The New Tone Thread

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Greg_L said:
Okay, here's some clips miking my entryway.

First thing I did was roll a cab out there and laid it down so it was pointing up into the universe.


Then I ran upstairs and hung some SDCs over the upstairs railing. One pointing up, one pointing down. The up one was with the idea of catching ceiling reflections, the down one was, well, down towards the cab.

Death from above...


Death from below?


So here's the clips.

Gibson Angus SG - signature Angus bridge pickup
Marshall 1987 50w Plexi reissue
Presence - 6
Bass - 0
Mid - 7
Treb - 7
Vol 1 - 10
Vol 2 - 0
High input 1 only
Marshall 1960B 4x12 - Celestion G12-65
SM 57 on axis, on grill, about halfway to edge
Two Audix ADX51 SDCs about 25 feet away
No EQ or processing in DAW

So first up, just the close mic by itself:
Close mic

Next, close mic center + "Up" room mic panned left:
Close center, up room mic L

Next, close mic center, "down" room mic panned right:
Close center, down room mic R

Next, close mic center, up panned left, down panned right, all tracks balanced 100% equal:
Close center, up left, down right, all equal

Last, close mic center, up mic panned left, down mic panned right, room mics dropped -4db:
Close center, up left, down right, room mics dropped -4db

I made the mistake of not bouncing out the room mic tracks by themselves, so sorry bout that. This is what I got.

The takeaway for me, it's not worth it. It's not worth the trouble. And just about everything in the house rattled under the crushing weight of cranked Plexi. I spent a good amount of time just securing everything that rattled. Maybe if I had bigger and better space I'd like it better, but not like this. Hey, I gave it a try. My drums do better out there than loud cabs. One more thing I can try is leave the cab upright and mic the hallway leading out of the entryway. I have done that many times for other people and the results have been good. I've just never done it for my own stuff.
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Just got around to listening to these. Sounds like you've chucked the cab down a well... which I suppose you have.

The best one is the last one with the -4db on the reverb. It does just sound like a really good room impulse though. I can understand why you said that its not worth the pain in the arse factor.

Cheers for giving that a go though - I don't think I'll be fucking with it any time soon.
 
Well don't not try it just because my results aren't mind-blowing. Maybe your room has something better about it than my gigantic hallway. Unlikely, but you won't know unless you try. I don't hate my results, but like I said, the results aren't worth the hassle for me since I don't go for a lot of room sound anyway.


So I went on some surf guitar forums to lurk and search and see what most of those guys are using. The list was varied. One amp smacked me in the face as a no-brainer and I smacked myself again for not thinking of this amp because I already fucking knew about it and have had experience with it - Fender Bandmaster Reverb. 40-60 watts, depending on the year, reverb, trem, all the good shit about a Fender amp....and it's a head. Boom. I need one.
 
Well, I finally got around to recording a my little Peavey Bravo tube amp.

The first file is my strat going into the bravo and using the 2/12 fender speaker open back cab that used to be my deville.
The guitar starts out on the in between pickup 3 and 4 position.
Amp on channel 1 (clean).
Then I boost the clean volume a little and use the middle pickup on some countryfied boogie woogie.
Then I go to channel 2 and set the pre-gain to 3 for some blues licks...Then I turn the pre up to 5 for a few more blues licks.
Then I turn the pre up to 7. and play a bit of the star spangled banner.
You can hear in the middle of the star spangled banner I switch to channel 3 (more drive).

I had the bass on 6 the mids on 4 and the treble on 7 for all tracks without changing.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8hhauqj8zbqh16o/bravo test.wav?dl=0


The next file is my Clownburst LP copy Bridge pickup) into the bravo using the 4/12 altec cab loaded with vintage Rola speakers (I didn't use the clean channel this time.
It starts out with the pre gain on 3 for a Led Zep riff.
Then I turn the pre gain up to 4 and play the back in black riff...
Then I turn the pre to 6 and play the Nugent Hey Baby riff.
Then I switch to the front pickup and do some noodling. Then I go the higher gain channel 3 and do some half assed palm muted heavy gain guitar.
I don't know any heavy guitar riffs for that type of gain but wanted to demonstrate what the amp sounds like in that mode.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xeccq96v6ufhac7/bravo lp test.wav?dl=0

I recorded these tracks with a shure sm 57 close to the speaker cocked towards the speaker edge and a EV re 410 hand held condensor kind of close but aimed at the floor. I adjusted the levels with more of the 57 in the mix qnd left both tracks panned dead center.
 
jimistone said:
Well, I finally got around to recording a my little Peavey Bravo tube amp.

The first file is my strat going into the bravo and using the 2/12 fender speaker open back cab that used to be my deville.
The guitar starts out on the in between pickup 3 and 4 position.
Amp on channel 1 (clean).
Then I boost the clean volume a little and use the middle pickup on some countryfied boogie woogie.
Then I go to channel 2 and set the pre-gain to 3 for some blues licks...Then I turn the pre up to 5 for a few more blues licks.
Then I turn the pre up to 7. and play a bit of the star spangled banner.
You can hear in the middle of the star spangled banner I switch to channel 3 (more drive).

I had the bass on 6 the mids on 4 and the treble on 7 for all tracks without changing.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8hhauqj8zbqh16o/bravo test.wav?dl=0


The next file is my Clownburst LP copy Bridge pickup) into the bravo using the 4/12 altec cab loaded with vintage Rola speakers (I didn't use the clean channel this time.
It starts out with the pre gain on 3 for a Led Zep riff.
Then I turn the pre gain up to 4 and play the back in black riff...
Then I turn the pre to 6 and play the Nugent Hey Baby riff.
Then I switch to the front pickup and do some noodling. Then I go the higher gain channel 3 and do some half assed palm muted heavy gain guitar.
I don't know any heavy guitar riffs for that type of gain but wanted to demonstrate what the amp sounds like in that mode.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xeccq96v6ufhac7/bravo lp test.wav?dl=0

I recorded these tracks with a shure sm 57 close to the speaker cocked towards the speaker edge and a EV re 410 hand held condensor kind of close but aimed at the floor. I adjusted the levels with more of the 57 in the mix qnd left both tracks panned dead center.
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Hey I really liked your Strat clip. Nice slinky spanky Strat blues rock tones there.

I wasn't crazy about the LP copy/Bandit pairing. Sounded kind of thin and cheap to me, like it was driven with a pedal.
 
JDOD said:
Afternoon guys, been meaning to start rerecording this for ages, one of the heavier songs I've done but I don't want it to be too gainy. Started re-tracking it this afternoon.

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I'm not crazy about the Daaaa Daaa Da Da rhythms. The scratchy boxiness is back with a vengeance. They don't sound heavy to me. They sound boxy. All of the accent and filler guitars are good to me though. Nice pickslides. :D
 
JDOD said:
Afternoon guys, been meaning to start rerecording this for ages, one of the heavier songs I've done but I don't want it to be too gainy. Started re-tracking it this afternoon.

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Cool, a bit dark but I dont mind the choppy stuff. I really need to start messing around with guitar tones someday.


Greg, that's a cool idea, too much effort for me though lol!


I had a little idea the other day and ran with it and decided to record it. The first part I had just came up with then the rest I did on the fly, nothing special but you get the idea. Im running my guitar into an a/b/y pedal and one side is running into a cheap delay/looper pedal then into an Orange Dual Terror on the Tuny Terror Channel running a Marshall 1x12 cab. The other side of that a/b/y is going to my Blackstar ht20 and Orange 1x12 with a HoF reverb in the loop. The Orange cab is miked with a es-57 and the Marshall cab with an e609. Then just did a very quick mix, I had very little time to play, maybe did this all in 40 between coming up with it, playing/recording it, mixing it then syncing my phone video to the audio. The first thing you hear is the Dual Terror then I play over that with the Blackstar's clean and dirty channel.


 
jimistone said:
Well, I finally got around to recording a my little Peavey Bravo tube amp.

The first file is my strat going into the bravo and using the 2/12 fender speaker open back cab that used to be my deville.
The guitar starts out on the in between pickup 3 and 4 position.
Amp on channel 1 (clean).
Then I boost the clean volume a little and use the middle pickup on some countryfied boogie woogie.
Then I go to channel 2 and set the pre-gain to 3 for some blues licks...Then I turn the pre up to 5 for a few more blues licks.
Then I turn the pre up to 7. and play a bit of the star spangled banner.
You can hear in the middle of the star spangled banner I switch to channel 3 (more drive).

I had the bass on 6 the mids on 4 and the treble on 7 for all tracks without changing.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8hhauqj8zbqh16o/bravo test.wav?dl=0


The next file is my Clownburst LP copy Bridge pickup) into the bravo using the 4/12 altec cab loaded with vintage Rola speakers (I didn't use the clean channel this time.
It starts out with the pre gain on 3 for a Led Zep riff.
Then I turn the pre gain up to 4 and play the back in black riff...
Then I turn the pre to 6 and play the Nugent Hey Baby riff.
Then I switch to the front pickup and do some noodling. Then I go the higher gain channel 3 and do some half assed palm muted heavy gain guitar.
I don't know any heavy guitar riffs for that type of gain but wanted to demonstrate what the amp sounds like in that mode.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xeccq96v6ufhac7/bravo lp test.wav?dl=0

I recorded these tracks with a shure sm 57 close to the speaker cocked towards the speaker edge and a EV re 410 hand held condensor kind of close but aimed at the floor. I adjusted the levels with more of the 57 in the mix qnd left both tracks panned dead center.
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the clean sounded quite nice .... really nice!
You could use that clean anywhere.

..... the dirty track sounded awful during the single note stuff ..... a bit better for the palm muted stuff but not good.
 
JDOD said:
Afternoon guys, been meaning to start rerecording this for ages, one of the heavier songs I've done but I don't want it to be too gainy. Started re-tracking it this afternoon.

View attachment 97891
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nice feedbak after the slides (which are very nice as Greg pointed out ) ...... I kinda like the tones here ..... no, they're not bottom heavy like that genre usually is but that's one of the things I don't like about that genre.
I like a bit more mids ..... so I like this ..... my ears are shot from gigging though so I'll revisit it later
 
My ears are shot cos I've been tracking for two hours! I'll listen back later cos that sounded fucking heavy at the time. I wanna listen to jimis new amp too, seems like he's given it the full work out.

What I did for these was change the ISF between takes. I think the left guitars are 2/3s US and the right guitars are 3/4s US. seems to be a good way of mixing things up when I'm away and don't have loads of guitars handy.
 
jimistone said:
Well, I finally got around to recording a my little Peavey Bravo tube amp.

The first file is my strat going into the bravo and using the 2/12 fender speaker open back cab that used to be my deville.
The guitar starts out on the in between pickup 3 and 4 position.
Amp on channel 1 (clean).
Then I boost the clean volume a little and use the middle pickup on some countryfied boogie woogie.
Then I go to channel 2 and set the pre-gain to 3 for some blues licks...Then I turn the pre up to 5 for a few more blues licks.
Then I turn the pre up to 7. and play a bit of the star spangled banner.
You can hear in the middle of the star spangled banner I switch to channel 3 (more drive).

I had the bass on 6 the mids on 4 and the treble on 7 for all tracks without changing.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8hhauqj8zbqh16o/bravo test.wav?dl=0


The next file is my Clownburst LP copy Bridge pickup) into the bravo using the 4/12 altec cab loaded with vintage Rola speakers (I didn't use the clean channel this time.
It starts out with the pre gain on 3 for a Led Zep riff.
Then I turn the pre gain up to 4 and play the back in black riff...
Then I turn the pre to 6 and play the Nugent Hey Baby riff.
Then I switch to the front pickup and do some noodling. Then I go the higher gain channel 3 and do some half assed palm muted heavy gain guitar.
I don't know any heavy guitar riffs for that type of gain but wanted to demonstrate what the amp sounds like in that mode.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xeccq96v6ufhac7/bravo lp test.wav?dl=0

I recorded these tracks with a shure sm 57 close to the speaker cocked towards the speaker edge and a EV re 410 hand held condensor kind of close but aimed at the floor. I adjusted the levels with more of the 57 in the mix qnd left both tracks panned dead center.
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That amp works well with a strat.:D on clean/cleanish. Never been toi much a fan of peavey dirt tones.
 
@JDOD. The heavy stuff sounds a bit Collective Soul (ish) would be more so if layered. To me the backing guitars sound real nice. But i dig feedback and pick slide shit. :D
 
jimistone said:
Well, I finally got around to recording a my little Peavey Bravo tube amp.

The first file is my strat going into the bravo and using the 2/12 fender speaker open back cab that used to be my deville.
The guitar starts out on the in between pickup 3 and 4 position.
Amp on channel 1 (clean).
Then I boost the clean volume a little and use the middle pickup on some countryfied boogie woogie.
Then I go to channel 2 and set the pre-gain to 3 for some blues licks...Then I turn the pre up to 5 for a few more blues licks.
Then I turn the pre up to 7. and play a bit of the star spangled banner.
You can hear in the middle of the star spangled banner I switch to channel 3 (more drive).

I had the bass on 6 the mids on 4 and the treble on 7 for all tracks without changing.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/8hhauqj8zbqh16o/bravo test.wav?dl=0


The next file is my Clownburst LP copy Bridge pickup) into the bravo using the 4/12 altec cab loaded with vintage Rola speakers (I didn't use the clean channel this time.
It starts out with the pre gain on 3 for a Led Zep riff.
Then I turn the pre gain up to 4 and play the back in black riff...
Then I turn the pre to 6 and play the Nugent Hey Baby riff.
Then I switch to the front pickup and do some noodling. Then I go the higher gain channel 3 and do some half assed palm muted heavy gain guitar.
I don't know any heavy guitar riffs for that type of gain but wanted to demonstrate what the amp sounds like in that mode.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/xeccq96v6ufhac7/bravo lp test.wav?dl=0

I recorded these tracks with a shure sm 57 close to the speaker cocked towards the speaker edge and a EV re 410 hand held condensor kind of close but aimed at the floor. I adjusted the levels with more of the 57 in the mix qnd left both tracks panned dead center.
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Clean stuff sounds great.
I really like the tone for the blues licks you seem to pretty close on that one already.
To be honest - as much as I don't like SSB - the tone is fucking cool!

This amp seems to have been a pretty good buy - you'll be getting some great stuff out of this.

Hmm, not so sure about the tone with the Les Paul - the attack sounds a bit too harsh and on the BIB riff there's a think muddy tone in the background on the low bits. Sounds pretty good when you're noodling though - this might make a good blues tone.

Don't like the heavy tone - sounds way too scooped on the chugging - sounds almost simmy.

Seems like there's plenty of tones in that amp though and you'll start getting good stuff down pretty quickly - you're already pretty much there with the strat tones.

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RFR said:
@JDOD. The heavy stuff sounds a bit Collective Soul (ish) would be more so if layered. To me the backing guitars sound real nice. But i dig feedback and pick slide shit. :D
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Never heard of them but I'll look them up - gonna listen back now I've given my ears a rest and had some dinner.
 
Re - The Boxyness. I could see what you were getting at with that. A hint of reverb seems to have help - they were very dry before.
Strange how this room seems to be boxier and dryer than my room at home. Suppose its smaller and there's a carpet a sofa and a bed in here. At home I have a hard floor and sofa but just far less "stuff" in a small space.
 
liv_rong said:
Cool, a bit dark but I dont mind the choppy stuff. I really need to start messing around with guitar tones someday.


Greg, that's a cool idea, too much effort for me though lol!


I had a little idea the other day and ran with it and decided to record it. The first part I had just came up with then the rest I did on the fly, nothing special but you get the idea. Im running my guitar into an a/b/y pedal and one side is running into a cheap delay/looper pedal then into an Orange Dual Terror on the Tuny Terror Channel running a Marshall 1x12 cab. The other side of that a/b/y is going to my Blackstar ht20 and Orange 1x12 with a HoF reverb in the loop. The Orange cab is miked with a es-57 and the Marshall cab with an e609. Then just did a very quick mix, I had very little time to play, maybe did this all in 40 between coming up with it, playing/recording it, mixing it then syncing my phone video to the audio. The first thing you hear is the Dual Terror then I play over that with the Blackstar's clean and dirty channel.


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That's a really cool idea - you could easily clean that up and turn it into a full track. Your Studio 20 sounds reassuringly similar to mine!
 
Greg_L said:
I'm not crazy about the Daaaa Daaa Da Da rhythms. The scratchy boxiness is back with a vengeance. They don't sound heavy to me. They sound boxy. All of the accent and filler guitars are good to me though. Nice pickslides. :D
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Everyone loves a pickslide - I fumbled my pick on one of them and it puts the pickslides on each side out of time with eachother which just sounds cool.
 
Thanks guys.
I pretty much agree that the LP clone into the bravo with the 4/12 cab isn't good. It's those Rola speakers man! The strat even sounds like shit through that cab. I wanted to like them....because they,are vintage speakers and original to the cab. But every speaker has been repaired with fingernail polish and they just don't sound good anymore. Also the set of Tonrider humbuckers that I got for my Les Paul copy are alnico 4. Every alnico 2 humbucker set I've ever had is flabby and too bassy on the neck pickup and the bridge pickup sounds really good. Alnico 4 is supposed to be brighter so I decided to give it a shot. Now the neck pickup sounds really good the way I think a neck pickup is supposed to sound but the bridge pickup is shrill and thin. Luckily you can buy just one pickup from tonerider so I'm going to get a alnico 2 bridge pickup.
That's what I've started to do in the first place.

I have a Tele project but I'm going to use the alnico 4 in the neck position

Anyway, I'll record some clips of the clownburst going to the open back Fender cabinet that I used on the strat
 
Jimi: Dude I really, really like those strat tones, especially the middle part when you kick the gain up, the SRV/Hendrix licks in particular...It captures "that" strat sound IMO...Super job on that part...

I'm not crazy about the LP tones, but with some tweaking could fit into a mix pretty easily...Well done!!!

Jdod: Tones are a little boxy as mentioned, but not terrible dude...You've come a long way in a short time on everything, not just the guitar tones, so keep at it man...

I cannot believe you haven't heard of Collective Soul dude...They were pretty big in the early 90's, & had a couple/few songs I still like today...

Liv: Cool vid man, I like the dirt tones on the left side best, but the clean sounds are good too...Like Jdude mentioned, you could turn this into a song pretty easily...
 
They actually came back last year with a new release .
I'm sure there are gonna be people that shit talk them here, but they're a good band and got some great guitar tones recorded.
I like em. Fuck everyone else. :D
 
I don't know any of their songs but I know them by name and I think they're from Atlanta? If so, I hate them.
 
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