Studio Projects C4- 1st night in use... Grade B+

[H2oskiphil]

I already point that out to you in my above post... and if you re-read Richard Monroe's last post in this thread and the read the link/thread that Han posted you would have your answer.

No, what I see in the thread that Han referenced was that many people think that the B5 and C4 look similar, and that both are manufactured by 797 Audio. That certainly doesn't define competitive products. I also saw you questioning Harvey's credibilty when he stated that the two mics have significant differences, perticularly in the capsules...but nothing about how the two are competing.

Richie's post basically says that the fact that the two look similar doesn't mean squat without a breakdown of the two units to the point of destroying a couple of each to see what makes them tick.

All your post said was

Well as many people all ready know... both the Behringer B5 and Studio Projects C4 are made by 797 Audio in China and both are SDC mics, and both have the roll-off/pad switch and interchangeable capsules and etc... so the Behringer B5 is Studio Projects C4 competitor... but the Behringer B5 cost much less than the Studio Projects C4.

That takes me back to my Cavalier/Corvette analogy. If they're not in the same price range, I contend they're NOT competitors.

 

[Han]

Tube, please keep us informed, I'm very curious about your results because I need a pair of SDC's soon.

 

[Han]

H2o, I don't wanna ruffle any feathers, but there was a post of Alan on another forum where he said something like 'everybody knows the B5 is a clone of the C4'. That thread got deleted.

There are a lot of similarities between the C4 and B5 tho and everybody knows Behringer is a clone factory.

 

[DJL]

Let's go DJ...

I needed a cheap omni talkback room mic in the studio... so I got a B5.

 

[DJL]

H2o, I don't wanna ruffle any feathers, but there was a post of Alan on another forum where he said something like 'everybody knows the B5 is a clone of the C4'. That thread got deleted.

There are a lot of similarities between the C4 and B5 tho and everybody knows Behringer is a clone factory.

Han, please don't get involed with this... I like you too much and I don't want to see you get the knid of crap I've been getting... we need you here and unless you have a very thick flame suit it will just make you not want to stick around and help anyone anymore. But thank you.

Oh, and it's obvious H2oskiphil will never get it... so, I'm not going to waste my time with him either.

 

[DJL]

You guys have anything better to do? heh...

It'll be awhile, as right now I probably wont use them again until next sunday for a one song project someone is bringing in, and then derby weekend after that I took off to enjoy the local Mardi Gras, but the weekend after I have a nice solid 11 song project going friday through sunday, so thats when I'll get my better idea of the C4's. Probably use them on acoustic guitar and other stuff on that session too, might even try them in weird places like dirty cabs.

The drummer came over today and said that after going to 3 different local studios, the drums that I got for him in a large beroom in my house were the best his have ever sounded.
Take that to the bank beeotch. Pay me.

Thanks tubedude, hopefully you'll get a chance to use them on acoustic guitar, strings, piano, and etc. All the reviews I've read about the C4's as drum overheads have been positive so far.

 

[ausrock]

DJ,

The reason you continue to "get crap" as you so eloquently put it is because you continually ask for it. You couldn't do any better if you tattoo'd "Put Shit On Me" on your forehead.

At least I've got to commend your consistancy.

 

[DJL]

DJ,

The reason you continue to "get crap" as you so eloquently put it is because you continually ask for it. You couldn't do any better if you tattoo'd "Put Shit On Me" on your forehead.

At least I've got to commend your consistancy.

No, the reason why I get crap is because I post my opinion and you 797A/SP lovers don't like it... but, thanks for helping keep this thread on subject and not about me.... lol.

 

[H2oskiphil]

H2o, I don't wanna ruffle any feathers, but there was a post of Alan on another forum where he said something like 'everybody knows the B5 is a clone of the C4'. That thread got deleted.

There are a lot of similarities between the C4 and B5 tho and everybody knows Behringer is a clone factory.

Han-

I saw that thread. Alan made it pretty clear that the B5 looked a lot like the C4, and that he wasn't happy about it. The fact that he called it a clone doesn't necessarily mean that it was an identical copy, just that it looked a lot like the C4.

The MXL 2001 looks a lot like the U87. Does that make it a clone? Or just a mic that looks a lot like a U87? I suppose that to an absolute newbie, if you put them side by side and told them that one was $79 and one was $3K, the newbie would be reaching for the 2001 every time. But for anyone who has half a clue, the price would be an indicator that the two were probably significantly different once you get past the mesh around the diaphragm...and that the two were not aimed at the same target audience (and thus the definition of competitors...).

Behringer is obviously a clone factory-they've copied everything there is. But if I were in the market for a $300 or so set of SDCs, I wouldn't be looking at the $150 Behringer knockoffs of $300 SDCs, not just because they weren't in the price range that I was shopping in, but also because "Behringer is a clone factory", and it's pretty common knowledge that their copies of products don't work as well as the originals. OTOH, if I had $150 to spend on SDCs, the B5's would be a player, along with 603's and the Meek 27's. But the C4's would NOT be in this group, because of the price point.

Semantics, maybe?

 

[ausrock]

Gee DJ, is "797A/SP lovers " your best shot...............I would have expected your vivid imagination to come up with something better than that.

Maybe it's just preoccupied with trying to invent new ways of being a dick.

 

[H2oskiphil]

I needed a cheap omni talkback room mic in the studio... so I got a B5.

Oh, that explains it.

I can't wait for your review of the B5 as a cheap talkback mic. When you've used it for enough sessions as a cheap talkback mic in the studio, I look forward to your review, since that's the only thing that's keeping you from reviewing the B5, right?

For example... I haven't used the Behringer B5 enough yet to post a review.

Is there a lot of demand for reviews of talkback mics?

 

[Flatpicker]

...I saw that thread. Alan made it pretty clear that the B5 looked a lot like the C4, and that he wasn't happy about it. The fact that he called it a clone doesn't necessarily mean that it was an identical copy, just that it looked a lot like the C4...

Also at that time Alan was assuming that 797 had given his design to B'ger. But since then 797 has informed Alan other wise, and if he's not concerned about it, then we shouldn't be either.

Anyway, as I've stated many times before, the funny thing about the B5 is that it uses the Shanghai grille design. Like, what's up with that? My guess is that they just were not allowed to copy the SP design other than the looks, i.e. the mic casing itself.

 

[bgavin]

Use the Ignore function please. I'd like to see more convesation about the C4, and much less about the constant rants over Alan Hyatt. The Ignore function restores a lot of bandwidth that is otherwise totally wasted.

 

[DJL]

Gee DJ, is "797A/SP lovers " your best shot...............I would have expected your vivid imagination to come up with something better than that.

Maybe it's just preoccupied with trying to invent new ways of being a dick.

As I stated earlier in this thread to tubedude... this is not the direction I wanted his thread to go... if you don't have anything nice to say... or anything to say about the C4 there is no need for me to reply to you in this thread anymore... and the same goes for you H2oskiphil.

Richard Monroe... I also like you because your alway a great help to everyone on this bbs... so please read my last post to Han because I should have included you in that post. Peace.

 

[H2oskiphil]

As I stated earlier in this thread to tubedude... this is not the direction I wanted his thread to go... if you don't have anything nice to say... or anything to say about the C4 there is no need for me to reply to you in this thread anymore...

If you could curb your enthusiasm for taking potshots at Alan Hyatt and PMI, NO thread would ever go in this direction. Instead, you take your shots at PMI/Studio Projects, people call you on them, and then you attempt to wiggle off the hook by saying "This isn't the way this thread started...if you don't want to talk about mics..." or some such ilk, never admitting to anyone that the reason the thread took that turn in the first place is because you couldn't resist taking a shot at PMI.

Look at the 603/012 thread for a perfect example of what can happen if you don't get the opportunity to rip PMI about something...it's called cooperation.

 

[DJL]

If you could curb your enthusiasm for taking potshots at Alan Hyatt and PMI, NO thread would ever go in this direction. Instead, you take your shots at PMI/Studio Projects, people call you on them, and then you attempt to wiggle off the hook by saying "This isn't the way this thread started...if you don't want to talk about mics..." or some such ilk, never admitting to anyone that the reason the thread took that turn in the first place is because you couldn't resist taking a shot at PMI.

Look at the 603/012 thread for a perfect example of what can happen if you don't get the opportunity to rip PMI about something...it's called cooperation.

It's about time you started trying to help people... i.e. the 603/012 thread.

Why do you have a problem with me posting my opinion about 797 Audio/Studio projects mics? Why do have a problem with me posting my opinion about Behringer? What is your real interest in 797 Audio/Studio Projects/PMI?

 

[Warhead]

I agree. The C-4's are Studio Projects best bang for buck entry, and no small diaphragms in their price range come close. I would continue to recomment Rode NT5 to the Europeans and Australians, where their price point makes them attractive, and MXL 603s to those who are on a tight budget. I'd love to get a good review on the new AKG cheapie (?C430).-Richie

The C4's are nice overhead drum mics, and sort of blah as acoustic guitar mics. The NT5's are about the same type sound (smooth mids and strong bottom end), but are slightly darker than the SP's which can and cannot be an advantage at times. I reviewed them both at www.mojopie.com , the NT5 review was a quicky and only on drum overheads, Steve added his acoustic guitar impressions at the bottom.

I emailed a guy that was involved in designing the C430's (I wish I had his name and his email response, it's on my dead PC and I'm typing from my kids' pc right now! ) and he told me they would not be suitable for recording and were designed as a low cost live use mic.

War

Warren Dent
www.frontendaudio.com