Single / Dual / Triple Rectifier

[geet73]

900's blow worse than Rectifiers. The DSL/TSL series is much better but still not on par with the 30th Anniversary.

Eh, I still don't the Marshalls all that much. They work, just not like I'd like.

Jose built Marshall guts stuffed in a Peavy box Has great tone, I admit that.

I don't know how true it is.. but it's still a 5150 and not a Marshall.

Does he have sound samples?

I can post a video for you if you'd like, doesn't sound too great, but they don't have any recordings.

He plays a Rectifier Maverick 2X12" Combo. The other guitarist has a Single Rectifier Solo. The other dude plays on clean, the pushed one. He uses the solo feature for a nice boost.

 

[SilverSurfer]

Eh, I still don't the Marshalls all that much. They work, just not like I'd like.

I don't know how true it is.. but it's still a 5150 and not a Marshall.

Heh,the 5150 Pod tone I downloaded has what AMP simulation driving it? JCM-800

I can post a video for you if you'd like, doesn't sound too great, but they don't have any recordings.

He plays a Rectifier Maverick 2X12" Combo. The other guitarist has a Single Rectifier Solo. The other dude plays on clean, the pushed one. He uses the solo feature for a nice boost.

I'd like to check it out sometime.

 

[tubedude]

Well, reading only the 1st page of this thread and not the next 3, I have several points to make.
1st off... the mesa is not muddy. At all. None. If it is turn the bass down, you are crazy. Period. I can say this because... I have 3 of them at my house right now. An older dual, and older triple, an a new dual 3 channel.
The Marshalls are inherently more muddy than Mesas. I can say this because I have owned 2 Marshalls, have tried out about 300 of them.
Now, I like a good Marshall tone. BUT... Marshall QC sucks. Do not argue this fact for it is true and anyone will tell you this and you can prove it to yourself by walking into a big dealer, turning on all the identical marshalls, and playing through each one. They will all sound different, and half of them will suck. Yes, they will, cause I have done it, several times, as have about 1,000 other people (go to RAP and do a search). The mesas on the other hand, will all sound identical, as the 3 at my house do, and they are seveal years apart in age. That, my friend, is QC.
Next point... there is no such thing as a "Marshall" switch on any of the Mesas, or even anything vaguely resembling that. You must have had a line 6 and mistaken it for a Mesa. Bad call.
Sometimes, I would like to have a little bit of the Marshall (ahem GOOD marshall) midrange, but shit, the Mesa just sounds great, and for modern rock it unbeatable (not unmatchable, mind you, you can do just as well with a GOOD marshall) except with a Bogner Ubershall, which is just plain unbeatable period by any mesa or Marshall. The Rec is modern sounding, and sits in a mix like a motherfucker. No other amp I've tried sits that way right out of the gate, and I have lots of amps roll through the studio every week, and most of them end up paying my $15 tube charge and using my Mesa in the end.
If you want more of a marshall sound from the mesa, turn down the presense, gain and treble, turn up the mid some, and there you have it. Want more of a vox clean sound? Switch to spongy and tube rectifier mode and voila.
The Mesa has way too many settings to say it doesnt do shit next to a Marshall, which has none. If it seemed muddy or boxy to you, it was probably on sponge and tube rectifier with the gain too high for that setting. It adds a weird low mid that can be kinda weird for heavy tones, but perfectly awesome for clean tones.
Know what you're doing before you make crappy uneducated claims as fact on a board where people take your ideas and make high dollar purchases based on them. Thats a shitty thing to do to someone. I would be PISSED if someone here talked me into buying a Marshall instead of a Bogner because they swore by it and never heard the Bogner. A million people claim the 57 is the greatest mic of all time. Well, having used it against every other mic I have, I realize that its the worst of the bunch, and no its not a bad one. I should kill everyone that made me waste $75 on that mic, but it does come in handy here and there when I run out of good mics.
By the way, Bogner rules. I would sell my Mesa in a second for an even trade on an Ubershall.

 

[tubedude]

Ahhh, I just read another page back.... seems our Marshall fanatic thinks that real tone is Def Leppard from the, what, 80's? No fucking wonder, geez, THAT brings it all into perspective. Thats not the "modern" sound MOST people are looking for. In fact, that sound would not make it past the garage band demo stage these days because its not the sound of NOW. I like that album, I like the band, but I would not want that sound in this day and age.

And back to that muddy thing. Man, the recto is a bright, fizzy amp and can be unbearably so if you dont choose proper settings. The last thing it is, is muddy. In fact, I'm going to TRY to make mine muddy just to see if it can do that. I dont think it can. Boomy it'll do, with the bass crancked, but not muddy I think. I'll try it later on tonight.

 

[-=¤willhaven¤=-]

in my experience you can easily make a mesa sound muddy... but only if you wanted to and it is easily correctable.

the whole ideal behind mesa is that you shouldnt have to turn everything to 10 to make it sound good. (which is why i wont buy the road king, but that is another story alltogether)

the only thing i turn on 10 on my mesa are the PRESENCE and the GAIN for the distortion channel. having the GAIN on 10 isnt even needed when i am playing really loud. all the other tone controls are closer to the middle.

i owned marshalls for a while, and even with controls maxed out i couldnt get the tone i wanted. didnt mean it was a bad amp, it just wasnt my match.

P.S. tubedude... what year is your older triple recto? i've got a 94 with inverse-coloring and i absolutely love it. i've got 3 items i will never part with: my first GOOD guitar, a guitar given to me as a gift from a family member, and that amp.

 

[tubedude]

The old triple I have here isnt mine anymore, I sold it to a friend, he sold it to someone else, and somehow this guys band ended up at my studio and its back home for awhile. It is plum-crazy-purple leather, and was pristine when I sold it. It now looks like it was fed to a tree shredder. Very sad. Very sad indeed.
The newer dual 3 channel is mine.

 

[-=¤willhaven¤=-]

ahh purple leather. i wish mine were both purple suede. that would be rare as hell to have. especially with the cab having diamond plate and the head colors being inverse (chrome chassis, black diamond plate, blue light, inverse knob colors as well)

mine is in pretty decent condition considering its been tossed in the back of my old van and stacked in with lots of drum stands for years with only the slipcover over it.

currently i am cross country and dont have it with me. when i visit home again, i need to obtain some road cases so i can ship it to the east coast. i miss my amp.

i also flirted with the road king head. those things are insane. the only thing about them that i don't like is that the reverb is super weak and tracks badly. there is a long delay when switching channels, etc.

if they would only make the reverb rival a fender, i would have to buy one of those.

 

[SilverSurfer]

Ahhh, I just read another page back.... seems our Marshall fanatic thinks that real tone is Def Leppard from the, what, 80's? No fucking wonder, geez, THAT brings it all into perspective. Thats not the "modern" sound MOST people are looking for. In fact, that sound would not make it past the garage band demo stage these days because its not the sound of NOW. I like that album, I like the band, but I would not want that sound in this day and age.

No, I never said that. You don't read.

I think REAL tone, the ULTIMATE BEST TONE I've ever heard is EVH's tone on VH1. Particularly on UNCHAINED.

Who said "Modern" sounding amps sounded the best?! Why do you think there are so many old Marshall's in recording studios right now. Even Greenday uses Marshalls...

And back to that muddy thing. Man, the recto is a bright, fizzy amp and can be unbearably so if you dont choose proper settings. The last thing it is, is muddy. In fact, I'm going to TRY to make mine muddy just to see if it can do that. I dont think it can. Boomy it'll do, with the bass crancked, but not muddy I think. I'll try it later on tonight.

The rectifier should be renamed rectumfire because it sounds like a$$.

Just my opinion though. You already knew that.

Also, the Mesa DOES have a "classic" switch, which is supposed to emulate a classic British amp - and it fails miserably.

 

[Purge]

I think REAL tone, the ULTIMATE BEST TONE I've ever heard is EVH's tone on VH1. Particularly on UNCHAINED.

(snicker... ) Hey, you are an expert! I'm beginning to trust your opinions more and more due to the fact that you must own an incredibly limited edition of VH1...

Ah hell, can't resist a good-natured ball-breaking every now and then.

 

[Farview]

Also, the Mesa DOES have a "classic" switch, which is supposed to emulate a classic British amp - and it fails miserably.

The classic switch doesn't emulate anything. It makes the amp sag like a classice british amp, but it doesn't change the gain structure or the tone stack. You misunderstood what the switch was supposed to do, and you got pissed off that it didn't do something it was never supposed to.
Marshalls are very easy, you turn them up and they just sound like they do, you can't do anything about it short of modification. The Mesa gives you choices, Marshall guys aren't used to that and they get confused. Most of the modifications that people do to Marshalls make them sound more like Boogies. (Gain mods, low end boost, mid shift)

 

[tubedude]

The classic switch doesn't emulate anything. It makes the amp sag like a classice british amp, but it doesn't change the gain structure or the tone stack. You misunderstood what the switch was supposed to do, and you got pissed off that it didn't do something it was never supposed to.
Marshalls are very easy, you turn them up and they just sound like they do, you can't do anything about it short of modification. The Mesa gives you choices, Marshall guys aren't used to that and they get confused. Most of the modifications that people do to Marshalls make them sound more like Boogies. (Gain mods, low end boost, mid shift)

Amen. The Mesa was too tricky so now someone hates them for it. Too bad I guess. Mine sounds as good as anything that comes in the studio.
Also, none of the recs I have at the house (I looked a little while ago) have a classic switch. There is Hi power/spongy (spongy brings the internal working voltage down and well, makes it have a spongy kind of feel, not as immediate) and it has modern silicon diode high gain/tube rectifier switch.
The "classic" amps that the rectifier switch emulates isnt Marshall, smart guy, its old old tube rectifier amps. I've NEVER seen a Marshall, new or old, with 5U4G's in it. Now, maybe they had em at one time, but I'm willing to bet you've never had or heard one personally, so you cant say wether it does or does not sound like a Marshall with a tube rectifier. Therefore, your opinion was based on nothing but speculation, and again, you should not post such "opinions" in a place where people may use your opinion to blow a years worth of savings.
Learn how to use the amp, then figure out what your opinions REALLY are. Til then, love you Marshall and its simplistic one way design.
Peace
Paul

 

[Farview]

There is Hi power/spongy (spongy brings the internal working voltage down and well, makes it have a spongy kind of feel, not as immediate)

You mean like the variac the Eddie Van Halen was using on his Marshall in the '70's.

 

[-=¤willhaven¤=-]

so i am supposed to take tone tips from this guy?

the guy who never turns off his fucking chorus pedal?

 

[Farview]

It isn't a chorus, it's a pitch shifter.

 

[SilverSurfer]

(snicker... ) Hey, you are an expert! I'm beginning to trust your opinions more and more due to the fact that you must own an incredibly limited edition of VH1...

Ah hell, can't resist a good-natured ball-breaking every now and then.

Mental note: "don't argue when you're tired."

I know that Unchained isn't on the VH1 Album.

My bad.

 

[SilverSurfer]

The classic switch doesn't emulate anything. It makes the amp sag like a classice british amp, but it doesn't change the gain structure or the tone stack. You misunderstood what the switch was supposed to do, and you got pissed off that it didn't do something it was never supposed to.
Marshalls are very easy, you turn them up and they just sound like they do, you can't do anything about it short of modification. The Mesa gives you choices, Marshall guys aren't used to that and they get confused. Most of the modifications that people do to Marshalls make them sound more like Boogies. (Gain mods, low end boost, mid shift)

I've never heard a boogie that sounds "brown" - ever. The box stock 30th Anniversary Marshall in Blue Tolex (I believe that was the first year of them), sounds incredible. Every Blue Tolex 30th I have heard has that brown sound that you could never get with a Rectifier.

When I used the Triple, all I know is neither myself, my other guitarist or the tech who delivered the amp could make it sound decent for what we were playing. Granted, the Rectifier wasn't made to sound like a Marshall and in that respect, I can't fault it. I can say that IN MY OPINION and listening to that amp compared to my 30th - it just sounds terrible.

It that respect, I wouldn't expect my Marshall to sound great chugging along to Disturbed or Godsmack either.

 

[SilverSurfer]

Amen. The Mesa was too tricky so now someone hates them for it. Too bad I guess. Mine sounds as good as anything that comes in the studio.
Also, none of the recs I have at the house (I looked a little while ago) have a classic switch. There is Hi power/spongy (spongy brings the internal working voltage down and well, makes it have a spongy kind of feel, not as immediate) and it has modern silicon diode high gain/tube rectifier switch.
The "classic" amps that the rectifier switch emulates isnt Marshall, smart guy, its old old tube rectifier amps. I've NEVER seen a Marshall, new or old, with 5U4G's in it. Now, maybe they had em at one time, but I'm willing to bet you've never had or heard one personally, so you cant say wether it does or does not sound like a Marshall with a tube rectifier. Therefore, your opinion was based on nothing but speculation, and again, you should not post such "opinions" in a place where people may use your opinion to blow a years worth of savings.
Learn how to use the amp, then figure out what your opinions REALLY are. Til then, love you Marshall and its simplistic one way design.
Peace
Paul

My opinion was based off the EXPERIENCE of being stuck having to use a triple rectifier for a gig when the rider clearly called for Marshall's. And yes, it has a "classic" switch on it. It was a BRAND NEW Triple. Never used, right out of the box.

It sounded like A$$.....that's the best way to describe how that amp sounded. Maybe we could have made that amp sound somewhat good but nobody had the time required to do so.

 

[Farview]

It that respect, I wouldn't expect my Marshall to sound great chugging along to Disturbed or Godsmack either.

Disturbed uses Marshalls

 

[SilverSurfer]

Disturbed uses Marshalls

Off the shelf Marshalls?

 

[HangDawg]

My opinion was based off the EXPERIENCE of being stuck having to use a triple rectifier for a gig when the rider clearly called for Marshall's. And yes, it has a "classic" switch on it. It was a BRAND NEW Triple. Never used, right out of the box.

It sounded like A$$.....that's the best way to describe how that amp sounded. Maybe we could have made that amp sound somewhat good but nobody had the time required to do so.

Mine sounded like ass out of the box too. But, that's because one of the power tubes was loose from the base.