Single / Dual / Triple Rectifier

[SilverSurfer]

HA, ah well behaved Idiot. That I like. Always makes good discussion. Now back on topic you really ignored (which is best for you really) the fact that first a good player doesn't touch mesa, and now all of a sudden the mark IV is great.

If you read from the beginning, I've always said the Mark IV was great and the rectumfire sucked. READ the entire thread please.

If you just admit you were wrong by stating thast marshall is best and should have said "I like marshall best and hate the rectumfrier (old but lovely)" THAT would have been an opinion. And discussion would have continued normally.

Ok fair enough.

You insult yourself by acting that you are the know-it-all-god-of-tone and i like to add. No that is not a good thing, but hey, I'm human too!

Now, please refrain from stating opinion as fact.

G.

ps. I do not own a rectifier. I have an old studio .22 combo. And the DSL. Uncomparable...

Marshall tone rules. I'll never change my opinion on that.

 

[Farview]

Silversufer, next time you are in Chicago rent from Andy's. They have Marshalls from the 70's if you want them. More equipment than you can safley drool over in a week.
http://www.andysmusic.com/
The website sucks but the have always had everything I have ever needed.

 

[SilverSurfer]

Silversufer, next time you are in Chicago rent from Andy's. They have Marshalls from the 70's if you want them. More equipment than you can safley drool over in a week.
http://www.andysmusic.com/
The website sucks but the have always had everything I have ever needed.

Thanks for the lead!

 

[SilverSurfer]

that's exactly where I was going. I've heard people get pretty good results that way.

HangDawg, thanks for the suggestion. The Pod sounds amazing direct through the monitors. I have to remove the cab effects and work on mic placement but so far I am pretty darn happy with the sound.

I can make some sound samples tonight if you want to hear it. I am just thinking of some classic Metal riffs I can play to show you. I wouldn't recommend the clean channels (I'll use my EMG60 and boss pedals for that).

 

[HangDawg]

HangDawg, thanks for the suggestion. The Pod sounds amazing direct through the monitors. I have to remove the cab effects and work on mic placement but so far I am pretty darn happy with the sound.

I can make some sound samples tonight if you want to hear it. I am just thinking of some classic Metal riffs I can play to show you. I wouldn't recommend the clean channels (I'll use my EMG60 and boss pedals for that).

Yep, have to turn off the speaker sim I would guess. Mic placement, I'm guessing, is going to be hard. I would think there will be even a smaller "Sweet Spot" than with a regular 12" celestion speaker.


Post some clips when you get em.

 

[SilverSurfer]

Yep, have to turn off the speaker sim I would guess. Mic placement, I'm guessing, is going to be hard. I would think there will be even a smaller "Sweet Spot" than with a regular 12" celestion speaker.


Post some clips when you get em.

I turned the speaker emulation off and that helped TONS. I've found that since the speaker is smaller, I just need to hold the mic about 4-6" away from the monitor and just off center. That seems to be working well.

I will say you have to CRANK the Pod up according to the instructions to get the best sound and that seems to work too. I can control the monitor volume separately and so far, with good results. I've got a tone I think will sound OK on the cover I am re-doing. No, it won't sound as good as the original but it will be palatable A lot better than my old RP-7, that is for sure!

 

[Farview]

A tone snob with an RP-7? You spent money on an RP-7 and thing Mesa'a are crap?

 

[SilverSurfer]

A tone snob with an RP-7? You spent money on an RP-7 and thing Mesa'a are crap?

No. I bought the RP-7 so I could practice to CDs without killing my neighbors. I didn't buy it to record or play with. I used it on a demo because that's all I had at the time.

As I said, if I had the option, I would record with my 6100 instead of using an emulator, but I don't have a choice.

Please stop with the assumptions. I said I like the Mark IV. It's the rectumfires that I think are crap.

 

[-=¤willhaven¤=-]

It takes me about 15 seconds to get a good tone from a Marshall. Why does it take 2 hours for Mesa?! Uh, I think the answer is obvious.

the answer IS obvious. you are biased and think that mesas suck for some reason. you think that because you and some elitist friends don't like them, that they must suck.

just because you don't like something doesn't mean it has no worth.

YOU dont like it. leave it at that. there are thousands of people out there who love their mesas.

i spent a couple of years trying to get the sound i wanted from marshall equipment. when i got my triple rectifier, i got the sound i wanted. i no longer had to mess with distortion pedals or EQs. my entire distortion sound came from the head and my guitar only. i plugged into a dual rectifier to try them out for the first time, to give it a shoot out against my marshall. after 15 seconds i knew i had to get rid of my marshall and get a mesa. luckily a family friend was selling a triple for 900

i had people in my home town ask me how i got my sound and i just told them... it was all in the mesa and having a good guitar to back it up. that is about as simple as it gets.

some people like the marshall sound, some like the mesa sound. thats the facts. the best way to know what this guy should get is for him to try both amps and see what he likes best.

also... just for some added information. i used to work with my father servicing amps when i was younger. most of the new marshalls i worked on (anything with a light up rocker switch) were cheaply made and sloppy in comparison to the mesas i worked on. not to say that marshalls are crap, im just saying "in comparison."

mesa goes all out when they make their amps. they use good quality parts, everything is mounted securely. they're hard as nails. though, recently they were using some really shitty volume and tone pots which have since been replaced i think.

i haven't seen mass produced amps built that well aside from those that were made in the "golden age."

marshalls and mesas are both great amps. they just have a different sound, and you are more likely to have small quality issues with a marshall than you would a mesa.

 

[SilverSurfer]

the answer IS obvious. you are biased and think that mesas suck for some reason. you think that because you and some elitist friends don't like them, that they must suck.

No, just the rectifiers. If you read the thread, you'd know that.

just because you don't like something doesn't mean it has no worth.

YOU dont like it. leave it at that. there are thousands of people out there who love their mesas.

I did, but some people won't let it go If you like your rectifier, you bought it, enjoy. Don't take someone's opinion so personally. I don't

 

[Sonixx]

Silversurfer... man, you sure have an axe to grind...

Monsoon, I particularly like my Dual Rectifier's tone. Although, I wouldn't want it to be my only amp... it takes a bit to get the tone to match what's in my head. Not the easiest of amps to dial a great tone, but great tones are to be had by the patient.

If late night playing is the script, then the Rectifier series may be too much. I haven't played a SR, but my DR with two tubes out is still very loud and the tone changes some... more bottom end.

Too bad this thread ended up being a pissing match... there sure are a lot of them. Monsoon, maybe take your question over to the Amp forum at Harmony Central. Although, they're pretty hostile to Mesa there...

 

[HangDawg]

If late night playing is the script, then the Rectifier series may be too much. I haven't played a SR, but my DR with two tubes out is still very loud and the tone changes some... more bottom end. ...

So what did you do, remove two of the 6L6s? Which ones?

 

[-=¤willhaven¤=-]

No, just the rectifiers. If you read the thread, you'd know that.

semantics

replace "mesa" with "rectifier" and my argument will be the exact same

 

[geet73]

Silver Surfer, you are like, OMG, such a square.

I don't like Marshalls. Eh. I played a JCM900 DSL for a week straight on tour last summer.. ehhhhhhh. You already said you don't like the 900's.. but meh. I didn't like my friend's 800 either. 2000's are mehh.

I like my 5150.

Mesa rectifiers are versatile.. my friend uses one in his "beatles-like rock band". A real nice, thick sound. He uses a Boss Blues overdive for a little extra boost.

 

[Sonixx]

So what did you do, remove two of the 6L6s? Which ones?

I believe it was the two outside 6l6s. It doesn't matter, either the two outside or two inside, since the two on each side are wired parallel. The manual makes a recommendation, but I don't remember which.

 

[-=¤willhaven¤=-]

Silver Surfer, you are like, OMG, such a square.
Mesa rectifiers are versatile..

i thought my recto was versatile, then i played a road king. god, i've said it before and i'll say it again... if the road king had better reverb i would have to ditch my triple recto.

 

[SilverSurfer]

Silver Surfer, you are like, OMG, such a square.

I don't like Marshalls. Eh. I played a JCM900 DSL for a week straight on tour last summer.. ehhhhhhh. You already said you don't like the 900's.. but meh. I didn't like my friend's 800 either. 2000's are mehh.

900's blow worse than Rectifiers. The DSL/TSL series is much better but still not on par with the 30th Anniversary.

I like my 5150.

Jose built Marshall guts stuffed in a Peavy box Has great tone, I admit that.

Mesa rectifiers are versatile.. my friend uses one in his "beatles-like rock band". A real nice, thick sound. He uses a Boss Blues overdive for a little extra boost.

Does he have sound samples?

 

[SilverSurfer]

semantics

replace "mesa" with "rectifier" and my argument will be the exact same

No, because I like the Mark IV.

I think the 5150 sounds great.

I think the JCM900 series sucked royal eggs.

It's not so much the Manufacturer, it's the AMP itself...

 

[-=¤willhaven¤=-]

No, because I like the Mark IV.

I think the 5150 sounds great.

I think the JCM900 series sucked royal eggs.

It's not so much the Manufacturer, it's the AMP itself...

the argument still stands. just because you dont like rectos doesnt mean they arent any good. it may not be good for your sound, but for others, its a great amp.

i know some of the newer marshalls are nice, but they just arent my kind of thing. i even envy some guitarists who use marshall gear, but they have a different tone than i am going for.

most marshalls and most mesas are great amps. you cant really go wrong with any of them... maybe wrong for your particular sound, but not so wrong that you bought a useless toneless piece of shit.

 

[SilverSurfer]

the argument still stands. just because you dont like rectos doesnt mean they arent any good. it may not be good for your sound, but for others, its a great amp.

i know some of the newer marshalls are nice, but they just arent my kind of thing. i even envy some guitarists who use marshall gear, bit they have a different tone than i am going for.

most marshalls and most mesas are great amps. you cant really go wrong with any of them... maybe wrong for your particular sound, but not so wrong that you bought a useless toneless piece of shit.

Nah, it's the "operator" not the Pod I slapped that 5150 tone in there and it seems to be working OK. Just need to learn how to use the Pod and how to tweak it first.

I've said it once, I'll say it 1000 times. I don't WANT to use the Pod.

I HAVE TO.