No audible distortion.....

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Bobbsy...we already know that you know everything and everything you say is right. But just remember one thing...Im just an ole country boy:eatpopcorn:

Well then, listen to the ones that have experience, get off your 'ole country boy' ass, and stop disrespecting those who are trying to help you.

I am personally offended by how you spoke to Bobbsy here. Not enough for an infraction, but you are pushing the limits Kim.

I am growing really tired of this.
 
Well then, listen to the ones that have experience, get off your 'ole country boy' ass, and stop disrespecting those who are trying to help you.

I am personally offended by how you spoke to Bobbsy here. Not enough for an infraction, but you are pushing the limits Kim.

I am growing really tired of this.

Jimmy I did not start this thread as a discussion about distortion, are to listen to a lesson on distortion from Bobbsy are anybody else. I do not disrespect him for his knowledge at all. But please go back and read my opening post and see that I was NOT trying to knock anybody, just wanted to see if anybody else besides myself has clean sounding analog recordings from analog tape machines.I did NOT want an intellectual discussion or argument about DISTORTION(not my fault)only reports on how others experienced good clean and crispy recordings as myself. Im sorry that I do not relate distortion/warmth/coloration to a recording just because it is recorded on tape. I publicly apologize to bobbsy if I offended him and you Jimmy.
 
Jimmy I did not start this thread as a discussion about distortion, are to listen to a lesson on distortion from Bobbsy are anybody else. I do not disrespect him for his knowledge at all. But please go back and read my opening post and see that I was NOT trying to knock anybody, just wanted to see if anybody else besides myself has clean sounding analog recordings from analog tape machines.I did NOT want an intellectual discussion or argument about DISTORTION(not my fault)only reports on how others experienced good clean and crispy recordings as myself. Im sorry that I do not relate distortion/warmth/coloration to a recording just because it is recorded on tape. I publicly apologize to bobbsy if I offended him and you Jimmy.

I could care less about reading your opening post, nor what you intended. You brought up things that every member here has a right to give their own opinion of.

What pisses me off (and others) is the way you go about communicating.


Your quote:

"Bobbsy...we already know that you know everything and everything you say is right. But just remember one thing...Im just an ole country boy"

was an attempt at being condescending, and I am truly done hearing this type of crap from you.

Your post, is exactly what brought up the conversation. If you wish for everyone to agree with you and follow your discussion exclusively to what you want to hear, then write in your own diary.

This site is about sharing knowledge. Not to find cuddly toys to snuggle with.


Sorry man, but this is way past getting old now...
 
I could care less about reading your opening post, nor what you intended. You brought up things that every member here has a right to give their own opinion of.

What pisses me off (and others) is the way you go about communicating.














Your quote:

"Bobbsy...we already know that you know everything and everything you say is right. But just remember one thing...Im just an ole country boy"

was an attempt at being condescending, and I am truly done hearing this type of crap from you.

Your post, is exactly what brought up the conversation. If you wish for everyone to agree with you and follow your discussion exclusively to what you want to hear, then write in your own diary.

This site is about sharing knowledge. Not to find cuddly toys to snuggle with.


Sorry man, but this is way past getting old now...

I just publicly apologized to bobbsy and you and then you publicly rebuke me?? You could of at least sent me a private message if you really don't like my statement, "Bobbsy...we already know that you know everything and everything you say is right. But just remember one thing...Im just an ole country boy".......why do you let that offend you when bobbsy never even told me that it offended him? BAND ME OFF THIS SITE FOR GOOD IF THAT IS WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO DO JIMMYS69. But you really need to take a hard look at yourself and all your smart ass friends on other threads that have insulted and hurt feelings and never got harsh treatment as I "a newbie" has gotten treated by all you "know it alls" !!!
 
I just publicly apologized to bobbsy and you and then you publicly rebuke me?? You could of at least sent me a private message if you really don't like my statement, "Bobbsy...we already know that you know everything and everything you say is right. But just remember one thing...Im just an ole country boy".......why do you let that offend you when bobbsy never even told me that it offended him? BAND ME OFF THIS SITE FOR GOOD IF THAT IS WHAT YOU REALLY WANT TO DO JIMMYS69. But you really need to take a hard look at yourself and all your smart ass friends on other threads that have insulted and hurt feelings and never got harsh treatment as I "a newbie" has gotten treated by all you "know it alls" !!!

Um, do you even remember out conversations via PM? Check your PM's Mr. forgetful.

I take a hard look at myself, everyday. And I am proud to be who I am. I have absolutely no attitude, no enemies, and a desire to listen to what others have to say. You should try a couple of those.

This is just silly man.
 
HAPPY INDEPENDENCE DAY PEOPLE :listeningmusic:


It's the fifth now.

Am glad that you apologized publicly to Bob.
Believe me you got off easy with Jim. You pissed off a lot of people treating Bob like that, who has forgotten more about audio than most of us here will learn and understand in a lifetime.
We are fortunate to have him here.

You'll find that many posts mature past the opening statement or question by touching on related topics, fine tuning or correcting misused terminology. All of this will be on the webs for years to come and we don't need to be giving wrong information to the future audio seekers.

Now in the words of Tagbo (Grimtraveler) *Go forth and multitrack*.
 
This is just silly man.

I KNOW! This Guy almost made me say PHUCK!

Next time ... no more Mr. Nice guy. I'll just stop and pull this forum over then spank who ever all up and down this information highway.
 
I hope to hear from some of you that have had the "wonderful experiences with tape" as I have and still do.... :)

This is what I should have titled this original thread when I started it and I probably could have avoided a lot of non sense/mockery/ridicule. The first 3 or 4 replies to my thread were the type of responses I expected. And then....CHAOS (a state of extreme confusion and disorder) and thank God I at least had one understanding and respectful friend come to my defense....Beck. The moderaters are free to choose and close this thread anytime now,I spoke my peace.
 
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For even better response, try taking the 'hood' off your recorder and set the tape head bias to correspond with the bias of the actual tape used.... Always use the same make and model tape. Fostex sells a reasonable signal generator (40Hz, 400, 1K, 10K, 15K).....Model TT 15.
Applying Dolby to recordings (Tape) is a doubled edged sword.... What I do know for a fact is that Dolby encoded tape do not store well.....after a a few years your great recordings will be riddled with Dolby drop-outs.....and no way to rectify it.
 
When CDs came out I bucked at them. I was still into tape, and still am. I had a bunch of tunes made on my A3440 with dbx and I mixed them onto a very good cassette deck -- the 122 (without the XLRs). From cassette I bounced to CD. My friends praised the result. "See how much better that sounds?" they said. "You finally came around." Yeah, right.
Tube distortion: harmonic, OK. Transistor and IC distortion: ....b-a-a-d, instant overload. Digital Distortion: the worst, data overload and instant overload.
TEAC/Tascam makes voice and data black boxes which must survive airplane crashes. Since they have government contracts, they are constrained from exaggerating their specs for any of their other products.
By the time a bass note pushes a VU meter needle to 'zero' the actual level is well into the red. Clip lights show this. I only allow distortion if it is the sound one is going for.
Tests of sound arrivals at the human ear -- which ear hears an arriving sound first? -- show an accuracy of 3 to 4 microseconds, requiring an accuracy of 1 to 2 microseconds for each ear. So, if you listen to digital at 44,100 times/second sampling rate, your ears perceive 20 'stairs' or separate sound blocks of info per second.
Our brain lets us hear great sound because the stairs are so close that the data omitted is negligible. Still, we are not fooled, and have a number of terms to try to describe the digital sound, clean, accurate, dry -- and of course: 'distortionless'.
 
I would be interested in more information concerning your recordings. What instruments were involved, what kind of mics and what were the mic placements? What was your mixing board? Were there any effects involved? What speakers were you using to monitor your signals? Did you use calibration tapes? Did you use an oscillator? What sort of tones were you running for your calibrations or were you just winging it with good recording habits? Most of the music today has distortion because the guitar is running through a pedal, the cymbals are being hit far too hard with the mics too close for that sort of impact, and the bass is synthesized. I had one of the first home recording studios in NYC and would try out my mixes at Power Station or one of the other pro studios I was recording in. The engineers were amazed that I was getting such good recordings at home. Can you keep us updated? I was using a Teac four track, dBX noise reduction, Shure SM57 mics and the Teac four track mixer and meter bridge available at the time. Everything was mixed down to a Teac cassette recorder. Later I upgraded to an Teac eight track one half inch machine, a 15 ips mastering machine and no noise reduction.
Rod Norman

Just wanted to start a thread in hopes that other guys besides myself think like I do about analog (open reel/cassette based) recordings. Ive always purposely gotten "clean" sounding recordings (with no audible distortion) out of my recorders. Maybe its just cause Im a perfectionist and had new machines back then and always used the best tape for the machine, kept the heads cleaned etc etc during recording. Ive never had audible distortion on my analog recordings unless I really really kept the needles buried in the red.
I hope to hear from some of you that have had the wonderful experiences with tape as I have and still do....:)
 
When CDs came out I bucked at them. I was still into tape, and still am. I had a bunch of tunes made on my A3440 with dbx and I mixed them onto a very good cassette deck -- the 122 (without the XLRs). From cassette I bounced to CD. My friends praised the result. "See how much better that sounds?" they said. "You finally came around." Yeah, right.
Tube distortion: harmonic, OK. Transistor and IC distortion: ....b-a-a-d, instant overload. Digital Distortion: the worst, data overload and instant overload.
TEAC/Tascam makes voice and data black boxes which must survive airplane crashes. Since they have government contracts, they are constrained from exaggerating their specs for any of their other products.
By the time a bass note pushes a VU meter needle to 'zero' the actual level is well into the red. Clip lights show this. I only allow distortion if it is the sound one is going for.
Tests of sound arrivals at the human ear -- which ear hears an arriving sound first? -- show an accuracy of 3 to 4 microseconds, requiring an accuracy of 1 to 2 microseconds for each ear. So, if you listen to digital at 44,100 times/second sampling rate, your ears perceive 20 'stairs' or separate sound blocks of info per second.
Our brain lets us hear great sound because the stairs are so close that the data omitted is negligible. Still, we are not fooled, and have a number of terms to try to describe the digital sound, clean, accurate, dry -- and of course: 'distortionless'.


Very good information and much appreciated man !!!
 
Very good information and much appreciated man !!!

Lol! I KNEW you would say that.


When CDs came out I bucked at them. I was still into tape, and still am. I had a bunch of tunes made on my A3440 with dbx and I mixed them onto a very good cassette deck -- the 122 (without the XLRs). From cassette I bounced to CD. My friends praised the result. "See how much better that sounds?" they said. "You finally came around." Yeah, right.
Tube distortion: harmonic, OK. Transistor and IC distortion: ....b-a-a-d, instant overload. Digital Distortion: the worst, data overload and instant overload.
TEAC/Tascam makes voice and data black boxes which must survive airplane crashes. Since they have government contracts, they are constrained from exaggerating their specs for any of their other products.
By the time a bass note pushes a VU meter needle to 'zero' the actual level is well into the red. Clip lights show this. I only allow distortion if it is the sound one is going for.
Tests of sound arrivals at the human ear -- which ear hears an arriving sound first? -- show an accuracy of 3 to 4 microseconds, requiring an accuracy of 1 to 2 microseconds for each ear. So, if you listen to digital at 44,100 times/second sampling rate, your ears perceive 20 'stairs' or separate sound blocks of info per second.
Our brain lets us hear great sound because the stairs are so close that the data omitted is negligible. Still, we are not fooled, and have a number of terms to try to describe the digital sound, clean, accurate, dry -- and of course: 'distortionless'.

Digital isn't "stairs"; it's only displayed to be that because that's how it was chosen to be drawn!

This is a VERY good video that explains digital is not a stairstep.

 
There's analog stuff in that video, TASCAM MAN. You should watch.
 
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