Stephen Paul Audio (SPA)

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I just find it hard to believe that seemingly intelligent people can be that easily confused or misled.

Sorry CI2nd, but I believe there is sufficient information both on that links page and elsewhere on the site to negate any possible confusion, and why on earth post the question here when Alan Hyatt is so approachable by email................unless of course you want to stir up more anti PMI dramas.

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ausrock said:
Sorry CI2nd, but I believe there is sufficient information both on that links page and elsewhere on the site to negate any possible confusion,
Well, obviously not quite, because intelligent people like acorec were confused. Also, there may have been enough info within the site, but that links page itself was confusing. People shouldn't have to search the entire site to make sense of a links page. :)


ausrock said:
and why on earth post the question here when Alan Hyatt is so approachable by email................unless of course you want to stir up more anti PMI dramas.

:cool:

I think you may have a point there. :)
 
LOL...............I'm damned certain I have a point there.

And I ask again..........."do you think that acorec, after seeing that link listing, also believed that PMI owned Sony"

Sorry mate, but whichever way you poke this, things just don't add up.



:cool:
 
i think the djl bashing is really stupid at this point.. he seems to really be making an effort to not offend anyone.

Besides that. If youre in Northern California... im about an hour noth of San Francisco, and Banana's at Large in San Rafeal has SP mics now.
 
I think what has "really happened here" is:

DJL asks something, but not much of anything seems to be a true genuinely curious question... And is then perceived as conniving setups of some-sort in order to venomously broadcast some-sort of incogitable scam by the parties in question... Though he has failed to reveal any point or purpose of any of this. Any time he thinks he's making a point, he only displays how much he doesn't know of the situation while making bland contrary statements regarding history and current politics of what he truly believes is fact.

People get upset and call him on it. DJL claims they are nothing but honest questions out of pure interest and that he doesn't have a loaded 12-gauge under his trench coat.

That's how I've viewed it this entire time. I'd imagine that's what most people see what has "really happened"?

Regardless, I leave an open-invitation to any and all to come hang-out and shoot-the-shit with me in my home and studio.

So all you guys in Northern CA, you've got no excuse... Or I'll be coming your way with an invitation given to me! I'll bring a few mics or something! ;)

Weston Ray aka Recording Engineer
 
ausrock said:
LOL...............I'm damned certain I have a point there.

And I ask again..........."do you think that acorec, after seeing that link listing, also believed that PMI owned Sony"

Sorry mate, but whichever way you poke this, things just don't add up.



:cool:

Look, Alan has claimed to own several companies, i.e. Joe meek, Studio Projects, etc. It is common knowledge that he was working with Stephen Paul on a mic. I don't think it was such a far fetched question, in light of the way it was posted on their website, to ask if PMI had purchased SPA, regardless of the fact that Sony was listed there. The Sony link could have been a mistake.

PMI must have agreed that it was misleading or they wouldn't have changed it.

Just because you dug deeper, probably because of this thread, doesn't mean that someone else wouldn't have been mislead.

Blessings, Terry
 
This has got to be the most idiotic thread ever posted in the mic forum!! What is the point of this thread? Why is every-1 argueing
over some SPA/PMI innuendo? Is this thread meant to prove anything?? ABSOULTELY USLESS!!

Now when some-1 posts a thread on valuable information and the availability of future SP mics (the "E" for ex), then maybe a discussion on the plusses & minuses can be had here in this forum and not this useless waste of bandwidth!
 
ausrock said:
LOL...............I'm damned certain I have a point there.

And I ask again..........."do you think that acorec, after seeing that link listing, also believed that PMI owned Sony"

Sorry mate, but whichever way you poke this, things just don't add up.



:cool:

All that happened to me is:

I did a search on "Stephen Paul Audio" in google.
I clicked that link.
A webpage came up with PMI
The page said "PMI companies"
SPA was included in here.
I was trying to get to Stephan Paul Audio to get info on getting my U87 modified.

That is when I thought that maybe PMI bought out SPA.
I asked a question like everyone else here. I am no expert on PMI or SPA.

Some of you guys need a life.


That is all.
 
acorec said:
All that happened to me is:

I did a search on "Stephen Paul Audio" in google.
I clicked that link.
A webpage came up with PMI
The page said "PMI companies"
SPA was included in here.
I was trying to get to Stephan Paul Audio to get info on getting my U87 modified.

That is when I thought that maybe PMI bought out SPA.
I asked a question like everyone else here. I am no expert on PMI or SPA.

Some of you guys need a life.


That is all.

This seems perfectly reasonable to me.
 
cominginsecond said:
This seems perfectly reasonable to me.
I agree... and if the original reply to his question would have been answered differently this thread would have most likely only been a 2 or 3 post thread.
 
Here's some info that I saved from a something Stephen posted. I can't remember which forum, but it was one of the popular ones... maybe even from his forum at Rec.org.

"I decided that with the technology I was using, and with the present economic situation, and finally with the sheer quality I wanted, regardless of price, the mike is being built entirely in the US, including the capsule.

The target release is NAMM, we're hauling ass to make that, but it's important to understand that we might even be a bit late. February is the latest that the go button should be pressed on full assembly, including the first run of subassemblies. Try to understand that most mikes are no longer tour de forces in industrial design, as well as styling, etc. This is.
Because I want certain things that have never been fixed, though some designers who truly know their onions have wanted to, couldn't, and those have been fixed here, but some of the technology allowing us to do it has only become available in the last six months.

And we are racing to keep things within cost, reasonable deadlines, and the fact that already there are over one hundred and fifty orders. That's the first run, plus part of the second run already sold out. If the mike is honestly on the street say, by end of March, the second run will be a lot larger, but still small as we ramp up production, get the last bugs out and so on. There is almost no off the shelf stuff in here, from the custom injection molded switches, to the capsule.

The amp alone blew us out of our chairs, using the same head, being moved between our standard 1.5u mod, and the new amp with the same head, and it didn't even have all the little changes we're making in some other places, but the mods that usually go out on an 87 amp, when this amp is used, is an entirely new order of mike.

Frankly I was flabbergasted at the enormous difference just the amp alone made.

That gave us the idea that the capsule had to be made here, because 1) The amp is going to show everything, though the naturalness of it was incredible, and 2) with the amp that good, we just could not get a Chinese capsule that met my spec, and in addition, I really do not want this technology given away like that.

So be patient. You should see it in January, no later than February, and street by end of March. And order as soon as you can, as the first runs are going to be small. But to watch the ten we are making come together finally, is very, very exciting, and I will try and work things out so that there isn't longer than a six week wait for a mike once it's ordered and the line is up and running. Finally things will stabilize and procurement will be easier.

But I'll say this, I think they're beautiful. Just beautiful. And there is no competition at any price, on sound and innovation, not to mention ruggedness.

Target street price is about $1600+

But definitely well under two grand. This is the solid state model with custom FETs I had made, and several other innovations that I won't mention till the mike is on the way. Suffice it to say that to have all this mike has, and the sound too, it is a major value, as it will record almost anything, and be a very versatile mike even for the project studio owner, who needs every mike in their collection to do quadruple duty.

Just to give you an idea, the tolerance on the outer diameter of all the pieces that fit together to make the mike, is alone +-.002". That's just the body main parts.

You have no idea how tight the whole thing is, all the way through, especially the capsule. Believe me, it kills me I can't tell you all the cool shit I put in this thing, but let's just say that ninety percent or so of the things I've wanted to see are there, and I have a pretty active imagination.

The key word: Elegance.
If you love elegance, in both the construction of your stuff as well as in the sound, this should do it. I wanted it to have class.
And that takes time.

You should see what it's done to my notebooks, anechoic facility, and lathe and mill. Not to mention the constant vigilance concerning QC, tolerances, and wabbits. I may get more info out there, but just hafta be verrry careful. The sharks are out there, and they can't wait to see what I did.

That's why we must establish that we absolutely manufactured these innovations first, (and designed them, in some cases) so that in the future there can be zero dispute as to where these things first came from. Little stuff, likr finding ways to keep all wires from the capsule to the amp under an inch long with hygroscopically sealed Hi-Z board and components. Three inches of wire can take your Dead Capacitance up so much that up to or more than three dB of S/N can be lost from the capsule.

The 87, for example, has over five inches of wiring in the pattern control and capsule section, and the C12 has over six inches. It's one reason that C12s are so noisy and need special care to make them quiet. Other features are much more obvious in their functions, but nevertheless are things I've always wanted in even my lower cost LD mikes.

Finally, the pattern switch has no audio in it whatsoever, is a sealed custom made MIL rotary switch with custom molded parts, and seals, and only has lo-Z DC running through it.
And the mike is absolutely quiet when you switch patterns. No loud switching noises, etc. Special care is also taken to keep the converter from getting into the output.

And of course, the same sub-wavelength of light tolerances on the backplates and rings, etc. that have made what we build so well-known. One of our machinists is investing in a new Fanuc machine just to be able to make the capsules to my specs over the long haul. And even though two tenths is what the machine is capable of, the backplates still are lapped to multiple bands of parallel lines, which is flatter than several cycles of roughly 720nm wavelength light.

It's been a real headache to do all this plus the things I can't mention (that aren't cheap) and keep the costs under control here, but I'd rather it cost a tiny bit more (100-200 bucks of target, and we might be right on target) and have the intrinsic value and quality, than save a bit more, make more profit and lose those things."
 
WOW.

I've had a standing order with Alan for one of these mics since the concept was first mentioned in this Forum. This is the first mention I've seen of the mic being multi-pattern.

It just makes it that much more "sorrowful" that Stephen Paul didn't survive long enough to see this mic debut.

Everything I have read about SP points to a true Renaissance Man. I can't believe the audacity of folks here picking apart the work of a true innovator, someone whose work is heard DAILY around the world and goes for the most part unrecognized.
 
c7sus said:
I can't believe the audacity of folks here picking apart the work of a true innovator
I think it's called "profound ignorance." Or maybe it was "vociferous stupidity." I'm pretty sure it isn't "screaming asshole." But it's got to be something like that when a person don't have a clue what he's talking about.
Might wait until there's something to rip before you rip it.
 
Bowisc said:
Here's some info that I saved from a something Stephen posted. I can't remember which forum, but it was one of the popular ones... maybe even from his forum at Rec.org.

"I decided that with the technology I was using, and with the present economic situation, and finally with the sheer quality I wanted, regardless of price, the mike is being built entirely in the US, including the capsule.

The target release is NAMM, we're hauling ass to make that, but it's important to understand that we might even be a bit late. February is the latest that the go button should be pressed on full assembly, including the first run of subassemblies. Try to understand that most mikes are no longer tour de forces in industrial design, as well as styling, etc. This is.
Because I want certain things that have never been fixed, though some designers who truly know their onions have wanted to, couldn't, and those have been fixed here, but some of the technology allowing us to do it has only become available in the last six months.

And we are racing to keep things within cost, reasonable deadlines, and the fact that already there are over one hundred and fifty orders. That's the first run, plus part of the second run already sold out. If the mike is honestly on the street say, by end of March, the second run will be a lot larger, but still small as we ramp up production, get the last bugs out and so on. There is almost no off the shelf stuff in here, from the custom injection molded switches, to the capsule.

The amp alone blew us out of our chairs, using the same head, being moved between our standard 1.5u mod, and the new amp with the same head, and it didn't even have all the little changes we're making in some other places, but the mods that usually go out on an 87 amp, when this amp is used, is an entirely new order of mike.

Frankly I was flabbergasted at the enormous difference just the amp alone made.

That gave us the idea that the capsule had to be made here, because 1) The amp is going to show everything, though the naturalness of it was incredible, and 2) with the amp that good, we just could not get a Chinese capsule that met my spec, and in addition, I really do not want this technology given away like that.

So be patient. You should see it in January, no later than February, and street by end of March. And order as soon as you can, as the first runs are going to be small. But to watch the ten we are making come together finally, is very, very exciting, and I will try and work things out so that there isn't longer than a six week wait for a mike once it's ordered and the line is up and running. Finally things will stabilize and procurement will be easier.

But I'll say this, I think they're beautiful. Just beautiful. And there is no competition at any price, on sound and innovation, not to mention ruggedness.

Target street price is about $1600+

But definitely well under two grand. This is the solid state model with custom FETs I had made, and several other innovations that I won't mention till the mike is on the way. Suffice it to say that to have all this mike has, and the sound too, it is a major value, as it will record almost anything, and be a very versatile mike even for the project studio owner, who needs every mike in their collection to do quadruple duty.

Just to give you an idea, the tolerance on the outer diameter of all the pieces that fit together to make the mike, is alone +-.002". That's just the body main parts.

You have no idea how tight the whole thing is, all the way through, especially the capsule. Believe me, it kills me I can't tell you all the cool shit I put in this thing, but let's just say that ninety percent or so of the things I've wanted to see are there, and I have a pretty active imagination.

The key word: Elegance.
If you love elegance, in both the construction of your stuff as well as in the sound, this should do it. I wanted it to have class.
And that takes time.

You should see what it's done to my notebooks, anechoic facility, and lathe and mill. Not to mention the constant vigilance concerning QC, tolerances, and wabbits. I may get more info out there, but just hafta be verrry careful. The sharks are out there, and they can't wait to see what I did.

That's why we must establish that we absolutely manufactured these innovations first, (and designed them, in some cases) so that in the future there can be zero dispute as to where these things first came from. Little stuff, likr finding ways to keep all wires from the capsule to the amp under an inch long with hygroscopically sealed Hi-Z board and components. Three inches of wire can take your Dead Capacitance up so much that up to or more than three dB of S/N can be lost from the capsule.

The 87, for example, has over five inches of wiring in the pattern control and capsule section, and the C12 has over six inches. It's one reason that C12s are so noisy and need special care to make them quiet. Other features are much more obvious in their functions, but nevertheless are things I've always wanted in even my lower cost LD mikes.

Finally, the pattern switch has no audio in it whatsoever, is a sealed custom made MIL rotary switch with custom molded parts, and seals, and only has lo-Z DC running through it.
And the mike is absolutely quiet when you switch patterns. No loud switching noises, etc. Special care is also taken to keep the converter from getting into the output.

And of course, the same sub-wavelength of light tolerances on the backplates and rings, etc. that have made what we build so well-known. One of our machinists is investing in a new Fanuc machine just to be able to make the capsules to my specs over the long haul. And even though two tenths is what the machine is capable of, the backplates still are lapped to multiple bands of parallel lines, which is flatter than several cycles of roughly 720nm wavelength light.

It's been a real headache to do all this plus the things I can't mention (that aren't cheap) and keep the costs under control here, but I'd rather it cost a tiny bit more (100-200 bucks of target, and we might be right on target) and have the intrinsic value and quality, than save a bit more, make more profit and lose those things."
When did Stephen post that message...what was the date?
 
Do everybody here a huge fuckin favor and just go away.

You are without a doubt the most repellant asshole ever to grace this board, and that's saying A LOT.
 
c7sus said:
Do everybody here a huge fuckin favor and just go away.

You are without a doubt the most repellant asshole ever to grace this board, and that's saying A LOT.
Oh graceful c7sus, please teach me to grace this borad like you do.
 
It was posted only a matter of (a couple or a few) months ago...............which should be obvious by relating what Stephen said to existing known information.

:cool:
 
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