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Greg_L
Banned
I got a few toneprints. I don't think my ear is refined enough to tell what the benefit is. 
rayc
retroreprobate
Good sample Greg. I bough copper foil et al about 10 ears ago to do my guitar and then figured it was rather a silly thing to do to a semi acoustic.
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Greg_L
Banned
Thanks Ray.
I think any guitar can benefit from shielding, but some more than others. First time I did it, it did pretty much nothing. This latest re-do seemed to fix whatever I did wrong before.
minerman
Tonetard
Cool tone Greg......
How do you like the Greenback speaker compared to the V30 & T75???? The one I have breaks up really easily, but the low end is kinda "flubby" which I don't care much for to be honest......Hopefully I'll be getting another cab this coming week, with a V30......
Here's a rough song I did a few days ago, going for the AC-DC vibe. It's got a lot more gain than an AC-DC tone, but I wasn't really trying to copy their sound exactly, just get kinda close (which the playing is kinda like 'em, but the guitar tone has a lot more gain)......
Ibanez > SD-1 >Tweaker > 1x12 Greenback > SM57
Amp settings:
Modern
Master: 4
"Brit" tonestack
Treble: 7
Mid: 4
Bass: 7
Clean
Gain: 10
Bright
Tight
SD-1:
Level: 10
Tone: 7
Drive: 0
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11982094
How do you like the Greenback speaker compared to the V30 & T75???? The one I have breaks up really easily, but the low end is kinda "flubby" which I don't care much for to be honest......Hopefully I'll be getting another cab this coming week, with a V30......
Here's a rough song I did a few days ago, going for the AC-DC vibe. It's got a lot more gain than an AC-DC tone, but I wasn't really trying to copy their sound exactly, just get kinda close (which the playing is kinda like 'em, but the guitar tone has a lot more gain)......
Ibanez > SD-1 >Tweaker > 1x12 Greenback > SM57
Amp settings:
Modern
Master: 4
"Brit" tonestack
Treble: 7
Mid: 4
Bass: 7
Clean
Gain: 10
Bright
Tight
SD-1:
Level: 10
Tone: 7
Drive: 0
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=11982094
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Greg_L
Banned
Sounds pretty good to me dude. Sounds like modern AC/DC. You get good sounds from that little head and 1x12.
I love the Greenbacks in my own set up. I haven't seriously recorded them yet, but I might do a lead for a song today and I'll mic one of the Greenbacks. They compliment the G12T's very well, I think. I really like the punch and crunch of this cab now. Sounds awesome sitting right next to it. Compared to the G12T-75, I think the Greenback has better midrange, smoother highs, but less lows. It's a smoother, more balanced all around speaker. There's no crazy unwanted frequencies jumping out of the Greenbacks. It's all good no matter where you mic it. I don't even know how to compare the Greenbacks to the V30's. The V30's truly are their own animal and I don't think they play well with others. The V30's are very loud with screaming midrange and brittle highs with kind of a woofy bottom end. I have to take great care in miking my V30's. It's like everything is exagerrated with Vintage 30's. I like them for leads or cleans, they're superb for cleans, but I'm not enjoying them too much for my moderately overdriven rhythm sounds. In my experience, they work best with modern high-gain big-power amps. To me, there's nothing "vintage" about them. I think my style sounds better through the G12T-75's or Greenbacks.
antichef
pornk rock
OK Telegram Sam - after 6 months of procrastination, here are some recordings of my Orange TH100. You may know that the amp has 4 power settings - on the back you can disable 2 of the 4 power tubes, and on the front you can choose "full" and "half" or something like that. I meant to make the recordings with everything maxed, but I looked on the back of the amp, and it looks like I was only using two of the power tubes. Oops. Gimme another 6 months and I'll make some more. I can't remember if this means the amp is at 50 or 70 watts. Anyway, like most tube amps, it sounds better when you turn it up, but my neighbors have been sending hate emails the last few days, so I didn't turn up. Sorry about that, too. I was also really lazy with my playing. I suck.
In the last 6 months, I did two things - I replaced the crappy stock 12AT7 tube that buffers the effects loop - this got rid of a lot of noise and improved the sound, even with nothing plugged into the loop. The other stock tubes (4 EL 34 and 4 12AX7) they used were OK (although I did replace them all for good measure), but for some reason that 12AT7 was a pooper. I also picked up a 4x12 Orange cabinet with V30s in it. It was expensive and it's heavier than a lot of Walmart customers, but it made the amp sound a whole lot better than it did through that Marshall 4x12. I have no real idea why - my JCM-800 2204 doesn't sound much different through either cabinet.
I made the clips below with a Gibson SG Supreme, with the stock bridge pickup, a 57 classic, I believe. Kind of a hot pickup. In line, I had a Fulltone Fulldrive 2, but it was off (with true bypass) for all but the end of one of the clips (details below). No other effects, and the recordings are dry. I used the TnC ACM-3 ribbon mic (Royer knockoff) with a replaced transformer, that went into an API 3124+ (set to about 4, no pad), which went into a Lynx Aurora 16.
First the dirty channel. It has three knobs - Volume (overall), "Shape", which is a combined bass/treble thing that scoops the mids as you turn it up, and Gain, which distorts the crap out of things. The knobs on the amp don't have numbers, but they have little lines, and if you count them, you eventually discover that they range from zero to ten.
Dirty: Volume 4, Shape 3, Gain 3
The dirty channel is *way* too gain-y for my taste - here, the gain is on 3 (of 10), and it's pretty distorted.
Dirty: Volume 4, Shape 5, Gain 3
Here it is again with the "Shape" at mid-mast. I have no idea, but I think of that as having the EQ flat.
Dirty: Volume 4, Shape 7, Gain 3
And again, with the scooping Shape knob all the way to 7 (out of 10)
Dirty: Volume 4, Shape 3, Gain 7
And again, with the Shape back to 3, but, the friggin overkill gain up to 7.
I would have done one with the Gain and Shape on 10, but I don't wanna lose any friends - it's like getting a dental drill pressed against your eardrum.
Now the clean channel - again 3 knobs, Treble, Bass, and Volume.
Clean: Treble: 5, Bass: 5, Volume: 1
I think there's a little breakup, even with the Volume on 1 - sheesh. It is a fairly hot pickup, I guess. On this clip, I kept going and turned on the FullDrive 2, set to "Vintage" with the level and overdrive at half mast - sort of like a tube screamer. Just thought you might want to hear that, Telegram Sam.
Clean: Treble: 6, Bass: 6, Volume: 2
And the last one, treble and bass turned up slightly, Volume on a mere 2 - even at 50 or 70 watts, this was enough to almost clip the API (set as it was), and make me worried about the neighbors. I attempted to normalize the other clips to this track, because it was by far the loudest. Significant breakup, even on 2 (out of 10) - you can see where this is going, but I'm stopping at 2 because I don't want the police to come. One day when the neighbors were away, I dimed the clean channel at 100 watts and was transported to valhalla - my ears were ringing for a couple of days, but it was about as good of a raging wire/wood/copper/glass/air experience as I've ever had.
I've played one gig with this amp, and, other than the 8 hernias I got moving the cabinet, it was a complete riot - in the room it had a sort of early black sabbath sound, which was perfect - I used the dirty channel with the gain on 3. I'll probably use the clean channel in future gigs, but only if I'm not miced - the sound guys will never let me turn it up enough, I'm certain.
The TH100 is made in China, by the way, I'm pretty sure, and the cabinet was made in the USA probably because they didn't want to sink any boats with it. Overall, the sound is flatter and less complex than the JCM800 I mentioned above (which I usually use), but the range of the amp is much broader, and I really really like the clean channel.
minerman
Tonetard
Cool antichef, I was wondering this weekend when someone was gonna post something up to keep this thread alive...
Of course, being into the heavier stuff, I like the clip with the gain on 7, but the other clips sound pretty good too.....
The clean/clean-ish clips do sound a little thin to me, maybe try a different mic placement next time for a little more bottom/punch???
Thanks for posting these clips & keeping the thread alive!!!!!!
Here's a song I've been working on for a while, but still haven't finished (I posted this before, but have changed a couple things since then.....)....It's my Ibanez>Tweaker 15H>Orange PPC 1x12>'57>Komplete Audio>Reaper.....
Of course, this is far from being finished, but wanted some feedback/opinions on the guitar tones & song in general.......
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=12082498
Of course, being into the heavier stuff, I like the clip with the gain on 7, but the other clips sound pretty good too.....
The clean/clean-ish clips do sound a little thin to me, maybe try a different mic placement next time for a little more bottom/punch???
Thanks for posting these clips & keeping the thread alive!!!!!!
Here's a song I've been working on for a while, but still haven't finished (I posted this before, but have changed a couple things since then.....)....It's my Ibanez>Tweaker 15H>Orange PPC 1x12>'57>Komplete Audio>Reaper.....
Of course, this is far from being finished, but wanted some feedback/opinions on the guitar tones & song in general.......
http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=12082498
antichef
pornk rock
yeah, I didn't even think about mic placement. shoot.
Very nice guitar tone in that song - I like the big power chords. I'm listening with headphones.
edit: actually, I guess there's a kind of weak spot with the amp - the clean channel has more chunk than you want if you turn up the bass knob, but because of the "Shape" knob on the dirty channel, there's no way to crank the bass without cutting the mids and cranking the highs as well. I've actually thought about taking it to a tech to see if I can get a fuller set of eq controls, but I probably won't. Anyway, with a bass player involved, I don't miss the bass too much.
edit2: I really like your "AC/DC" tone also - more of a modern sound than the older master volume thing, but very good.
Very nice guitar tone in that song - I like the big power chords. I'm listening with headphones.
edit: actually, I guess there's a kind of weak spot with the amp - the clean channel has more chunk than you want if you turn up the bass knob, but because of the "Shape" knob on the dirty channel, there's no way to crank the bass without cutting the mids and cranking the highs as well. I've actually thought about taking it to a tech to see if I can get a fuller set of eq controls, but I probably won't. Anyway, with a bass player involved, I don't miss the bass too much.
edit2: I really like your "AC/DC" tone also - more of a modern sound than the older master volume thing, but very good.
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Greg_L
Banned
Hey antichef, these clips are a bit bright. I think I can detect some good toneality, but I think better mic placement would help in the future. I like the dirty channels, but again, really bright.
That's really pretty good. Very 80's! You're getting good tones from that little rig. If I were to really nitpick, they're a little pre-ampy. The rhythm guitars kind of have a little sizzle to them that to me is usually indicative of a lot of preamp gain without much power section. Not enough chunk if you know what I mean. They don't have that percussive chunk of a speaker moving air. Maybe play louder!
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joeydahlia
Banned
Well hello....just checking in....any of you guys coming to meet me at Namm..would love to meet you all...
It's been so long!!!
It's been so long!!!
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joeydahlia
Banned
pretty cool..the guitar need more volume...to pull in more bass mids and highs...what did you use to record it ? amp or mod?
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joeydahlia
Banned
pretty cool..the guitar need more volume...to pull in more bass mids and highs...what did you use to record it ? amp or mod?
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Greg_L
Banned
Oh no....
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
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jonny deep
Disappointing Member
Careful now...
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
nothing to be careful about.
Joey is a spammer that shows up around NAMM time and spams his product which is a speaker mounted in a drum shell. A quick look around the web will show you that he makes claims that are totally false, especially because he has exactly zero knowledge about speakers.
They purport to solve problems that don't exist and when you point that out to him his responses don't even respond at all to what you asked.
Do a quick look and you'll find countless sites where knowledgable people have raised issues that he can't respond to and ultimately they end
posting long denigrating comments about him in their signatures. Even at sites that don't tend to allow that sort of thing.
Stuff that I've NEVER seen people driven to put in signatures.
He'll be around here until NAMM is over and then we won't see him again (thank God) 'till next year's NAMM.
If he would listen to ANYTHING it wouldn't be so bad because he has a tiny nugget of a good idea but with his refusal to listen or learn anything at all, he keeps it from evolving and, as it is right now, his execution of the idea is pretty poor.
CrowsofFritz
Flamingo!
How is his rep in teh green. Wasn't it red before? Does he have two accounts?
Lt. Bob
Spread the Daf!
well, that's the one he had last time he was here because it's on my ignore list.
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jonny deep
Disappointing Member
I remember his previous visit well.
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jonny deep
Disappointing Member
Well, his rep's back in the red again.