Studio Projects

[Flatpicker]

It's getting hot in the kitchen (again)...For example, on Paul Mc Cartney's "Ram", the RE20 was was used on
"Admiral Halsey/Hands Across The Water", the U87 was used on the more melodic vocal tracks, and a SM57 on his rockier ones...

That is exactly the point - In all these ______ vs. Neumann examples, the Neumanns sound more "open" or just plain "real". But, you don't always want "real". Sometimes you want an "in your face" kind of sound and quite frankly, Neumanns don't do that very well, at least not from the examples I've heard. SM57s and RE20s OTOH do. To me, the C1 is more of an “in your face” mic like the SM57, but with an extended frequency range and better dynamics.

It’s all about using different colors and not just black and white.

MHO +/- a few dB.

 

[ozraves]

Every time that we go deep into the SP or MXL mic lines here on Home Rec, I wonder why the big urge to limit the mics available to a home recordist to these two mic lines. Audio-Technica, Shure, EV and Beyerdynamic make some impressive mics that should get consideration.

 

[Mark7]

And don't forget Groove Tubes and ADK.

 

[patsplat]

Exactly! If DJL's not on PMI's payroll, then Alan should pay him a commission because he probably sells more SP mics than some stores, LOL! Every time he bashes PMI, someone will post "I just ordered a C1" - ROTFL!!

Yeah...no doubt .I don't think I would have even thought about SP mics till I ran across this place.Now I'm at least looking at some(C4,C1,B1,T3).

 

[acorec]

People used to crap all over Japanese made cars in the 70's. Not as good, poor build quality, etc. It's the same argument that is being applied to Chinese made mics. Chinese manufacturers have economies of scale and labor costs that we can only dream about here in the US and in most of the west. So I will stand here today and say that Studio Projects mics compare favorably with most, if not all of the German and German sounding mic companies in my opinion.

The problem is that in the *70s* japanese cars were the worst piles of shit imaginable. It took then 10 years to make a reasonable product. Chinese mics will get better over time and are already pretty damn good. Look at the original toyotas from the 70s. I had one and it was the most unsafe hodge-podge of shit parts and crappy build quality ever.

 

[acorec]

Well, you fail to mention that there were several that went the other way. Here is one for you all to try....

U87ai vs C1

And Kurt Foster's reviews are from a guy who has no brains at all. Good try, but I would rather listen to a newbie's review than any opinion from this guy.

 

[Gidge]

and CAD.....

 

[Han]

And Kurt Foster's reviews are from a guy who has no brains at all. Good try, but I would rather listen to a newbie's review than any opinion from this guy.

Word! (although there must be left some of Kurt's brain somewhere)

 

[DJL]

Originally Posted by jeffree
...I'm beginning to think that DJL is on the SP payroll since he, more than anyone else, seems to keep these threads rolling and keep SP in the spotlight. Stranger things have happened, and I'll bet that SP has made a lot of sales from folks reading here, wondering what all the fuss is about...

Exactly! If DJL's not on PMI's payroll, then Alan should pay him a commission because he probably sells more SP mics than some stores, LOL! Every time he bashes PMI, someone will post "I just ordered a C1" - ROTFL!!

(I was laughing so hard I made a bunch of typos!)

In PMI Audio's defence... I am NOT on PMI Audio's payroll, and I never have been on PMI Audio's payroll... and I don't believe PMI Audio would ever do what you guys are accusing them of doing. IMO, you both owe PMI Audio an apology.

 

[freshmattyp]

The problem is that in the *70s* japanese cars were the worst piles of shit imaginable. It took then 10 years to make a reasonable product. Chinese mics will get better over time and are already pretty damn good. Look at the original toyotas from the 70s. I had one and it was the most unsafe hodge-podge of shit parts and crappy build quality ever.

You should have bought a Honda like my family did. Between my parents and me, we've had at least one Honda in the family since 1973. My wife and I both drive them now. They were great then, and they're even better now.

 

[DJL]

You should have bought a Honda like my family did. Between my parents and me, we've had at least one Honda in the family since 1973. My wife and I both drive them now. They were great then, and they're even better now.

Do you want to race... lol. j/k

 

[reshp1]

Originally Posted by jeffree
...I'm beginning to think that DJL is on the SP payroll since he, more than anyone else, seems to keep these threads rolling and keep SP in the spotlight. Stranger things have happened, and I'll bet that SP has made a lot of sales from folks reading here, wondering what all the fuss is about...

In PMI Audio's defence... I am NOT on PMI Audio's payroll, and I never have been on PMI Audio's payroll... and I don't believe PMI Audio would ever do what you guys are accusing them of doing. IMO, you both owe PMI Audio an apology.

DJL
I don't think that they were completely serious, and I'm sure you aren't affiliated with PMI, but they do have a point. Every time you slam SP or PMI, there's 5 guys posting to defend them. I would never of thought to try one of these mics, but with all the people who so enthusiasticly endorse and defend it, I think that I might consider it now.

 

[DJL]

DJL
I don't think that they were completely serious, and I'm sure you aren't affiliated with PMI, but they do have a point. Every time you slam SP or PMI, there's 5 guys posting to defend them. I would never of thought to try one of these mics, but with all the people who so enthusiasticly endorse and defend it, I think that I might consider it now.

The SP mics aren't high end mics... but, the SP mics aren't bad mics either (just not what I prefer)... so by all means... buy all the SP mics you want.

 

[acorec]

Per Harvey (correct me if mistaken!), VTB-1 pre + RCA 77 ribbon sounds
first rate.

Plus...

Usually the better vocal mic fit on a given voice (could be an SP over U87ai),
will overide a better mic pre vs. a Mackie or better.

Total track count will further affect this of course, it's fairy subtle to most listeners though (non-audiophiles/non-musicians that comprise 99.9%+).

Chris

Mmm, could be a Gefell over a Neumann, could be an AT over a Gefell, could be an SM7 over a RE20..........

Just because a cheap mic fits a certain source over a high-end deal only says that you have the wrong mic for that application. It does not mean that a cheap mic is better or equal to a high-end jobbie.

Klaus on his forum has a thread where he says the same thing. It is just rediculous to say that a cheap mic compares to an expensive one when only considering one dimension of its performance. Same would go for pre-amps.

 

[ausrock]

For anyone who wants to have a listen, on the following NWR link there is a "Test Mic" track with 2 mics, one panned left, one panned right on an approx., 35 second acoustic piece which is repeated 3 times. There was little care taken in placement apart from getting the mic diaphrams as close to each other as possible, there was no EQ or processing...........http://www.nowhereradio.com/testmp3s/singles

If anyone wants to have a shot at picking the type of mics, I'll post the correct answer in a day or two.


Also, if anyone wants to hear a C1 on vocals, try this link....... http://www.nowhereradio.com/innerblue/singles ..........remembering that this mix was never finished because of issues within the band.

 

[alanhyatt]

Originally Posted by jeffree
I don't believe PMI Audio would ever do what you guys are accusing them of doing. IMO, you both owe PMI Audio an apology.

Wow, wasn't it you who accused us of having many of the reviewers and posters on HR on our payroll. You must have accused us of this at least 10 times.

 

[OneRoomStudios]

C'mon man, DJL is playing nice, you should too. Ever since DJL left and came back it's obvious that he's trying his best to bite his tounge when it comes to Studio Projects. So far in this post he has been a gentleman. True, he has antagonized you in the past, but it seems that that's all over now, so lets get back to talking about the mics.


What do people think of the TB1 vs the T3? People seem to like the T3 a whole lot, but no one ever mentions the TB1.

 

[John_7408]

In fact I do not think that TB1 is worse than T3 much though the weight of TB1 is less than T3, and the packaging is inexpensive than T3.

I have a TB1.

TB1 features better higher end, and TB1 feature better S/N than T3, around 4~6 dB better.
only problem is : TB1 is much cheaper than T3, most people like expensive mics. this is the reason.

 

[Micsales]

C'mon man, DJL is playing nice, you should too. Ever since DJL left and came back it's obvious that he's trying his best to bite his tounge when it comes to Studio Projects. So far in this post he has been a gentleman. True, he has antagonized you in the past, but it seems that that's all over now, so lets get back to talking about the mics.


What do people think of the TB1 vs the T3? People seem to like the T3 a whole lot, but no one ever mentions the TB1.

Hi! Micsales here!
The TB1 is a neutral sounding mic compared to the TB3. The TB3 and the TB1 do not sound anywhere as nics as our mic. The ASM B-1 is a mic that is not made in china, or the US. It is actually made between the two!

I would venture to say that the ASM B-1 tramples both the TB1 and the TB3 and costs far less than you would expect a professional LDC to cost!

We have an inventory reduction sale of the ASM series of mics this week only!

It is for the Labour Day Holiday commemorating all the working people who record for a hobby. These mics are DIGITAL READY with the most headroom available (160dBa-s)

Get yours today and record your "Sgt Pepper" today!

 

[jeffree]

Ya' know, DJL, no one brings me more smiles and laughter (probably in unintended ways) than you do in this forum, and I mean this in the best possible way. No sarcasm intended. You really do have your own unique set of logic, evident in many of your posts, which I actually look forward to on days when I need a lift. When I see a SP thread start, my first thought is: ok, how will DJL spice this thread up?

So, I'll play along--I apologize to Alan and SP for suggesting the possibility that they might be paying you for so effectively highlighting their products in so many mic threads. But you're doing a great job as an unpaid volunteer.

That said, I need to get back to recording with the two SP B1s that I consider an absolute steal for the measly $79 I paid for each. I accept that they're not Neumans, but they're sweet as pie for a serious home recorder like me.

Peace,

J.