MXL 603 & Joemeek JM27 are they the same?

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ausrock said:
Acorec,

My comments have nothing to do with any HR personalities. I just find this whole "blow out" ludicrous considering that price-wise, these mics are at the low end of the scale. Now if we were dealing with something costing a few hundred bucks, I could understand.

But that's just my opinion.
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OK, But, what if you are looking at a Joe Meek, or some higher cost product and want to know about it? Alan tells you it is the same as product B. "Fine" you say. You trust PMI's word. You buy the unit and find out that the unit has transformers and a totally different electrical design.
What happens now?
You are shrugging off the most important point, the believability of info about PMI's products. I think it is kind of an important point. So, I guess nobody cares about this "minor discrepancy". When you (or others) get stuck with a product that is the "same" but "way different", don't come crying here.
 
You're still missing it.............I haven't passed judgement on what was or wasn't said, mainly because I have no way of knowing how and why the information came across as it did. My comments were directed (probably too subtly) at the way that people go about handling issues in general on this BBS.
 
Alan, what did Justin mean when he said "the JM27 is the same mic inside"?
 
back to the QUESTION

I have got to the point where I no longer care whether it's spam or not. I welcome manufacturers spewing anything they want. Face it, anyone who's been here for a week knows when they see the name Alan Hyatt that he runs PMI, and we know what that means, and we're smart enough to read it as such. But personally, I find him to be NON-SPAMMING even to a fault now... thanks to the tenor of this board, it's as if he has been forced to become Mr. Ultra-Politically-Correct whenever it comes to mentioning anything about his field of expertise. Pretty lame.

I'm getting tired of the policing. Say it once, and it's said. Say it a hundred times, and it's background noise.

Back to the original question on this thread.
I have a pair of 603s. I like them on acoustic guitar and on overheads. Not as much as say a pair of C12s, but I live in the real world. So:

1a) does anyone out there (regular home recorder) have BOTH of these mics, and have anything to say about how they compare in SOUND and APPLICATION?

1b) does anyone out there (regular home recorder) have the JM27 and have anything to say about how it SOUNDS and its APPLICATIONS?

2) does anyone involved in the manufacture or distribution of EITHER of these mics (Alan, Brent, some Chinese guy) have anything to say about how they differ in SOUND and APPLICATION, based on their different internal layouts and designs?

3) does anyone out there (anyone at all) have other recommendations in the "i'm a cheap bastard" price range?
 
Gidge said:
Alan, what did Justin mean when he said "the JM27 is the same mic inside"?
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Gidge,

To be honest, I did not see that post of Justin's. I am in New York and will look at it tonight, and get it corrected if it is necessary to do so, but I have not read it yet....
 
you know what, its not important....either way, it wont benefit the mic forum draggin this out again......
 
OMFG.................Are you going to take over DJL's role?

READ your previous post.........................let's please just let all the past shit sink and see if there's a remote possibility of this forum regaining some lost ground.
 
ausrock said:
...let's please just let all the past shit sink ...
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Sorry, these are floaters.

The spam police are crawling out again. There's just something about this forum...maybe it could use a good exorcism...
 
This from 06-16-2004............."you know what, its not important....either way, it wont benefit the mic forum draggin this out again......"
 
from today, from Alan Hyatt to me :

"I think you should have a responsibility for decerning what we mean. If you, Han, and DJL were not clear, then ask. No one else seemed to be unclear, so the majority either understood what I said, or asked me to clarify.

Perhaps my meaning was not totally understood by you, but then if it was not, you should have afforded me or Justin to clarify exactly what we meant instead of bashing or making accusations. In the end, this is all about different opinions."

6 weeks ago I decided no matter what reason they'd give for Justin saying it, i wouldnt buy it so why bother.....now it just seems relevant......

yes DJL is an aggravating fuck but like you guys always say, thats what the ignore list is for.......

take DJL's place?....gimme a break.....i was bustin' Alan's balls before we knew what a "DJL" was.....or maybe he's just one of my aliases......
 
I won't comment on the possibility of a Gidge<->DJL relationship :D ..........even the very thought conjures up some scary images.

But seriously, regardless of Alan's recent comment, for the good of this forum, any previous questions that were still up in the air would be better forgotten for now so that the dust has a chance to settle around here.

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if Alan or Justin humors me with an answer to my question I will leave it alone.....for awhile........
 
You know the best way to get an answer would be to email Alan or Brent directly and ask if they can tell you what you need to know, you then have the option of sharing that information should you wish.

Oddly enough, direct communication is usually more effective and cordial than using a BBS.
 
yeah, because they wouldnt want to admit on a public BBS that Justin lied.....

Alan said "The JM27 is the same mic as the 603" and even used them interchangeable as part of this statement in a thread about peoples opinions of the 603.....
"The 603's are very good mics. We did an in house shootout a couple of weeks ago with C4's, Schoeps, Cascade, and the new Joemeek JM27 The JM27 is the same mic as the 603, ADK SC1, and the Cascade mic.

The 603, or in this case the Joemeek JM27 we used was darker sounding, yet had a full rich and warm sound to it. It added a color to the mids that was quite nice for acoustic guitar, but only acceptable at best on overheads, where the C4 were very open and detailed on everything. The C4's were very close to the Schoeps, but we were very surprised how well the JM27 did, so that means the 603's will also do very well.

Now this is us at our facility, so don't go taking our word as some of you may feel we were biased in the test, but the end result is the 603/Joemeek JM27 are pretty darn good for the money.

FWIW...."


then, it was changed to "are all about the same price for a SD mic, all the same kind of shape".....are you serious?......



so when Justin says "they are the same mic inside",

while Brent says "Well, the capsules are quite similar, the circuits are not. Both use the 2SK170BL JFET, but in entirely different manners. The 603 splits the signal at the JFET into two smaller out of phase but equal signals which drive a couple of PNP emitter follower transistors on the output.
The JM27 uses the 2SK170 configured as a common source amplifier which is capacitively coupled to a step down transformer on the output. The capsule is phantom polarized at around +46v.
The board layout is quite nice. "

meanwhile Alan has changed to "There are a couple of differences between the 603 and the JM27. For example, the Joemeek JM27 is a transformer output, the 603 is not!"



i just would have thought that even though i said it wasnt important, Alan would have looked at Justins post and edited it....

my advice is to let Brent do the talking for this company.....take it or leave it......
 
Sorry Officer Gidge...If you do not accept my opinion that the JM27 is the same kind of mic (innexpensive SD) as all the others I mentioned, then give me a ticket, and go back on patrol because your Captain DJL is looking for you.

This has been addressed a long time ago. If you do not like the answers...move on. All this talk about old threads shows you are only looking to stir up more and more aggression and hostility to justify your opinion. We heard your opinion already, and they heard mine.

I will not take your opinion on how to run my company...Thank you anyway..

We all know you are a dedicated Marshall microphone user. If you use the JM27's, you would know they are every bit as good, if not better sounding IMO than the 603's, and are less money, but you would never admit that. If you did use the JM27's, you could spend more time using your lips for recording instead of complaining.

This has been over for everyone else here for some time..... You will not get any other answers than what you already got.
 
and im not buying that Justin saying "the same mic inside" meant that they were the same type.......
 
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