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Bowisc
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My 2 ch. Hardy should be coming in by next week... I can post some clips of bass guitar and keyboards through the D.I., if you people would like.
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rocker
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dot, what kind of salesman are you if you ask such stupid questions. bowisc i know i would really like to hear the stuff your going to post that you did with the di in the hardy that should be very interesting. is this what you guys do here gang up on people who don't agree with the salewsman?
i have had a manley tube di interface in my rack for several years it's not a line lebel output like the avalon it's a mic level output so it needs a preamp. i got the manley preamp right after the a design with the money i got back from retruning the a design i bought the hardy. i guess i should have said it clearer. i ordered the manley around the same time i ordered the a design i thought i would keep both because i like tubes. they came form different stores and the a design showed up before the manley. when i got the money back i got the hardy. understand?
the next thing i was going to get was either the great river or the abbey road chandler. becasue i wanted someting without tubes but now that i have the hardy i will probably get the chandler because i have a clean pre to use wiht my tube di so i don't need the great river becasue i already have a clean sound
just because we have a one room sutdio in my garage doesn't mean we don't have good gear and we don't know what we're doing it just means that we do everything in one room like dan lanois does everything in one room or like the way they record at peter gabriel's one world studio
i was very angry that the adesign unit made us have to rerecord things and i was very angry when the salesmen started telling me that i was recording the wrong way and that we should change the way we work because the big time guys that use a desing equipment work that way. i guess dan lanois doesn't have an a design because he has the whole band set up in one room which would make the a design useless for his work and i think dan lanois is big time.
i have had a manley tube di interface in my rack for several years it's not a line lebel output like the avalon it's a mic level output so it needs a preamp. i got the manley preamp right after the a design with the money i got back from retruning the a design i bought the hardy. i guess i should have said it clearer. i ordered the manley around the same time i ordered the a design i thought i would keep both because i like tubes. they came form different stores and the a design showed up before the manley. when i got the money back i got the hardy. understand?
the next thing i was going to get was either the great river or the abbey road chandler. becasue i wanted someting without tubes but now that i have the hardy i will probably get the chandler because i have a clean pre to use wiht my tube di so i don't need the great river becasue i already have a clean sound
just because we have a one room sutdio in my garage doesn't mean we don't have good gear and we don't know what we're doing it just means that we do everything in one room like dan lanois does everything in one room or like the way they record at peter gabriel's one world studio
i was very angry that the adesign unit made us have to rerecord things and i was very angry when the salesmen started telling me that i was recording the wrong way and that we should change the way we work because the big time guys that use a desing equipment work that way. i guess dan lanois doesn't have an a design because he has the whole band set up in one room which would make the a design useless for his work and i think dan lanois is big time.
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Mark H.
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Rocker, you bought the A Design, tried it, didn't like it, got your money back. Few deals in life are more fair than that.
It's unfortunate that you had to re-record some of your tracks, but was it worth becoming "very angry" about it? The product's rep agreed with you about the product's limitations. And in the process, you found another preamp that works well for you. Congratulations, you won!
Warren, I recommend not fighting with DJL.
Someone once wrote that an insult is like an arrow that falls harmlessly at your feet. The problem is that most of us insist on picking it up and stabbing ourselves in the chest with it.
Tempting as it is, don't pick up the arrow.
With kind regards,
Mark H.
It's unfortunate that you had to re-record some of your tracks, but was it worth becoming "very angry" about it? The product's rep agreed with you about the product's limitations. And in the process, you found another preamp that works well for you. Congratulations, you won!
Warren, I recommend not fighting with DJL.
Someone once wrote that an insult is like an arrow that falls harmlessly at your feet. The problem is that most of us insist on picking it up and stabbing ourselves in the chest with it.
Tempting as it is, don't pick up the arrow.
With kind regards,
Mark H.
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Bowisc
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OneArmedScissor
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Mark H. said:
Yeah, just be glad that you are smarter and/or happier than the people who always want to start fights, and that you have nothing to prove, while they feel they always have to try to prove who knows what to everyone else.
Warhead
Jai guru deva om
rocker said:
So you don't want to answer Dan's question, how the D.I. in the John Hardy sounds compared to the A Designs unit? I know you say you own a Hardy and you want to hear Bowisc's clips, but you think maybe the A Designs D.I. is better than the Hardy?
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NL5
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Mark H. said:
Effin Brilliant!
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mikey@thecave
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maybe you could try cutting down on your compression levels sometimes that can amplify noises-move mics in closer and turn gain down
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acorec
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rocker said:
A side point. Get out of your garage studio and take some basic english classes. Maybe then I can understand what you are trying to write.
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rocker
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asshole salesman, it seems that the bowisc guy ordered the di's custom, ididn't know you could do that. there is no di on my hardy. and if you could read you'd see that i use a manley tube di interface before the mic pre. it is in my gig rack and sends the signal out to the mix position before my power amp.
i may know as much if not more about htis stuff than you do mr. salesman, maybe you should stop trying to bust me and start trying to help. thta's your job isn't it or are you just trying to take money for crap
acorec, i'm quite literate, i just can't type too well.
i may know as much if not more about htis stuff than you do mr. salesman, maybe you should stop trying to bust me and start trying to help. thta's your job isn't it or are you just trying to take money for crap
acorec, i'm quite literate, i just can't type too well.
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OneArmedScissor
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rocker said:
I can't imagine he, or anyone else on this forum, and any others, would want to help you when you talk like that. You call him an asshole, yet it is YOU acting like one.
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Bowisc
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Hey Rocker, maybe you should contact Hardy to get those custom DI's installed.
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Dot
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I've got a custom Hardy DI. The HarDI Har Har.
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Bowisc
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Dot said:
Is that the new Helix Audio Refiner injection box????
Do you have one for review yet?
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DJL
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rocker,
Don't pay any attention to those guys... and continue to speak-up and warn people about the problems you encounter with gear... people need to know.
Don't pay any attention to those guys... and continue to speak-up and warn people about the problems you encounter with gear... people need to know.
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donkeystyle
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yeah. people need to know what potential problems they could have with a piece of gear. It's good that he is trying to let people know............he just needs to be willing to accept that maybe, just maybe he could have done something different and avoided the problem.
it was explained to him that in order to cut end-costs for him/the consumer, they had to.......in a sense......cut corners which meant that the consumer was able to get a better sounding, real, tube pre, but had to take better care of the unit and think about where he/she was going to place the pre to seperate it from excessive vibration.
rocker had the balls to not only compare the a designs to much higher end gear and complain that it didn't perform as well(truly an apples and oranges, maybe even an apples and t-bone steak comparison), but he then went on to personally attack many of the constructive members of this bbs.
i'm glad he added his first comment. it's definitely something to think about while considering buying an a designs, but everything after that was uncalled for.
it was explained to him that in order to cut end-costs for him/the consumer, they had to.......in a sense......cut corners which meant that the consumer was able to get a better sounding, real, tube pre, but had to take better care of the unit and think about where he/she was going to place the pre to seperate it from excessive vibration.
rocker had the balls to not only compare the a designs to much higher end gear and complain that it didn't perform as well(truly an apples and oranges, maybe even an apples and t-bone steak comparison), but he then went on to personally attack many of the constructive members of this bbs.
i'm glad he added his first comment. it's definitely something to think about while considering buying an a designs, but everything after that was uncalled for.
JohnnyMan
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Tube suggestions
Please forgive me if this is “off topic” and I’ll gladly move this post to another thread if that is where it should be.
I purchased a Behringer Ultragain Pro dual mono tube mic pre about two years ago. I remember reading somewhere that you can greatly improve the sound by replacing the tube with a better quality tube.
Do you agree with this and what would you suggest for an improvement tube (or maybe an improvement pre – I also own an ART Tube MP)?
My usual signal path for vocals is mic – Ultragain Pro – Nanocompressor – Delta 10/10 sound card.
My current vocal mics are Rode NT1s and an AKG 535EB.
Thanks for any suggestions. I will be happy to provide any other info if you require it.
John
Please forgive me if this is “off topic” and I’ll gladly move this post to another thread if that is where it should be.
I purchased a Behringer Ultragain Pro dual mono tube mic pre about two years ago. I remember reading somewhere that you can greatly improve the sound by replacing the tube with a better quality tube.
Do you agree with this and what would you suggest for an improvement tube (or maybe an improvement pre – I also own an ART Tube MP)?
My usual signal path for vocals is mic – Ultragain Pro – Nanocompressor – Delta 10/10 sound card.
My current vocal mics are Rode NT1s and an AKG 535EB.
Thanks for any suggestions. I will be happy to provide any other info if you require it.
John
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rocker
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donkeystyle, i didn't shoot the first arrow in the attack department the salesman did. ok I didn't clarify the timeline of my subsequent purcahses but the salesman wass trying to make me out ot be a liar. then dot and bowisc shimed in to furthere try to make my statements look foolish. i didn't know that hardy offered a di option, and i still don't know for sure as i have no need to check out weather they do or they don't as i have a great di i'm really happey with.
i'm not the best at typing so acorec calls me stupid, i didnt compare things that were that different in price. the hardy was about the same price as the a design, its not a tube unit but it is about the same price the manlye was a bit more expensive than the a design but it works.
this is supposed to be about home recording i guessed that meant in the garage as well as separated rooms i figured that if i could find a place somewhere where i could talk to other people who have the same problems and frustrations in dealing wth my recordings this would be the place
my post was just a warning that unless you monitro at low levels and have a dedicated room for the recording equipment that the a design would ruin your recording. if someone had told me in advance that you cant use the a design in the same room where you're playing then i wouldn't have wasted my time
me and the guys in my band have pretty decent day jobs but were very dedicated to our band we recrod like 5 nights a week. at this point we've recorded about 30 songs which we're going to cut down to like 10 or 12 for the release of our cd. we take this very seriously and feel that performance is the key to making a great record. when a piece of equipment ruins a performance that is very bad. while we tried to rerecord the music the a designs ruined we never got the same level of energy that was on the ruinted performance so i am very angry woth the a designs people for not warning me that this could happen
they say they have to cut corners to keep the price low well the least they could do was give a warning that told you that you could lose good performnaces if you use this unit in the same room as the band. they put warning labels on everything, why not on this very bad mic preamp
this has gone around in circlres a whole bunch of times and i realize that im new here so the club has to gang up on me all i was trying to do was warn others who are like me. i didn't mean to get the whole club mad at me
you guys rally around the salesman and do what he says. the salesman knows best. how many songs has he recorded for his album where a piece of equipment taht was supposed to helpl runied a preformance
i'm not the best at typing so acorec calls me stupid, i didnt compare things that were that different in price. the hardy was about the same price as the a design, its not a tube unit but it is about the same price the manlye was a bit more expensive than the a design but it works.
this is supposed to be about home recording i guessed that meant in the garage as well as separated rooms i figured that if i could find a place somewhere where i could talk to other people who have the same problems and frustrations in dealing wth my recordings this would be the place
my post was just a warning that unless you monitro at low levels and have a dedicated room for the recording equipment that the a design would ruin your recording. if someone had told me in advance that you cant use the a design in the same room where you're playing then i wouldn't have wasted my time
me and the guys in my band have pretty decent day jobs but were very dedicated to our band we recrod like 5 nights a week. at this point we've recorded about 30 songs which we're going to cut down to like 10 or 12 for the release of our cd. we take this very seriously and feel that performance is the key to making a great record. when a piece of equipment ruins a performance that is very bad. while we tried to rerecord the music the a designs ruined we never got the same level of energy that was on the ruinted performance so i am very angry woth the a designs people for not warning me that this could happen
they say they have to cut corners to keep the price low well the least they could do was give a warning that told you that you could lose good performnaces if you use this unit in the same room as the band. they put warning labels on everything, why not on this very bad mic preamp
this has gone around in circlres a whole bunch of times and i realize that im new here so the club has to gang up on me all i was trying to do was warn others who are like me. i didn't mean to get the whole club mad at me
you guys rally around the salesman and do what he says. the salesman knows best. how many songs has he recorded for his album where a piece of equipment taht was supposed to helpl runied a preformance
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donkeystyle
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they never said you have to be in a different room.........they just said you should keep it away from excessive vibration. that's relatively easy to solve and still keep it close to the recording environment part.
and yes, you did compare it to a soundelux u99.
anytime you buy a product that is the same as something else costing much more, you have to understand that things were done to make the product cheaper. in this case they thought the sound was most important.
you never stated whether or not you replaced the tube or not. it may have also had a fautly tube.
nobody attacked you. the rep or salesman or whatever he was saw your post and thought that you had made an unfair judgement based on very little actual use, so he gave you his opinion and then i think you felt stupid because you let a piece of gear ruin multiple tracks when you could have easily stopped it from doing so. one partial track i can understand. sometimes it takes that long to realise something is wrong.
plus you knew it was caused by vibration so you should have thought to try to isolate it.
then you started attacking people..........of course the other members of the bbs are going to jump in.
and yes, you did compare it to a soundelux u99.
anytime you buy a product that is the same as something else costing much more, you have to understand that things were done to make the product cheaper. in this case they thought the sound was most important.
you never stated whether or not you replaced the tube or not. it may have also had a fautly tube.
nobody attacked you. the rep or salesman or whatever he was saw your post and thought that you had made an unfair judgement based on very little actual use, so he gave you his opinion and then i think you felt stupid because you let a piece of gear ruin multiple tracks when you could have easily stopped it from doing so. one partial track i can understand. sometimes it takes that long to realise something is wrong.
plus you knew it was caused by vibration so you should have thought to try to isolate it.
then you started attacking people..........of course the other members of the bbs are going to jump in.
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ozraves
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If you are going to own tube gear, then you got to be willing to get off your bum and change a tube when it goes microphonic. It does happen. I've had tubes go microphonic on me in different sorts of gear. The remedy is simply to change the tube.