Single / Dual / Triple Rectifier

[SilverSurfer]

also, give me a link to the def leapord song thrice ripped off. i kinda dig def leapord, but i've never heard anything from them that sounded like thrice may have ripped it off.

It's called "Switch 625", go buy the album "High and Dry" and learn what a GOOD band sounds like. It's right after "Bringing on the Heartbreak." (better guitar tone on that album than Thrice too, and that was 22 years ago.)

They stole the main riff of that song and altered it just a bit to avoid a lawsuit. If I was Def Leppard, I'd sue them first for sucking, secondly for ripping off my riffs.

 

[HangDawg]

Here ya go monsoon. I was bored one day and recorded this. It's all me. It's not the greatest, but pretty cool.

 

[Monsoon]

Which Marshall do you want to hear? I can find some live clips of us covering a Lep song. You can hear my other guitarist's 30th before I got mine. His sounds so sweet!

Well, since the 30th seems to be something that is hard to find (I looked on Ebay and there's only one blue tolex available, but it's a combo), how about a clip of that one. As to others, well, how about a TSL?

 

[SilverSurfer]

Here ya go monsoon. I was bored one day and recorded this. It's all me. It's not the greatest, but pretty cool.

Those all sound pretty good. Stevie has a different tone but your amp sounds decent on that track. I just love that brown/warm tone from the Marshalls.

Drum machine?

 

[SilverSurfer]

Well, since the 30th seems to be something that is hard to find (I looked on Ebay and there's only one blue tolex available, but it's a combo), how about a clip of that one. As to others, well, how about a TSL?

My friend, as a backup, bought the 30th blue tolex that was a combo, took the amp out and mounted it inside a SKB rackmount! Works great. He has everything he needs in that rack AND a brilliant sounding amp!

 

[HangDawg]

Those all sound pretty good. Stevie has a different tone but your amp sounds decent on that track. I just love that brown/warm tone from the Marshalls.

Drum machine?

Oh yea. Definately different than Stevie. It's a boogie for christ sake.

No drum machines on any of those

 

[SilverSurfer]

Oh yea. Definately different than Stevie. It's a boogie for christ sake.

No drum machines on any of those

Was gonna say, DARN GOOD drum simulator

I like the sound. I am trying to find a really good clip of my 30th but I think I'll have to get in a studio somewhere for you to really hear it. With the Seymour Duncan or EMG's I run and the 30 watt vintage celestions, it's just the perfect tone for me. Again, doesn't mean it works for everyone but the brown sound is there. Not quite early VH but getting close

The sound I like the most, amp wise, is Eddie's sound on UNCHAINED. Where's the drool icon for that sound?! "Wow."

 

[Farview]

So you're telling me that when Petrucci records in the studio, he just brings along his completely "stock" Mesa Boogie, right?

Yes that is exactly what I am telling you. Whether you like his sound or not, I have never heard a marshall sound like that when playing a 7-string with EMGs through it.

 

[donkeystyle]

That's why Thrice uses them...



Ah, so you're assuming...that's good to admit it.



Ask Kirk Hammett or James Hetfield if they use "off the shelf" Mesa's. They do not. Ask any BIG band what they use in the studio, it will not be an "off the shelf" amp.

Know what you're talking about, please.



Ah insults. The first resort of someone without a valid argument....

Helpful? I see, only if I *agree* with you am I being helpful. Again, you might not like my opinion but if you can't handle a difference of opinion without resorting to insulting someone, perhaps it's YOU that needs a break. You're way more stressed out than you need to be.

i'm still waiting for a valid argument or point from you actually. you were the first to insult people.

i'm not pissed really. i honestly agree that marshalls in general sound better than mesas. that's my opinion though. i just don't like misinformation. you started out by stating your opinion as fact........i have a problem with that. you've changed your tone.......slightly......i am ok with that.

and about my assuming they bought their amps on ebay...........i think that's a pretty safe assumption to make.........unlike the assumptions you have made about the big boys mesa's and the like.

my original point was that marshall is NOT the best amp ever. their clean isn't very pleasing in my opinion. but they work for you. i like my knucklehead. it's based on a marshall, but with a better, more fender'ish clean sound.

then you started into your assumption that every big band that uses mesa has a 30 thousand dollar either specially made mesa or highly modified mesa. it's obvious that you pulled that out of your ass. yet you still wont admit it. you have yet to show anyone one bit of evidence. you say that metallica has their amps modded and you wont even show us evidence of that.

the only assumption i have made is that thrice bought their amps off of ebay, and i'm pretty sure that that is the case........at least with their mesa. the other guitar player also uses bogner and i dunno. he's supposed to be even more of an ebay fanatic than the rest of the band, so maybe he did too.

i was hoping that by telling you that i had assumed that, that you would have the balls to admit that you had based most of your argument on assumptions and/or conspiracy theories.

i think my points are obvious and everyone but you is on my side on this one, so i'm gonna let it go now. i wont be baited back into this argument.

edit: i just noticed that you're still insulting people. that is ridiculous.

 

[Purge]

Hi, Surfer!!

Hmmm..."Thrice rips off Def Leppard." That's gotta be one of the funniest and stupidest things I've ever heard. Figuring quickly in my head, I would assume that you're referring to "Switch 625" having similar notes to "All That's Left". (maybe...who knows.) I might also assume that you've probably heard other rock/metal/whatthefuckevergenre records at some point in your life, and that you're no doubt familiar with the "6-5-4" progression, and that this progression (being that you are a well informed musical scholar) is damn near the avatar of Iron Maiden's musical repertoire. Hell, as luck would have it, I'd be willing to bet that maybe some other bands have used these notes as well! Crazy!! So, therefore, I have absolute faith in the absolute given fact that you will now be incredibly upset at Def Leppard for ripping off Iron Maiden. Thank you.

Can't believe I just wrote something in this thread. I'll have to side with Donkey on this one.

 

[SilverSurfer]

i'm still waiting for a valid argument or point from you actually. you were the first to insult people.

Um, no. I insulted the amps. Not people. That's not my style. No need to sink as low as those who do...

i'm not pissed really. i honestly agree that marshalls in general sound better than mesas. that's my opinion though. i just don't like misinformation. you started out by stating your opinion as fact........i have a problem with that. you've changed your tone.......slightly......i am ok with that.

I said the Mark IV sounded great. I said the Rectifiers don't - to my ears. If I was making a statement here, what else would it be than my opinion. Or am I supposed to start every statement with "In My Humble Opinion" for people to understand that anything you say is pretty much an opinion about the sound of amps.

and about my assuming they bought their amps on ebay...........i think that's a pretty safe assumption to make.........unlike the assumptions you have made about the big boys mesa's and the like.

my original point was that marshall is NOT the best amp ever. their clean isn't very pleasing in my opinion. but they work for you. i like my knucklehead. it's based on a marshall, but with a better, more fender'ish clean sound.

I have no problem getting a nice clean tone from my Marshall. I had a HECK of time trying to get something that sounded decent at all on the rectifier's clean channel, if that's what you can call it. Ugh.

then you started into your assumption that every big band that uses mesa has a 30 thousand dollar either specially made mesa or highly modified mesa. it's obvious that you pulled that out of your ass. yet you still wont admit it. you have yet to show anyone one bit of evidence. you say that metallica has their amps modded and you wont even show us evidence of that.

You're making million dollar records and you use an "off the shelf" amp. Now why doesn't that make sense?

As for Metallica - well I can't give you all the gory details but I've been to their studio and they have EVERY amp you can imagine. The ones they record with - MOSTLY MARSHALLS (and yes, they still have their Jose Marshalls. Kirks was never finished as Jose died before it was done) are all modded in some form or fashion. I am sure not EVERY band is modding their amps, but a high majority are. And lest you forget, changing the brand/model of a tube (power or preamp) is considered a mod. I didn't say every one of them had all the guts removed. It's assumed I did.

the only assumption i have made is that thrice bought their amps off of ebay, and i'm pretty sure that that is the case........at least with their mesa. the other guitar player also uses bogner and i dunno. he's supposed to be even more of an ebay fanatic than the rest of the band, so maybe he did too.

Hey you might be right, I might be wrong. I don't think Thrice is big enough to really have modded amps and a lot of support from their endorsers. They're not even a good band. <-- Yeah, that's my opinion.

i was hoping that by telling you that i had assumed that, that you would have the balls to admit that you had based most of your argument on assumptions and/or conspiracy theories.

It's not based on assumptions. It's based on being around some really big bands. Now admittedly I don't care much about Thrice (and I am not an expert on bands with their sound because they make me want to wretch), so they very well could have gotten their amps on eBay. Good for them. If I am wrong, I am OK with admitting it.

i think my points are obvious and everyone but you is on my side on this one, so i'm gonna let it go now. i wont be baited back into this argument.

Me <-- Not a Thrice expert. I just know a bad band when I hear one.

edit: i just noticed that you're still insulting people. that is ridiculous.

Proof please. The only thing I've insulted is Rectifiers, Pre-Pubscent Lead singers and Thrice. If I called someone ignorant, which I did once, I believe that was due to his lack of knowledge. It doesn't mean "stupid."

Please, if you've seen me lob more than one genuine insult that wasn't in retort to someone lobbing one first, please show me. "Let he who cast the first stone..."

 

[SilverSurfer]

Hi, Surfer!!

Hmmm..."Thrice rips off Def Leppard." That's gotta be one of the funniest and stupidest things I've ever heard. Figuring quickly in my head, I would assume that you're referring to "Switch 625" having similar notes to "All That's Left". (maybe...who knows.) I might also assume that you've probably heard other rock/metal/whatthefuckevergenre records at some point in your life, and that you're no doubt familiar with the "6-5-4" progression,

Hey, it's not my problem if you want to make excuses for Thrice. Listen to both songs back to back before formulating your opinion (and try without bias. I never knew Thrice till I heard that song and Switch 625 was the FIRST thing I thought of when I heard the beginning of that song). But you can not, under any circumstances, listen to both songs and not know that Thrice ripped that song off. Period.

and that this progression (being that you are a well informed musical scholar) is damn near the avatar of Iron Maiden's musical repertoire. Hell, as luck would have it, I'd be willing to bet that maybe some other bands have used these notes as well! Crazy!! So, therefore, I have absolute faith in the absolute given fact that you will now be incredibly upset at Def Leppard for ripping off Iron Maiden. Thank you.

You can use the same notes, but you don't copy the pattern verbatum which is what Thrice did. That's like "Vanilla Ice" trying to say "I never lifted the riff from 'Under Pressure!!!'"

While we're talking about Iron Maiden, Papa Roach has lifted riffs from them. Even Metallica stole riffs (Sanitarium). Just admit it and move on. No big deal, I just have no respect for bands that do it and lie about it.

Can't believe I just wrote something in this thread. I'll have to side with Donkey on this one.

It's a free country. That's what I love about it. We all have opinions and it's good to disagree. If we agreed on everything, what on earth would we talk about???

 

[Purge]

It's a free country. That's what I love about it. We all have opinions and it's good to disagree. If we agreed on everything, what on earth would we talk about???

True enough. Point though--consider the following: I would imagine that's probably the only Thrice tune you've heard. Playing devil's advocate (and being VERY familiar with both of those tunes), I'll even admit that it never even jokingly occurred to me that those two songs had any similarities because...well...hmm....because they really DON'T. Come on--3 friggin' notes? The two songs go in completely different directions! Your Papa Roach example is a good one. The riffing is frighteningly similar, yet nobody could ever mistake a Roach song for a Maiden one. (well, maybe a bad example...they are pretty damn close!) Do you think that Slayer frequently rips off Barry White because both artists probably sang a B note at some point? Hey, if you think Thrice sucks then more power to ya. I've been trying for a damn long time to convince the other guitarist in my band that Thrice is incredible, and personally I think he's a turnip fucker for saying otherwise. (bring it, Doombot, you Aerosmith loving bitch!) But realistically, you gotta realize it doesn't really work to say (as a given fact) that the band IS a bad band. State your opinions as such, not as facts. We'll love you for it. Heck, somebody like Doombot might even give you a nice backrub!

 

[Purge]

Anyway, back to amps. I had a Marshall and I couldn't stand it. However, my opinion might not really do for much considering I only owned one of their lesser models (VS100...puke) and cannot accurately assess the quality of said company's general amplification practices. I never tried playing "Switch 625" on it either, to see if that made it any better.

 

[guhlenn]

HA, ah well behaved Idiot. That I like. Always makes good discussion. Now back on topic you really ignored (which is best for you really) the fact that first a good player doesn't touch mesa, and now all of a sudden the mark IV is great. If you just admit you were wrong by stating thast marshall is best and should have said "I like marshall best and hate the rectumfrier (old but lovely)" THAT would have been an opinion. And discussion would have continued normally.

You insult yourself by acting that you are the know-it-all-god-of-tone and i like to add. No that is not a good thing, but hey, I'm human too!

Now, please refrain from stating opinion as fact.

G.

ps. I do not own a rectifier. I have an old studio .22 combo. And the DSL. Uncomparable...

 

[mishagolin]

i haven't been playing guitar nearly as long as many of you but i will say that i picked up a mesa dc3 over the marshall jcm2000 combo. i wanted a combo because i don't need 100watts or a 4x12 cab. i decided on the mesa because i liked its dark tone. i also liked its versatility. i didn't like how i could only get 2 sounds out of the marshall: clean and wicked overdrive. truth is i wasn't even really impressed with either of those tones anyway. of course i was limited to $600 so you can make fun of me for not dishing out my life for an amp.

now, i didn't have the money to get a double rec. or a jcm800 but i've played both. i think they are both great amps and they both have some qualities that shine over the other. i don't think that either amp is hands down better than the other. why don't you guys start arguing over, "what's better; Les Paul or Tele?" you'll get just as far. they're just tools for making music and the truth in their quality is in how they are played.

oh and by the way. the lead guitarrist from thrice (Teppei) sold his triple rec. and his bogner and bought a jcm800. Dustin, the vocalist still uses his mesa. its just a matter of style and looking for a sound that fits what you're doing. they are incredible musicians (i'm listening to Illustion of Safety right now) and if you don't like them you can go back to listening to your Twisted Sister.

 

[Myriad_Rocker]

To answer the ORIGINAL question...

The Single Recto doesn't have rectifier tubes. Instead it just uses silicon diodes for rectification...the Dual and Triple have this option as well.

The difference between the Dual and the Triple is only the number of watts...and the number of tubes, of course. But those two are related so you could have figured that out yourself.

I have a Dual Recto and I love it. I've tried Marshall's...some are okay but some just plain suck. The only one I would consider is a JCM800 and even then, I'd keep the Mesa Dual and run them together.

 

[Monsoon]

To answer the ORIGINAL question...

The Single Recto doesn't have rectifier tubes. Instead it just uses silicon diodes for rectification...the Dual and Triple have this option as well.

The difference between the Dual and the Triple is only the number of watts...and the number of tubes, of course. But those two are related so you could have figured that out yourself.

I have a Dual Recto and I love it. I've tried Marshall's...some are okay but some just plain suck. The only one I would consider is a JCM800 and even then, I'd keep the Mesa Dual and run them together.

With all due respect and thanks to all the other posters on this thread (and I have learned quite a bit that I didn't expect to learn - keep it comming), there is a shining ray of sunshine that shines down upon this post for directly getting at the one narrow concept I had in mind.

 

[arc76]

monsoon,

I own a triple recto and have played singles and duals. They are amazing amps but were designed to be cranked. In my opinion if the amp isn't going to leave the bedroom, i would suggest that you buy something small, like a combo amp,which will give you good tone at reasonably low volumes, i.e.-marshall valvestate. I currently use a Line 6 POD pro (rackmount) for home recording and practicing, in my opinion they would work well for practice and you can come pretty close to a "marshall" tone or "mesa" tone or any other amp for that matter.

 

[SilverSurfer]

True enough. Point though--consider the following: I would imagine that's probably the only Thrice tune you've heard.

Not true at all. I listened to samples of their entire album when I hear "All that's left" on the radio. Needless to say, I wasn't impressed. Again, not my cup of tea, but...


Playing devil's adv

ocate (and being VERY familiar with both of those tunes), I'll even admit that it never even jokingly occurred to me that those two songs had any similarities because...well...hmm....because they really DON'T. Come on--3 friggin' notes? The two songs go in completely different directions! Your Papa Roach example is a good one. The riffing is frighteningly similar, yet nobody could ever mistake a Roach song for a Maiden one. (well, maybe a bad example...they are pretty damn close!)

All they did was change the timing of the notes. They are all the same notes in the same pattern. It's not the same song, I said they stole the riff, not the song.

Do you think that Slayer frequently rips off Barry White because both artists probably sang a B note at some point?

Nah. Barry White had talent. Kerry King is the worst lead guitarist on the planet. Does he even KNOW how to solo in key???

Hey, if you think Thrice sucks then more power to ya. I've been trying for a damn long time to convince the other guitarist in my band that Thrice is incredible, and personally I think he's a turnip fucker for saying otherwise. (bring it, Doombot, you Aerosmith loving bitch!) But realistically, you gotta realize it doesn't really work to say (as a given fact) that the band IS a bad band. State your opinions as such, not as facts. We'll love you for it. Heck, somebody like Doombot might even give you a nice backrub!

Opinions rock. What can I say?!

Take care!