Monitoring Input with Sonar 2.0 xl

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Hello everybody! I just bought this software and I'm excited however I can't seem to monitor the live input without having the latency. The manual only explains how to do it if you use an audio card that is controlled with windows software. Does anybody know how to do it using the omni studio (delta 66)? Any suggestions would be great. Thanks
 
Welcome to the world of Cakewalk:)

When you say you are trying to monitor the live input, do you mean that you want to hear what you are recording?

Your m-audio mixer should have the monitor mixer enabled under Patchbay/router.

Can you explain more clearly what you are trying to do and your set-up, operating system, computer etc?
 
Are you trying to use the input monitoring facility in Sonar? Try reducing the samples per buffer in yoru delta control panel (if your delta card has that option) and change the buffer settings in sonar to "Fast" it may reduce your latency.
If you want to use a external routing for monitoring please tell your setup information as Paul requested.
 
  1. Delta cards allow "0 latency" monitoring, meaning it's only your routing in the Delta Control panel that's wrong if you can't get it to work, and....
  2. if you want to use Input Monitoring (which is great if you want to monitor realtime effects), your latency needs to be under 10 ms. I would say under 5 ms.... anything higher will sound like a delay.
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Holy This forum is fast! Okay my setup is a guitar and mic into the omni-studio I'm running a p4 2.4g with xp and Sonar 2.0Xl. I arm the track, I turn audio engine on, i select the correct input. There is a good 1.5 seconds of delay. Now, I also run Ableton Live and I have it setup without latency. Any ideas? Thanks everyone!
 
Then again: Which of the methods I mentioned above do you use?

It sounds like you're using Input Monitoring. Then you need to turn the latency down, and you can do that under Options -> Audio. :)
 
Okay I'm using input monitoring. Should I have it recieve 1/2 or monitor mixer?
 
Are you using Input Monitoring intentionally? If not, just turn it off and monitor through your hardware.

If you are using it intentionally, as moskus said, you need to reduce your latency.
 
I don't get it. Why wouldn't I want to use input monitoring? Maybe I should monitor through my hardware. I'm confused.
 
caleb2438 said:
I don't get it. Why wouldn't I want to use input monitoring? Maybe I should monitor through my hardware. I'm confused.
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I love Input Monitoring, but it's not for people with high latency and it puts extra strain on your computer.

If you want to use Input Monitoring, then in the name of Nike: Just do it! :)
 
Okay Thanks! I'll screw around until i figure out what's best. Buy maybe I should warn you: There's going to be some stupid questions coming from me in the next few days! Maybe I'll create a different log in name for the really stupid ones lol. Thanks for the help!
 
caleb2438 said:
I don't get it. Why wouldn't I want to use input monitoring? Maybe I should monitor through my hardware. I'm confused.
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Input Monitoring (at least in Cakewalk parlance) means listening to what you are recording THROUGH the software. The typical reason for listening through the software is that you want to be able to hear some effect that the software is adding.

For ex., if you are adding software reverb to your vocal, and you want to hear the reverb WHILE you are recording, you would need to use Input Monitoring.

However, because the software must process the sound before it can feed it back to you, it can add a lot of overhead. If your system is not too powerful, the amount of time required to do the audio processing might cause an audible delay in the sound. The time lapse from when you create the sound to when you hear the sound is your system's latency. Generally if it is less than 5ms, you probably won't hear it as a delay. Anything above 10ms will most certainly be heard as a delay.

If you have no need to hear the "processed" sound, or if your computer/soundcard can not get you below 10ms of latency, you might want to consider monitoring via hardware. There is generally no latency at all when you monitor though your hardware. But you will only hear the "raw" sound - i.e., without any effects.

Pick your poison.
 
caleb2438 said:
Hello everybody! I just bought this software and I'm excited however I can't seem to monitor the live input without having the latency. The manual only explains how to do it if you use an audio card that is controlled with windows software. Does anybody know how to do it using the omni studio (delta 66)? Any suggestions would be great. Thanks
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I have used input monitoring before and have gotten some terrible feedback loops when selecting monitoring on my console. I never remember setting that up but that's what was causing the problem. It would happen when I arm a track and left my MON 1/2 switch down, that was nasty! No problem if kept remembering to switch the monotor switch on my console but I'd forget and BANG! Not good for the monitors!
 
Okay I've got it at 4ms latency so that's perfect. Also, I'm loving this software it's great. However, once I record my tracks how do I pan them? I mean I'm panning them left and right but it's not doing anything to the play-back. They're mono tracks so it should be easy.
 
Have you set Sonar to playback in mono? Bring up the "Playback state" control panel by right-clicking on the menu-buttons and select it. Is the icon to the right pressed down? If so click it to return to Stereo Playback...

Or are you in Offset Mode? Hit the O (not zero) key, did the "+" before Volume disapear, you were in offset mode and now it all is well. Did it appear, you were in Normal Mode and hit O again to return to normal...

:)
 
I tried both of those without any luck. Could it be my hardware?
 
caleb2438 said:
I tried both of those without any luck. Could it be my hardware?
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Yes, it could be your hardware. What are you using for monitors? Before I had true studio monitors I was using bookshelf speakers and my home stereo amp. I could use and hear the pans in Sonar on phones but not the speakers, no matter what I did. Problem went away when I gor my monitors.
 
therage! said:
I could use and hear the pans in Sonar on phones but not the speakers, no matter what I did.
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Then you had a mono stereo...


caleb2438, I would first check the Delta Control Panel. Isn't there a mono-button or something like that?
 
Sounds to me like it could be the Delta mixer set incorrectly.On the monitor mixer, make sure the sliders at the bottom of the level meter bars are both set in the central position. Curiously, it is not the default setting in the Delta. Catches me out every time I do an install/upgrade:rolleyes:
 
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