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Gidge said:
what about SP's upper end mics?...how do they compare to the big boys?......
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Well, you tell me. I am not bashing SP mics at all. But, the T3 is a tube mic.It has a sug, list price of $699. What is the competition? The AT4060 comes to mind as well as the Neumann M147/149 at $2850/$5225 each. There are others, but, do you think that the T3 is the same or better than these mics?


I never say (or said) that the SP mics were bad mics. I know just from reading so many posts by people who love them that they are good mics and maybe head and shoulders better than *other like-priced-mics* The thing I have a problem with is comparing them to *high-end* mics and saying they are just as good *if not better*

This is the same as saying that a Mackie board is just the same if not better than an SSL. Tell anyone that one and you will be laughed off the planet. The best thing about today is all the good affordable equipment that is available to home recorders. But to make the leap of comparing it to the high-end equipment is foolish. But, then again, look at me................
I record on a 2" MCI deck and use Avalons, Focusrites, Great Rivers, Neumann, Gefell through a great big Allen and Heath console. Maybe my opinions don't matter as I am not your avarage "home recorder"
 
DJL said:
So, just to be more clear... are you saying if the U87 and T3 cost about the same you'd take the U87?
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This just proves you don't know shit. The current U87ai is one of the worst mikes outside of the TLM103 Neumann ever made. The older U87's were much better when they used the old K67 Capsules. Any good engineer will tell you that you have to EQ the U87 to make it sound worth a damn.

That does not mean all the Neumann mikes suck. They make a lot of very good mikes. What it tells me is you have never used a U87 in a real recording application. If you did, then you would know the specific weakness of it, and take the T3.
 
DJL said:
So, just to be more clear... are you saying if the U87 and T3 cost about the same you'd take the U87?
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That is funny, I *was* going to say in an earlier post that if a U87 and a T3 were the same price, these pages would be filled with happy Neumann owners.
 
acorec said:
That is funny, I *was* going to say in an earlier post that if a U87 and a T3 were the same price, these pages would be filled with happy Neumann owners.
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Your colors just came through. You don't know the U87 either.
 
acorec said:
That is funny, I *was* going to say in an earlier post that if a U87 and a T3 were the same price, these pages would be filled with happy Neumann owners.
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I think Marshall, Behringer, Studio Projects, Nady, and etc are all fighting for the same market.
 
DJL said:
I think Marshall, Behringer, Studio Projects, Nady, and etc are all fighting for the same market.
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I think all of your personalities are fighting for dominance.

I'm failing to see what the stink is all about. This argument about Chinese manufactured mics holds about as much water as the same BS in the 70's about Japanese cars. The rest of the world has caught up. Deal with it.
 
alanhyatt said:
This just proves you don't know shit. The current U87ai is one of the worst mikes outside of the TLM103 Neumann ever made. The older U87's were much better when they used the old K67 Capsules. Any good engineer will tell you that you have to EQ the U87 to make it sound worth a damn.

That does not mean all the Neumann mikes suck. They make a lot of very good mikes. What it tells me is you have never used a U87 in a real recording application. If you did, then you would know the specific weakness of it, and take the T3.
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I own two U87's and the only thing my last question to Harvey proves is that I don't know what he'd buy if the U87 and T3 were the same price. But keep it comming Alan, I like watching a pimp hard at work... lol.
 
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alanhyatt said:
Your colors just came through. You don't know the U87 either.
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I don't know why you are focusing on the U87 so much. I have not bashed your mics at all and only wonder why it is so important that a T3 mic beats a U87 when they are not the same kind-of mics at all. If you wanna compare the T3 then compare it to a M147. In this light, I will venture to say that the T3 does not meet or beat it. The T3 may sound very good and is probably a great cost/sound value. I have a few U87s and use them where they work. I also have TLM103s and use them where they work. They are both very good mics that excel at some things and sound at least good at many others and sound bad at a few things. Depends on the source and the room at the time. How my colors come through is a mystery to me. I guess if I don't agree with you I must be "colored". I have none of your mics and don't bash what I don't know. But I have a hard time trying to figure out your position in the mic market.
 
freshmattyp said:
I think all of your personalities are fighting for dominance.

I'm failing to see what the stink is all about. This argument about Chinese manufactured mics holds about as much water as the same BS in the 70's about Japanese cars. The rest of the world has caught up. Deal with it.
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Good morning Matt... I own some cheap Chinese made budget mics too... like the Marshall MXL603S's.

I think Marshall, Behringer, Studio Projects, Nady, and etc are all fighting for the same market. What is your argument about?
 
Wow, you guys are getting at it!

I'll say this. I record on a behringer mx-series board, so my mike pre's suck. I use a superlux h8a or something like that LD condensor, and just to let you know build quality, when I ordered the thing it came without any of the guts - just a case. I use an sm57 for instruments and anything else I need to stick a mic in front of. I don't even know anybody else who records stuff, so I figured it all out on my own, and I think my stuff sounds pretty good.

I also don't even know what a Neuman u87 looks like or sounds like, but I've heard it's used on vocals on all kinds of records that I'd buy, so I figure it's probably sweet, but I'll probably never in my life own one, even if I could afford it. Why? - I'm not a pro studio - all I care about is having fun and putting my originals on CD. Right now I do medical research (which pays waaaaaayyyy less than everybody in the world thinks it does) and I'm applying to dental school (which costs waaaaaaayyy more than everybody in the world thinks it does, haha), so I'd love to get my hands on an SP C1 and B1, but I really don't have 400 dollars to spend on mics - my dental school app is costing me around $3000 (for real). If an SP C1 can sound even close to a u87 (whatever that sounds like) then I would probably love to have it. I just wish somebody around here carried studio projects so I could go in to a store and try it out on my voice.

All the comments about SP catering to a project studio rather than a pro studio is true, because they cost what project studio owners can or want to afford, but if they sound as good or even close to as good as mics costing thousands, then I (and many other people like me) am thrilled.

OK, I don't know what relevance this post of mine has to anything, but I just wanted to chime in, haha.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that a LOT of people (like me) out there who are into home recording don't really care if a Studio Projects mike sounds just like a (insert an ultra expensive mike here), mainly because we aren't interested in spending thousands of dollars on a mike - ever. We just care that a 100 dollar b1 or a 200 c1 can sound really good and give us a big improvement over the other low cost mikes we might be using a.k.a superlux.

-Brian

By the way, I'd love to hear SP mikes in comparison to high end (edit: more expensive) mikes. When is this blind test gonna happen?
 
alanhyatt said:
I never said we were a high dollar mic company... and I don't see where I bashed any high dollar mic companies by saying we are as good. I see this is a touchy subject for you, and you get pretty hostile when someone disagrees with you. You should work on that. I guess you did not get the smile after the posting thing....

No sense trying to explain the other side of things to you. You seem to know it all already. So go tell the boys at Oceanway Nashville they don't know what they are doing. I am sure they would love to benefit from your vast knowledge and engineering prowess. Perhaps they will stop using SP mikes after your call.
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My "vast knowledge" and "engineering prowess" aside, I have recorded in all kinds of capacity (pro and home) for over twenty years. I would not tell anyone what not-to-use unless they *asked* me. If some pro studios use SP mics, great. Those same pros use SM57s too. I don't see many people running out in droves to buy them because the "pros" use them. I also have yet to see any post that suggests that an SM57 is better than, or equal to an MD441 or an RE20.
 
People used to crap all over Japanese made cars in the 70's. Not as good, poor build quality, etc. It's the same argument that is being applied to Chinese made mics. Chinese manufacturers have economies of scale and labor costs that we can only dream about here in the US and in most of the west. So I will stand here today and say that Studio Projects mics compare favorably with most, if not all of the German and German sounding mic companies in my opinion.
 
freshmattyp said:
People used to crap all over Japanese made cars in the 70's. Not as good, poor build quality, etc. It's the same argument that is being applied to Chinese made mics. Chinese manufacturers have economies of scale and labor costs that we can only dream about here in the US and in most of the west. So I will stand here today and say that Studio Projects mics compare favorably with most, if not all of the German and German sounding mic companies in my opinion.
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You should of just said that in the first place rather than taking a cheap flame shot at me... anyway, like I said before I think we should let everyone voice their opinion even if we disagree... so thanks for posting your opinion Matt.
 
I agree, and you're welcome. Sometimes you just present too big a bullseye for my rapier wit. :D
 
BJW said:
By the way, I'd love to hear SP mikes in comparison to high end (edit: more expensive) mikes. When is this blind test gonna happen?
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About 6 months ago there was a blind comparison between the SP T3, the ADK A48 and the Neumann M149, on a few different sources, IIRC. I can't remember the forum to which it was posted, might have been recording.org, the listening session forum or the Gearslutz forum.

There was quite a long thread which followed, which for the most part was a healthy discussion.
 
acorec said:
Well, you tell me. I am not bashing SP mics at all. But, the T3 is a tube mic.It has a sug, list price of $699. What is the competition? The AT4060 comes to mind as well as the Neumann M147/149 at $2850/$5225 each.
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just to chime in with some extra info. A used AT4060 is about $600 used and one of the best mics I have ever used at any price (and I use all the famous german mics on a regular basis)
 
One thing that I find funny is that this dude alan hyatt is really sensitive about them pea pickin mics. Everbody has to be able to take good criticism. Its funny to read you guys going back and forth like kids. To me it seems like if alan really believed in his products he wouldn't get so upset about forum discussions. You never see no other president of a company talking crazy execpt this dude. There is something wrong there. Maybe its just me. I tell you what though. I'm gonna buy a c-1 for the hell of it. Its only 199$. If it sucks then so be it, it was cheap anyway.
 
70sbaby said:
I'm gonna buy a c-1 for the hell of it. Its only 199$. If it sucks then so be it, it was cheap anyway.
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If you think it sucks, then sell it to me for cheap.

-Brian
 
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