TASCAM M-3500 Console Schematics

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Thanks for putting these out here. I am looking at purchasing the M3500 for my project studio. Now I just have to either find or make a balancing kit for my tape inputs.

Thanks Bill
 
What tape machine do you have? How far is it from the console?
 
What tape machine do you have? How far is it from the console?
Hi, I am not using a tape machine. I need balance tape inputs to the mixer so I can play out of my DAW and FerroFish all of which is TRS. I just talked with a friend of mine who's company makes PCBs and if I can get a schematic with PCB gerber files for the layers and BOM files he can see what it would cost to make me a balancing kit. Thanks Bill
 
If the interface is within 20-25’ of the console there’s no need to run balanced if you have good quality cable. You’ll have better quality sound without going through the unnecessary balancing circuitry. Just because the interface is capable of balanced audio doesn’t mean you have to run balanced.
 
If the interface is within 20-25’ of the console there’s no need to run balanced if you have good quality cable. You’ll have better quality sound without going through the unnecessary balancing circuitry. Just because the interface is capable of balanced audio doesn’t mean you have to run balanced.
I appreciate the reply. The console will be within about 10 - 12 feet of the farthest connection. I am trying to reach the seller in Chicago to purchase and pickup the M3500 next week if possible. I could do a quick test on it as soon as I have it at my place. I won't have to have it running for mixing until the end of this year. I want to do a full check, tech, clean and recap before it goes into service mixing. Thanks Bill
 
Which model FerroFish interface do you have?

If the console and interface are 10-12’ apart I’d use 4-5m snakes of good quality. Even the standard HOSA snakes work well…good quality shielded cable, reliable, and budget-friendly. Maybe you already have snakes, but keep them as reasonably short as possible and you should be fine.

This all holds true assuming you don’t have unusual environmental factors with which to contend. Like, for instance, I used to live a couple blocks from the 2nd highest powered AM radio station in my state. That was an unusual environmental factor, but even at that my unbalanced cable runs were 1-3m and it was fine. I still preferred balanced in that setting because it made it so I could worry less about induced noise interference. And that’s the point…I’m not sure if this is where you’re at, but there’s a general misconception that balanced audio interconnects are “professional” and sound “better” and so everything should be balanced. That’s not true.

Balanced audio started a long, long time ago in the telephone industry. In that case they were obviously dealing with very, very long cable runs. The telephone industry is also what drove the invention of EQ filters due to the capacitive losses impacting the spectral performance over those very, very long cable runs. But the point here is that balanced audio wasn’t developed because it sounded better, outside of mitigating noise interference. That was the reason then and it’s the same reason now. And it should be understood that circuitry that balances and unbalances the signal requires more circuitry, which has its own level of noise and distortion, so, generally-speaking, if it’s not necessary to run balanced interconnects, your signal is more clean if you stay unbalanced. My Tascam 58 manual even supports this…specs for balanced and unbalanced interconnects list better HF performance with the unbalanced interconnects. And it’s not because the circuitry is a bad design…it’s actually, as far as the output drivers go, a decent discrete output stage powered by +/-20V power rails. A caveat I’ll note here is some devices do use transformers to balance and unbalance the signal, vs active circuitry, and transformers can enable desirable artifacts to the signal (like non linearities and harmonic distortion), but there is also a misconception that transformer=better/more desirable sound, and this is not true either. It depends on the system, device drive capability, nominal impedance, and of paramount importance the quality of the transformer, among other things. I would argue very much you get what you pay for, and the lore around transformers is driven by high-eschelon gear. So if you want to chase that down to get what people talk about, it comes at a substantial cost. The other thing to consider is if you are in pursuit of transparent signal, transformer-based circuits are less likely to afford that. Balanced interconnections were adopted by the broadcast and video and audio production industries, but understand it was necessary with air transmission interference, and often large buildings with production equipment spread all over and often hundreds and sometimes thousands of feet of cabling. It’s an absolute necessity in those circumstances to run balanced signal runs. Most audio gear is internally unbalanced. So, if a device has balanced inputs and outputs, the signal is converted to balanced at the outputs, and converted from balanced to unbalanced at the inputs. Some higher echelon gear is balanced throughout. My Studer console is this way. But this is not so with the M-3500 series. Think of balanced audio as two unbalanced parallel signal runs, but one leg is 180 degrees out of phase. Any interference that is induced along the cable run is cancelled out when the two runs are summed at the input, and the out-of-phase leg is inverted as it is summed with the in-phase leg. But this now puts the noise interference signals out of phase with each other and the noise is cancelled out; noise gone. And by “noise” understand we are talking about induced noise…noise that’s picked up by the signal run along the way. We are not talking about system self-noise. Balanced interconnections do nothing to mitigate noise generated by your audio devices themselves. If the runs are short and the cable is good quality shielded cable, the area for interference to be induced is relatively small, and what is induced is picked up by the shield and not the signal conductor, and the noise is ideally shunted to ground at either the input or output end of the run (or maybe both…it depends on the setup…this is where we start getting into a more complex subject of grounding in audio systems, which we hope to avoid unless we have a problem).

I know this is a lot of info, but I like to share it occasionally, especially if it helps people take some pressure (and unnecessary expense!) off of themselves, hopefully understanding that they don’t have to knock themselves out trying to keep everything balanced!
 
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Which model FerroFish interface do you have?

If the console and interface are 10-12’ apart I’d use 4-5m snakes of good quality. Even the standard HOSA snakes work well…good quality shielded cable, reliable, and budget-friendly. Maybe you already have snakes, but keep them as reasonably short as possible and you should be fine.

This all holds true assuming you don’t have unusual environmental factors with which to contend. Like, for instance, I used to live a couple blocks from the 2nd highest powered AM radio station in my state. That was an unusual environmental factor, but even at that my unbalanced cable runs were 1-3m and it was fine. I still preferred balanced in that setting because it made it so I could worry less about induced noise interference. And that’s the point…I’m not sure if this is where you’re at, but there’s a general misconception that balanced audio interconnects are “professional” and sound “better” and so everything should be balanced. That’s not true.

Balanced audio started a long, long time ago in the telephone industry. In that case they were obviously dealing with very, very long cable runs. The telephone industry is also what drove the invention of EQ filters due to the capacitive losses impacting the spectral performance over those very, very long cable runs. But the point here is that balanced audio wasn’t developed because it sounded better, outside of mitigating noise interference. That was the reason then and it’s the same reason now. And it should be understood that circuitry that balances and unbalances the signal requires more circuitry, which has its own level of noise and distortion, so, generally-speaking, if it’s not necessary to run balanced interconnects, your signal is more clean if you stay unbalanced. My Tascam 58 manual even supports this…specs for balanced and unbalanced interconnects list better HF performance with the unbalanced interconnects. And it’s not because the circuitry is a bad design…it’s actually, as far as the output drivers go, a decent discrete output stage powered by +/-20V power rails. A caveat I’ll note here is some devices do use transformers to balance and unbalance the signal, vs active circuitry, and transformers can enable desirable artifacts to the signal (like non linearities and harmonic distortion), but there is also a misconception that transformer=better/more desirable sound, and this is not true either. It depends on the system, device drive capability, nominal impedance, and of paramount importance the quality of the transformer, among other things. I would argue very much you get what you pay for, and the lore around transformers is driven by high-eschelon gear. So if you want to chase that down to get what people talk about, it comes at a substantial cost. The other thing to consider is if you are in pursuit of transparent signal, transformer-based circuits are less likely to afford that. Balanced interconnections were adopted by the broadcast and video and audio production industries, but understand it was necessary with air transmission interference, and often large buildings with production equipment spread all over and often hundreds and sometimes thousands of feet of cabling. It’s an absolute necessity in those circumstances to run balanced signal runs. Most audio gear is internally unbalanced. So, if a device has balanced inputs and outputs, the signal is converted to balanced at the outputs, and converted from balanced to unbalanced at the inputs. Some higher echelon gear is balanced throughout. My Studer console is this way. But this is not so with the M-3500 series. Think of balanced audio as two unbalanced parallel signal runs, but one leg is 180 degrees out of phase. Any interference that is induced along the cable run is cancelled out when the two runs are summed at the input, and the out-of-phase leg is inverted as it is summed with the in-phase leg. But this now puts the noise interference signals out of phase with each other and the noise is cancelled out; noise gone. And by “noise” understand we are talking about induced noise…noise that’s picked up by the signal run along the way. We are not talking about system self-noise. Balanced interconnections do nothing to mitigate noise generated by your audio devices themselves. If the runs are short and the cable is good quality shielded cable, the area for interference to be induced is relatively small, and what is induced is picked up by the shield and not the signal conductor, and the noise is ideally shunted to ground at either the input or output end of the run (or maybe both…it depends on the setup…this is where we start getting into a more complex subject of grounding in audio systems, which we hope to avoid unless we have a problem).

I know this is a lot of info, but I like to share it occasionally, especially if it helps people take some pressure (and unnecessary expense!) off of themselves, hopefully understanding that they don’t have to knock themselves out trying to keep everything balanced!
All good info. I am using two of the FerrorFish. I have a Pluse 8 AE that I use as hardware inserts into my DAW and I have a Pulse 16 AE that I am going to use to route the signal from Cubase/Logic/ProTools to the TASCAM M3500-24. The Pulse 16AE has 16 in/out. I am plan to use the outs to go into the line in on the M3500 and the inputs will come from the M3500 and go to the DAW. I have 10 nice pre-amp to use for recording in addition to the M3500.

I just purchased the M3500 this morning from a guy who is 2.5 hours north of me. Hopefully, I will get it pickup in the next week or so, depending on when my help can go with me. Once it is back at my place, I will test everything to make sure the it is working. The only know issue is Aux 3 input in the Master Section. Next it will be stripped to frame for a cleaning. I will recap the channels and I plan to put on new op/amps if needed. I will do it starting with the Master section and then channels 1 - 8 until done and the board is totally assembled. Have a friend who will take care of making sure that the voltages and calibration is all correct. Hopefully, we will have everything done and I will be able to mix my new project starting in November. Well that's the plan. I am attaching a pic of the M3500 that I purchased. Thanks Bill
TASCAM-M3500-24-01.webp
 
I have a Tascam M520 paired up with an Allen&Heath ICE 16 and an MSR16 tape machine.
Both are plugged in into the 1st 16 channels of the desk.

Not balanced, zero issues.

No need to worry about balanced lines.
 
I am picking up the M3500 in the next week or so. I will give it a try. Thanks
 
I am picking up the M3500 in the next week or so. I will give it a try. Thanks
Congrats on the M3500 purchase! Mine had a wooden cabinet built around it. I put 1/2" foam on the arm rest and wrapped it with brown fake leather. It looks very nice! I'm very very happy with the sound of it. Bass sounds huge, drums are punchy, clear, and not-harsh. The musicians I'm recording often are shocked at the sound of it, like they're hearing their music in a totally new way. I've never listened to my mixes on repeat day after day until I got a tape machine and started using Tascam mixers! My first was the Tascam M320B, I do not miss that mixer but it was ok. Prices are unreasonable for them now.
 
I am thinking about putting walnut end caps on mine. I am also thinking of putting a walnut top across the back so I can have my near field Adam A5v on it. Thanks Bill
 
I built this around mineView attachment 151745
Mike, that is one beautiful desk!! You didn't happen to keep copy of the plans that you could share did you? I would like to be able to do something like this for myself. I have the full meter bridge on mine and hopefully, I will have the balance output/input kit tomorrow. Thanks for sharing and let me know if you still have the plans for the desk. Thanks Bill
 
Mike, that is one beautiful desk!! You didn't happen to keep copy of the plans that you could share did you? I would like to be able to do something like this for myself. I have the full meter bridge on mine and hopefully, I will have the balance output/input kit tomorrow. Thanks for sharing and let me know if you still have the plans for the desk. Thanks Bill
No plans. I pretty much just built it off the ground around it.
 
Mike, that is a great looking desk. I have started to design my own. I am going to sell my De-Fi desk. I like your rack on the desktop so I am going to put in a 12 space one on mine for a couple of mastering pieces I have and my Softube Fader MKIII. I use the Softube for writing automation in my DAW. I don't have a multi-track tape unit any more. Thanks Bill
 
Mike, that is a great looking desk. I have started to design my own. I am going to sell my De-Fi desk. I like your rack on the desktop so I am going to put in a 12 space one on mine for a couple of mastering pieces I have and my Softube Fader MKIII. I use the Softube for writing automation in my DAW. I don't have a multi-track tape unit any more. Thanks Bill
I pretty much track with External mic pre's That go directly to DAW via a MOTU828es with the line outs going to the M3500, making it a nice headphone mixer. Mix down is a hybride from the DAW individual tracks thru the M3500. I can use plugins and hardware simultaneously. I like it.
 
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