My Quasi-Recording/Mix Room Build

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It's hung with a cleat but it makes me really nervous because it's so heavy. I'm really afraid it's going to fall.
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Define heavy. Define the shear stress on the fasteners. Don't worry.:D

Besides...even if it does..what's under it? You worry too much.:p


RME is SOLID with their drivers and such so I knew I couldn't go wrong there.
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All I can say is you trust a company more than you trust your self.;)

PS...looks great. Now, when are you going to start testing your room?
 
RICK FITZPATRICK said:
Define heavy. Define the shear stress on the fasteners. Don't worry.:D
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It's probably 50 to 75 pounds. The cleat on the wall is held on by three 2" drywall screws. And if it falls, my wood floor is under it! Yikes!
RICK FITZPATRICK said:
All I can say is you trust a company more than you trust your self.;)
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And yes, I trust RME's drivers more than my wood skills. I know their drivers are more solid than my work! :D
RICK FITZPATRICK said:
Now, when are you going to start testing your room?
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After I get back from vacation, I guess. I still have to hang the two front wall peices (I hope they fit; they look too big). I'm leaving this Sunday for vacation. Then I have to order my computer parts and build it. I definitely have time before I can start testing.
 
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It's probably 50 to 75 pounds. The clean on the wall is held on by three 2" drywall screws.
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Well, even at 75lbs, that's only 25lbs per screw. Ever tried to pull a drywall screw out...in shear? They'll snap sometimes if hit by a hammer at a right angle cause they are fairly brittle, but..I fear he doth worry too much.:D

And btw, how does the absorber fasten on the cleat? Or does it? Ever heard of a HOOK CLEAT? This is how I usually use cleats for hanging things on a wall. It's really simple. This should be self explanatory ::D Although, heres a tip. Simply rip a piece of 3/4" x 6" wide piece of ply or solid material, in half, at a 45 degree angle..VOILA! a hook cleat. Keep the piece that mounts on the wall a little shorter so you have a little clearance for centering and hassle free hanging.

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Either just "hang it", or if you want some guarantee..use some Liquid nails:)

Then I have to order my computer parts and build it.
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Oh? What are you planning on? An X58 platform or what?
 
RICK FITZPATRICK said:
I fear he doth worry too much.:D
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Alright, alright. :D I'll stop worrying about it.

RICK FITZPATRICK said:
Ever heard of a HOOK CLEAT?
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Funny you mention it that way, fitz. I didn't know there was a difference between a cleat and a hook cleat. The hook cleat is what I used! I didn't know of any other type of cleat as this is the only one I've really seen. I already did exactly what you described...well, kinda. I have one end on my wall and the other on my treatment. The cleat on the wall is shorter than the cleat on my treatment so I can move it and center it. The cleat on the treatment goes the whole length of the treatment on the inside of the frame and is attached with some pocket hole screws.

I actually used a 15 degree angle on my table saw to cut the cleats. I don't think I did a great job on cutting them because I know it wasn't a typical angle for something like this. But it looked alright to me after I did it. I bumped the fence up pretty close so that the blade barely went through the wood...just enough to clear that piece from the cleat.

RICK FITZPATRICK said:
Hey Myriad, Newegg's got a sale on Computer building components right now. Might check it out

Newegg.com - Kicking Off the Weekend with GOOD STUFF: $49.99 1TB Ext HDD, $399.99 4GB Notebook…
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LOL! I got that same email this morning form New Egg! I love me some New Egg. I order stuff from them all the time. That GSkill memory they have on sale...the 8GB...that's actually the memory I'm snagging.

RICK FITZPATRICK said:
Hey, you might wanna check these threads out before you build your new system. It appears the new Sandybridge format doesn't support native PCIe :eek: Might have a bearing on your setup. My systems are based on the x58/1366 pin mobo;s, the Sandybridge is based on the 1156 pin mobo's.

If Sandybridge is ok, then.... - Page 3 - Gearslutz.com

Here is a complete overview of systems built for Protools using the x58 platform. They've got it down pat.:D

i7 Builds - Specs and Results - Avid Audio Forums
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I was actually going to get the Sandybridge i7 2600K. So it doesn't support PCIe? I can't think of an instance where I'd want PCIe, anyway...at least not at the moment. I'm having a brain fart at the moment.
 
I'm having a brain fart at the moment.
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Maybe it's me who's having a brainfart! Read that first link. I thought someone said the Sandybridge doesn't support NATIVE PCI...(e)? or whatever. No time to read it again right now.

So, you DID use a hook cleat huh? Well, I guess it's time to stop the tips. You've obviously been doing your homework. BTW, a cleat is just a rectangle piece of would used as fastening piece. A hook cleat has an angle cut on one edge. Not much difference, but different application. And you COULD have used just a cleat. I've done it in a pinch...although with some Liquid nails to keep the fixture in place.

Have a great vacation.
 
Well, I thought that MAYBE I'd get some more stuff done this weekend. But it doesn't look like I'm going to before I head out for vacation. Both sides of the front wall are done and have been moved into the room. I'll hang those when I get back because I have an HDMI cable that I ordered that I'm waiting on. It has to go behind the treatment so I don't want to hang it just yet.

I thought about doing the cloud this weekend but I'm just not going to have time. I'm still kind of wondering how I'm going to do it. I'm leaning toward doing it flush mounted to the ceiling and then nailing some trim on the edges to hide the L brackets that I'd attach it with. Thoughts there? I don't see much point in "hanging" it anymore. I think it'd be easier to just flush mount it. I'd put some space behind the treatment. Probably 1.5" to 2".

One thing I'm still going to attempt to complete this weekend is the staining of my speaker stands. I was putting them to use in the garage because my work surface wasn't big enough to build the front and back wall without some support. The speaker stands worked well for that. I just have to stain a couple of them and I can move them into the room. I do have sawdust all over them, though. I'll need to get that off, of course.

Anyway, I'm starting to ramble. Talk to you guys in a few weeks.
 
All in favor of Myriad getting home and posting some more awesome pics say I :D
 
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I'm home. I've been kind of caught up in getting over jet lag, the 5 hour time difference, and just general laziness. I did manage to hang one side of the front wall treatment last night and I got the cleat up for the second part. I had to take the LCD mount and those 2x4's off the wall, though. I couldn't get the treatment up with them in place. I'm assuming it will be fine to reattach with the lag bolts.

On another note, it's incredibly apparent that the inside parts of the treatments for the front wall are WAY out of square. I'm going to hide this with some rough cut cedar and you shouldn't even be able to tell at all once I've done that.

I'll have pictures tonight. You'll all see just how out of square these things are. It's nuts.
 
So....I just read some of Ethan's article on front wall absorption. Now I'm second guessing if I need anything on my front wall at all! I'm REALLY starting to wonder if it was worth it to build the treatment for the front wall. I'm thinking of taking it down now and just placing a couple of panels on the front wall behind the speakers. I'm pretty convinced I need something on my back wall, though. The trap there is 6" and a total of about 7 3/4" in depth. That's pretty huge. Should I have gone smaller there?
 
Now I'm second guessing if I need anything on my front wall at all! I'm REALLY starting to wonder if it was worth it to build the treatment for the front wall.
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Myriad, it's all about measurement. Untill you do that you don't really know anything.

To tell you the truth, I'm as confused as anyone, but as usual,:rolleyes: there are SOOOOOOOOOO many conflicting opinions....who the fuck knows.:mad:

But the general consensus seems to be...Measure..treat accordingly....

Behind monitors--absorption, diffusion? - Gearslutz.com


then use your ears.:D

It appears there are many people, even after reading the pros and cons...still end up using their ears, and some go against the "experts" opinions. :rolleyes: This whole thing never ceases to amaze me. That link is a perfect example.

That's why I tend to agree with Wes Lachot. ... "there are no ABSOLUTES" in studio design. It's all about what works for YOU. :)


Let me tell you something. A while back, I got a call from a well known studio designer in europe, who directly told me, that he agreed with a lot that I said on a thread over at Gearsluz. In that thread, I basically told off the whole industry for all these "schools of thought", blatant conflicts of EXPERT opinion and philosophies and lots of other things I've witnessed over the years, to the point a well known acoustician even told me he thought The Master Handbook of Acoustics(written by ANOTHER acoustician) was...well, I won't quote him, but it wasn't very nice.

Anyway, the designer from Europe went on to say he thought the whole studio design thing was filled with so many lies, he couldn't believe it. He even went so far as to spend a half hour explaining WHY.:eek::confused::eek::mad:..even why the STANDARDS that so many "experts" use as a source of reinforcing their opinions, were in his book...so weak that even a couch in a CR could satisfy the so called absorption standards!!!!:eek::rolleyes:(btw, he called out a few of the experts a couple of weeks ago, and then he emailed me, saying, due to time, he gave up trying to prove why certain so called "results" were pure bullshit)

Is it any wonder why I've grown very distrustfull of ANY expert advice anymore?

So, I'll leave it at that. HOWEVER, to me, the whole stinking point here is simple.

TRANSLATION TRANSLATION TRANSLATION. If you are happy with the Translation your recordings have...hey...I'd say ..YOU'VE succeeded. :) So, do what you think is right for you..then if you can..test, measure...or simply playback your recordings in a few other rooms and systems. If your happy with the results. VOILA! Who the fuck cares after that. Then it's all about trusting your setup. PERIOD.

well, that about sums up my views. Good luck Myriad. :)
 
Well, since I've made them already, I'm going to use them. I'll do some tests with them and then take them off the wall and do the same tests. I'll determine what I want to do from there. If there is little to no impact, I'll likely get rid of them. But this is down the road. Right now, I have to get the LCD mount back up and also make my cloud. I'm done (for now) after that. I'm going to order my computer components this week.
 
Wow, I just read this whole thing. This is very inspiring, maybe someday I'll do this! The information on this thread is great!
 
Farno said:
Wow, I just read this whole thing. This is very inspiring, maybe someday I'll do this! The information on this thread is great!
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Well, thank ya!



So, it's been slow moving around here since I got back. We've been having some NASTY weather and we're actually expecting tornadoes tonight. One hit Joplin, MO just last week and killed 122 (the count so far), which is the 8th deadliest on record. They are saying this storm and the accompanying tornadoes hitting our area will be worse. About all I've done since I got back from vacation is disassemble the old bass trap encasements, which didn't work out. I got those done tonight so I'd have some room to work in the garage. All that's left at this point is the cloud and to finish staining the speaker stands. If my house isn't destroyed, I'm hoping to be done this weekend! Ah, the weather in the south. Gotta love it.
 
Ordered the beast that is my new computer today. HOPEFULLY it's here on Monday so I can begin on it. This is the weekend that I hope to wrap up all this treatment stuff. We shall see.

Pictures will follow tomorrow.
 
Well, I'm on my way out to the garage to get the cloud started. Doubt I'll finish today but I'm gonna start.

Here's my plan:
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There's actually a light in the middle of the room that is going to interfere with the middle absorber. I'll offset it when I put it up. The other two will be as shown. I don't think it'll look bad that way. In fact, I think it'll give it a bit of interest.

I'm thinking I'm going to build them individually. I don't want something really heavy hanging over my head and I think it will be easier to put into place individually instead of as one big piece. In fact, I think it might be damn near impossible as one big piece.

Additionally, knowing my grand luck, there won't be studs in the ceiling where I'm waiting to put the cloud. So, my plan is to use some anchor screws. L brackets are going to attach them to the ceiling. I'll trim around it and tack that in place to hide the L brackets.

If anyone has a better idea on hanging these, I'm open. I thought about using eye screws and chain but considering I'd need a stud for that, I've decided to do the L bracket thing.

So...after I get this done, I'm going to trim up the front absorber with the cedar. That'll mark the end of the project for now. I have a few other things I want to do but I want to get the room up and running first. The other stuff can wait until after that. I'll still continue to post what I'm doing, though. It's an ongoing project for sure.
 
How about running a stained piece of wood fastened to the ceiling joists spanning the width of the cloud(s). Then you could securely fasten the clouds as needed and not rely on a toggle or other fastener in 1/2" drywall.
 
c7sus said:
How about running a stained piece of wood fastened to the ceiling joists spanning the width of the cloud(s). Then you could securely fasten the clouds as needed and not rely on a toggle or other fastener in 1/2" drywall.
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I like that idea! I may just do that. Hopefully the ceiling joists are running the way I need them to for that. Guess if they're not, I could just run the board(s) the other way.
 
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