up your mids and highs and even your low end..so your tricking it..

your recording a flat response and simply add the bass after the recording..
 
joeydahlia said:
copy the paste in wmp but quicktime player sounds better..

KlOps is a death trap for waves..its not a speaker cab ..the speaker is not even mounted ..

any sound off the back of that speaker is killed...
also when recording the other speakers you have on when recording are making serious noise..and ad a layer of crap over your tone..

In a KlOps you only have the 1x12 and your micing what ur preamp is hearing..and you can ad any amount of eq you want without the mud.. from a cab

also for death metal...they also put on their own show..so lights , fog and some riffage ..Klops will freak people out..



Its common sense to think what about the low end from a cab..well that low end covers up your mids and highs and even your low end..so your tricking it..

your recording a flat response and simply add the bass after the recording..
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every single thing you've said in this post in incorrect.
 
Lt. Bob said:
I still say it's a Victory Pete alias.
He's the only person I've seen that can come up with complete garbage and defend it to the smallest detail of wrongness.

Look guys ..... do a google on his name.
You'll find a lot of other forums where absolutely every objection we've raised has come up also.
He's just as close-minded to them too.

He has an interesting idea but he's one of these guys that believes his thinking is perfect and there are no valid objections.
he names them KLOPS drums even though that'll make 75% of his potential customers just skip by them. They're a speaker cab ....... period.
If I were looking for an interesting different speaker cab I wouldn't give something named drums a second glance ......... would you?
But no ...... that's the name he's going with because nothing can be changed or tweaked or altered once his infinitely perfect mind has come up with it.

He keeps saying we all want to get rid of bass reinforcement when most of us are looking to get a little more of it.

He makes statements concerning the raw speakers he uses that are always incorrect ..... he shows a complete lack of knowledge about everything and from the way he responds to posts he either has a mental handicap or is well below the average IQ level since he doesn't even understand some of the simplest questions people ask.

There's no point in responding to him.
Please for God's sake ....... everyone put him on ignore ....... since he has no respect for us saying he's not welcome in this thread with his absolutely atrocious tone, poor playing and closed mind ...... and the MODS will protect this doofus because they apparently LIKE someone spreading disinformation on their supposedly information driven site ...... maybe if no one ever responds to him again he'll go away with his dumb cabs.
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when you add bass in a cab the echoes goes on for ever...and that bass interferes with your guitar tone...so simply record without the echoes....how hard is that to understand..
 
CrowsofFritz said:
What are y'all's thoughts?
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I hear a lot of Flamenco guitar playing down here in the Miami area, and this is up with the best of them. Guitar sounds good (maybe a touch more low end/mid could be captured in the recording and backed off the ultra high freqs just a tad?), reverb is done tastefully and the playing is divine.
 
joeydahlia said:
http://joeydahlia.com/6262INF.wav

still does not sound like true wave...thru wmp but this is better then mp3
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Sounds pretty good and I can hear it now that the reverb isn't masking it. Your playing is very '80s metal, not that there is anything wrong with that, but that is the sound I hear through your demo clips. I think there is a resurgence of appreciation for '80s metal, so your timing may be good for marketing this right now. I don't know about live use, but if I were back in my '80s original band, I could see myself recording with something like this.

I would love to hear a clip of your Klops and a clip of a mic'd cab next to each other. Imo, this would further help you market the product with people being able to hear the differences between Klops and a regular speaker cab.
 
Seeker of Rock said:
Sounds pretty good and I can hear it now that the reverb isn't masking it. Your playing is very '80s metal, not that there is anything wrong with that, but that is the sound I hear through your demo clips. I think there is a resurgence of appreciation for '80s metal, so your timing may be good for marketing this right now. I don't know about live use, but if I were back in my '80s original band, I could see myself recording with something like this.

I would love to hear a clip of your Klops and a clip of a mic'd cab next to each other. Imo, this would further help you market the product with people being able to hear the differences between Klops and a regular speaker cab.
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oh live is just as important...
if you take a 4x12 on stage with you and mic 1 speaker...the audience is only getting a 1x12 with the noise from the other 3 speakers..

so a KlOps 1x12 is really all you need...but if you like 4 times the signal..you can mic a KLoPS 4X12 and mic all 4 speakers and send that signal into the PA not for the 1st time ever your audience is getting a real 4x12 signal ..

and you can shut of any speaker also...so you can have any speaker set up you want..and use them at any time...I call it " speaker audition " selecting any speaker or combination of speaker in real time..

dont forget they are all independent !
 
Seeker of Rock said:
I hear a lot of Flamenco guitar playing down here in the Miami area, and this is up with the best of them. Guitar sounds good (maybe a touch more low end/mid could be captured in the recording and backed off the ultra high freqs just a tad?), reverb is done tastefully and the playing is divine.
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Thanks! Still trying to find that sweet spot with the mic.
 
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CrowsofFritz said:
Thanks! Still trying to find that sweet spot with the mic.
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stay away from the dust cover..there is no dynamics there....the sound rolls off downward and outward....

so off axis is bright with less bass and then the mic 2 inches away from the dust cover and 1 inch off the speaker is my sweet spot...if I move the mic at all..I lose attack ...

what mic are you using?

I use the mxl69 tube mic...the sm57 is ok to use..but to pick up the hidden vibrations you need a high quality mic..the 57 capsule is hidden from sound so it has to listen for vibrations...thats why is was perfect for the last gazillion years...

but it wont hear the rattle of the strings...
 
Lol, I thought you said you are not and never will be good at recording, so your veracity is running kinda thin.

Fair enough...

I used an MXL 4000. About 2 feet away from the mic. Eye level. Figure 8 pattern. I'll probably try Omni, as my room has a fairly decent sound.

The SM57 is great for classical guitar, but not flamenco. Does't capture the attack that well.
 
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I'd like to say thank you to the mod, or administrator who saw fit to re-open this thread. It's a shame that such an informative, and helpful topic can be derailed by a single ridiculous voice.
 
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