bennychico11
...
Blue Groove said:
i agree....especially if it's only a night time gig, it'd be some nice extra cash.
if by chance you happen to be in KC jmorris, hit me up and I'll come help you for that price
i agree....especially if it's only a night time gig, it'd be some nice extra cash.
if by chance you happen to be in KC jmorris, hit me up and I'll come help you for that price
W
willowhaus
New member
Lesson #1: If this is your goal, you do NOT want to be an audio engineer. You want to be a "Producer" (whatever the hell that is).
Audio engineers have no time for a f*ckin' life - you're in long before anyone else & stay until long after everyone leaves. If you somehow find time to get a chick, she will likely leave you because you don't have enough time for her.
You have to maintain your game with little to no sleep, while everyone around you is getting high on whatever, because they expect you to have the goods when they eventually sober up or else they will never work with you again, and they will talk shit about you for the rest of their careers (which hopefully will be short if they get too f*cked up to take care of business...).
You will spend most of your time selling yourself, schmoozing, fixing stuff, getting dirty, playing nanny to overinflated egos, trying to get the money you were promised...all for the chance to actually mix music for a few hours out of your long-ass day.
You either will not see the sun for periods of time so long you won't know what season it is, or else you will brave whatever weather it may be in khaki shorts & a polo shirt while you hump gear & mix in it. (Soundman's weight loss program: spending all weekend in front of 5 fully loaded 4' amp racks in 105-degree heat...)
If this sounds like fun to you...you're nuckingfutz! Welcome to the brotherhood!
Graduate, Music Business Institute (now defunct) Class of 1985; veteran of Ga. State Music Business program (never graduated that one, switched to a jazz major); Graduate work at School Of Hard Knox, 1990-?
Last edited:
W
willowhaus
New member
DOH! double-post!!
But anyway...if you want a studio job, my advice is to study electronics. If you can tear apart gear & fix it during a session, you are worth gold to a professional studio. Then, buy your own gear and use it. You can study recording anywhere, and you'll still have to do grunt work & kiss ass whether or not you have a degree. Hell, some people prefer that you don't, because they don't want to have to un-train you...
In school I learned signal flow & trained my ears. That was good. I also learned how to clean & align a Studer 880 - that doesn't come up much now. All that training, though, only helped me get started - I learned most of my craft on the job, after working with literally thousands of acts - some great, some not so great, others best...forgotten.
But anyway...if you want a studio job, my advice is to study electronics. If you can tear apart gear & fix it during a session, you are worth gold to a professional studio. Then, buy your own gear and use it. You can study recording anywhere, and you'll still have to do grunt work & kiss ass whether or not you have a degree. Hell, some people prefer that you don't, because they don't want to have to un-train you...
In school I learned signal flow & trained my ears. That was good. I also learned how to clean & align a Studer 880 - that doesn't come up much now.
All that training, though, only helped me get started - I learned most of my craft on the job, after working with literally thousands of acts - some great, some not so great, others best...forgotten. 
ez_willis
.
Electronics? Bitches don't feind for robot-making, pocket protector wearing, still living with mom well into their 30's, nerds.
brendandwyer
New member
connections will get you an interview. Your attitude and work ethic will get you the job.
Your skills and abilities, and passion for getting better at your job every minute of every day, will help you keep your job.
that is, until you tell the studio owner "i'm not going to empty the trash, i'm an engineer!" then you'll be heading the right way to the unemployment line.
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
Yeah, that never worked for Dr. McCoy either ("Damnit, Jim! I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer!")
G.
brendandwyer
New member
Yeah, that never worked for Dr. McCoy either ("Damnit, Jim! I'm a doctor, not a bricklayer!")
G.
"Doctor, this man is wounded"
"damit Jim, I'm a doctor not a ...oh, right."
P
P3PIT0
New member
I've done the SAE. It's not bad bud I could have bought a lot of gear for that amount of money, so I think it's not worth the cash.
LeeRosario
New member
I think this is something that I can't really sum up into one post.
I'm a graduate of Fullsail, but I don't owe my successes and my failures to that school. I owe it to the attitude I always brought with me in every gig, meeting, interview, bar conversation, phone call, email, thread...etc. And I still bring that same brand of attitude.
I think people still forget how much you have to hustle to get a job in music production. And when I say hustle, I mean the attitude and sense of urgency you have to change your situation.
You have to want a lot from yourself. You have to want to understand the politics of the music. You have to want to brush off the screwups and move on. You have to want to get to the right people. You have to want to master every piece of gear you come across or hear about. You have to want to better yourself constantly. You have to want to obtain that edge. You have to want to listen to a song and say, "I can create something like that". If you don't want it, then why do it?
Ambition has no room for excuses.
Eventually, you find yourself ignoring the negatives and focusing on the positives. I really think the hardest part about being an engineer and producer in music is explaining to people what it is we do.
School dosn't make anyone a compitent engineer/producer. Attitude does. Some of the best engineers and producers I've met, or otherwise read about had the attitude to obtain the things they want from thier carreers. Without a lick of school.
You have to face and conquer the ugly truth about this line of work. In this day and age, music is a second need service industry. It dosn't secure work like a doctor, or a lawyer. It's not an absolute, like say a mechanical engineer or a rocket scientist. It's not heroic like a marine or a fireman. There are school teachers who make more money in a year than most recording engineers do in two years. So we can't huff and puff like we own the job market, cause we don't.
However, we pride ourselves in creating something extraordinary, something that means more to us than most things do to any of those people. That's why we do this line of work. Cause we are free to obsess about creating the perfect masterpiece. And if you didn't get it now, I guarantee in 30 years when you do, the bad times would of just been a faint memory. It's a passion thing. But you have to want that.
This all goes with the idea, "anyone can either sit on thier ass and cry about what they think they can never have, or you can occupy your time with trying to obtain it".
If I can constantly surprise myself, then so can other people. That's my attitude towards to the whole thing.
I'm a graduate of Fullsail, but I don't owe my successes and my failures to that school. I owe it to the attitude I always brought with me in every gig, meeting, interview, bar conversation, phone call, email, thread...etc. And I still bring that same brand of attitude.
I think people still forget how much you have to hustle to get a job in music production. And when I say hustle, I mean the attitude and sense of urgency you have to change your situation.
You have to want a lot from yourself. You have to want to understand the politics of the music. You have to want to brush off the screwups and move on. You have to want to get to the right people. You have to want to master every piece of gear you come across or hear about. You have to want to better yourself constantly. You have to want to obtain that edge. You have to want to listen to a song and say, "I can create something like that". If you don't want it, then why do it?
Ambition has no room for excuses.
Eventually, you find yourself ignoring the negatives and focusing on the positives. I really think the hardest part about being an engineer and producer in music is explaining to people what it is we do.
School dosn't make anyone a compitent engineer/producer. Attitude does. Some of the best engineers and producers I've met, or otherwise read about had the attitude to obtain the things they want from thier carreers. Without a lick of school.
You have to face and conquer the ugly truth about this line of work. In this day and age, music is a second need service industry. It dosn't secure work like a doctor, or a lawyer. It's not an absolute, like say a mechanical engineer or a rocket scientist. It's not heroic like a marine or a fireman. There are school teachers who make more money in a year than most recording engineers do in two years. So we can't huff and puff like we own the job market, cause we don't.
However, we pride ourselves in creating something extraordinary, something that means more to us than most things do to any of those people. That's why we do this line of work. Cause we are free to obsess about creating the perfect masterpiece. And if you didn't get it now, I guarantee in 30 years when you do, the bad times would of just been a faint memory. It's a passion thing. But you have to want that.
This all goes with the idea, "anyone can either sit on thier ass and cry about what they think they can never have, or you can occupy your time with trying to obtain it".
If I can constantly surprise myself, then so can other people. That's my attitude towards to the whole thing.
W
willowhaus
New member
See the first post: if you're looking for bitches, you don't want to be an engineer.Electronics? Bitches don't feind for robot-making, pocket protector wearing, still living with mom well into their 30's, nerds.
However, knowing electronics will get your ass a decent paycheck, so you won't have to live with your mom. Women definitely like a man who gets paid.
Don't believe me? Go upstairs & ask yer mom...
TexRoadkill
Audio Bum
If anyone in AZ would like to learn how to operate a Radar Nyquist 24 through a Soundcraft Ghost, computer networking, cutting edge DAW editing/mixing techniques, soldering and electronic repair, the physics of sound and advanced stereo ambient micing techniques all in a spacious 2300 Sq/Ft recording facility please PM me. I'll do it for half of what the local recording school charges and even give you a fancy certificate.
Act now and I'll throw in an assistant engineer credit on any productions.
Act now and I'll throw in an assistant engineer credit on any productions.
SouthSIDE Glen
independentrecording.net
Now THAT'S what I call great, ballsy business accumen: get someome to pay you to work for you
Tex, if you really want to hit the grand slam, I'd hold out on giving them the AE props unless they contribute to your 401k or buy you a dental plan .G.