The New Tone Thread

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Bubba po said:
Here's a useful Infographic I came across today. It may help us to discuss our tones more accurately.
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It would be really nice if we could define all the terms without referring to yet more subjective terms.
 
JDOD said:
I think that sounds really good, Bubba.

Not sure of the song but the bluesy rhythm riff with all the gain on it sounds quite low and rumbley to me.

The lead stuff that comes in at about 1:25 sounds great. Are you wigging a knob back and forth there or can we just hear your fingers on the fretboard?
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Just the fingers on the fretboard. On my practice takes I got really nice controlled feedback there, which I was trying to induce. On the proper take the bloody thing refused to play ball. Typical! :cursing:And I agree about the rumble. I may have to roll that back a little more.

Here's a better take of the same solo.


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That sounds great, Bubba. I love a bit of feedback... although I seem to be incorporating feedback into pretty much everything I record at the moment - my amp (at least with the R50 speaker) tended to go into quite a nice musical feedback - I hope its the same when I start recording with the V30.
 
Track Rat said:
Lt Bob, a few months back we had a very short exchange about a Kustom 72 Coupe I recently picked up. This is it in clean mode with a Strat. VERY Fender sounding to me.
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Tha IS very Fendery ..... those things were real cheap at one point.
I should have snapped one up.
Very nice.
Who's the band?
 
Bubba .... now that sounds great to me.

I can hear the amp ALMOST feeding back like you want it to .... sounds awesome ..... nice bit of 'bonk' to it ..... really good sounding.
 
Tad: Thanks for the heads-up yet again dude, gonna keep an eye out...

Greg: I wouldn't mind a combo, that really wouldn't matter to me, as long as it's an un-modded, original JCM 800. This amp will be on down the road, probably a few months off at least, as my main concern right now is getting my Chupa back. Just a few more weeks dude, & I'm almost as excited about getting it back as I was when I first bought it because I already know I love the tones it does...I'm still gonna keep an eye out for an 800 though, I did see one on my local CL, but the guy wanted $1400 or 1500 for it IIRC...

Track Rat: That does sound really Fender-y dude...I actually cut my gigging teeth on stuff like that when I was about 16 years old...Hard to believe that's been 30 years this fall...Sounds pretty good dude...

Armistice: Sorry dude, can't help with the p'up...Maybe contact Gibson like the Gerg mentioned??? Dunno dude....sorry...

Ray: That looks like a great deal to me. I see a little issue with the pickguard not matching the little piece over the neck p'up, but that's purely cosmetic, & wouldn't affect the playing at all...I say go for it if you want it dude, look at the neck pretty good before you take off, but again, looks like a really good deal to me...

Bubba: Both clips sound good, & I can hear the bumped mids for the solo/lead part, so I think it'd be enough to distinguish the 2 tones dude...sounds good....On the feedback thing, give the amp's volume a little clockwise twist dude, & it'll happen. I finally learned that with my DSL not long ago, especially since I've been using less gain with the SG. I can usually get my setup to do that with the volume around 3 or so, but I sit pretty much right in front of my amp when I play/record, so that may make a difference too....Sounds good!!!

JDOD: The pic/graph Bubba posted is about as explanatory as you can get IMO dude...Just take your time looking at the frequencies, & think about what it says...
 
Greg_L said:
Nice blossoming feedback in there. Are you using the amp's reverb?
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Yes, I just recorded using my live tones and I feel a bit of reverb halo always gives a better impact to a live solo. It's not bad for a digital verb, but I have to say I prefer the TSL's spring tank.

JDOD said:
That sounds great, Bubba. I love a bit of feedback... although I seem to be incorporating feedback into pretty much everything I record at the moment - my amp (at least with the R50 speaker) tended to go into quite a nice musical feedback - I hope its the same when I start recording with the V30.
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Thanks, I get the feedback easier with my other humbucking guitar. I think the pups could stand to be a little hotter. I think the V30 will do it more easily for you, to be honest.

Lt. Bob said:
Bubba .... now that sounds great to me.

I can hear the amp ALMOST feeding back like you want it to .... sounds awesome ..... nice bit of 'bonk' to it ..... really good sounding.
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Great, thanks Bob. :D

minerman said:
Bubba: Both clips sound good, & I can hear the bumped mids for the solo/lead part, so I think it'd be enough to distinguish the 2 tones dude...sounds good....On the feedback thing, give the amp's volume a little clockwise twist dude, & it'll happen. I finally learned that with my DSL not long ago, especially since I've been using less gain with the SG. I can usually get my setup to do that with the volume around 3 or so, but I sit pretty much right in front of my amp when I play/record, so that may make a difference too....Sounds good!!!
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Thanks, Miner. I stood in front of my amp for the clips but my dining room's fairly large - I ought to have stood a little closer in hindsight.

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One thing I've noticed about the JVM is that when I play with the Master at around 1 or 2, all of my channels sound a lot fizzier, thinner and gainier than when I turn the thing up to 5 or 6. The "real" sound of the amp comes to the fore. The fizz disappears and you get the pure Marshall tone taking over. I don't think it's power tube distortion.
Also, I've discovered what was making the low end so rumbly - it was the resonance control. It adds really low bass that I really don't need. It's below the "chunk" and the "bonk" frequencies.
 
Dude, my JVM's resonance stays permanently on 0. I can't imagine any scenario where I or anyone else would wanna use that feature. Maybe a band with no bass? I don't know.
 
Greg_L said:
Dude, my JVM's resonance stays permanently on 0. I can't imagine any scenario where I or anyone else would wanna use that feature. Maybe a band with no bass? I don't know.
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Well that's where mine's staying. I suppose I just didn't understand the purpose of it.

It's a complicated fucker of an amp. :D
 
Bubba po said:
Well that's where mine's staying. I suppose I just didn't understand the purpose of it.

It's a complicated fucker of an amp. :D
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Resonance is like presence for the low end. It's terrible IMO. Maybe metal guys like that shit? Lonely bedroom players? I don't know. I do know that through a 4x12 at rock and roll volume with a full band, there's no need for that resonance garbage.
 
Bubba the clips I posted yesterday were the 2nd take. I originally had my resonance on about 2 or so, but ended up turning it completely off. While it did add some chunk in the room, it also added a woofy-ness to the mic'd sound that I didn't like. I probably could've eq'd it out in the daw, but it was better to turn the resonance off & re-record it IMO...

My DSL is similar to your JVM with the volume too. It's fizzy/fuzzy sounding until I hit about 3 or so, then it seems like it just "comes alive" to me. I dunno if it's just the amount of signal being passed through the whole rig or what's happening, but there's definitely a difference...

And on the feedback thing, it does help to be close to the amp. I do all my playing/recording basically sitting withing arm's reach of my amp...
 
Track Rat said:
Edicks Way. Used to be the St Louis Allstars.
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that's you playing?
Or someone using your amp?

either way it sounds like a fun band and I really liked the way the Kustom sounded.
That amp's a bit heavy though, isn't it?
 
minerman said:
Bubba the clips I posted yesterday were the 2nd take. I originally had my resonance on about 2 or so, but ended up turning it completely off. While it did add some chunk in the room, it also added a woofy-ness to the mic'd sound that I didn't like.
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That's exactly what I found! The mic'd sound was really woofy, the cab in the room was far less so! Perhaps there's a little phase cancellation between the four speakers that reduces the low end a little when you hear the cab at a distance in a room? The woofiness is annoying. It's just not part of the sound, as if it's artificially created or something. I wish I'd realised or done a test recording before going for my final take, now. The resonance ruins what would've been an awesome-sounding clip. :cursing:
 
Bubba po said:
That's exactly what I found! The mic'd sound was really woofy, the cab in the room was far less so! Perhaps there's a little phase cancellation between the four speakers that reduces the low end a little when you hear the cab at a distance in a room? The woofiness is annoying. It's just not part of the sound, as if it's artificially created or something. I wish I'd realised or done a test recording before going for my final take, now. The resonance ruins what would've been an awesome-sounding clip. :cursing:
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Yeah Bubba, the resonance on my amp would probably be good for live use, but for recording, it just muddies the sound up IMO...You might be able to use a little, narrow eq cut & get the woofy-ness out dude, it'd be worth a shot...

On the 2nd take/test recording, this is why I always record a di straight into my interface along with the mic'd sound. I can always go back & re-amp the di, which a lot of times, sounds better simply because I don't have to concentrate on anything but the tone...I'd recommend a re-amp box to about anyone, they're handy little boxes dude. I paid $100 for mine, but there are kits you can buy to build your own for about half that, maybe less...
 
Not me on guitar. And Bob, the amp weighs about as much as a mini van.
 
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