Mac or PC.....WHO GIVES A CRAP....

[Reek]

I would disagree. If that were true, every one would own a mac. The fact is that 90 percent of the population own a windows computer.

I'll stick my neck out on my opinion here.

The reason in my eyes why more windows machines are sold is the price difference. PC's are cheaper.

BUT! I still chose to buy a Mac based around the fact that Apple builds their OS for their hardware and like wise chooses quality hardware(Batteries aside, EEEK!) to go with it. To me that means they made it to work so guys like me who hate setting stuff up can just work.

Its like a good friend of mine once said, You have to have the right size engine for the car your putting it in. If you had a four door all steel caddy from the 60's and put a escort 4 banger engine in it what good would it do?

Your OS needs to be properly setup for your hardware. Of course it can be done with a PC but that mean I need to know how to do that, I don't and don't really want to. I wanna make music. So Mac is nice for me, but maybe not for you.

Or I could be insane. Lol

 

[Reek]

If you havent got a MAC you are a cock...

That's funny, My Cock is a Mac.

Er... um... the big 17" macbook not the iPad.

 

[r1chard]

I'll stick my neck out on my opinion here.

The reason in my eyes why more windows machines are sold is the price difference. PC's are cheaper.
No doubt there.
BUT! I still chose to buy a Mac based around the fact that Apple builds their OS for their hardware and like wise chooses quality hardware(Batteries aside, EEEK!) to go with it.

Well yes and no, they do have a better box on the outside compared to others but reall they use the same stuff inside. In fact on the Pro models I have seen some that have raid hardware with limitation even the cheapest windows based hardware has So not so sure I agree with that. Maybe in some cases but if you look at the Imac, one of the reasons you cannot add hard drives is proabably because of the power supply size.

To me that means they made it to work so guys like me who hate setting stuff up can just work.

If you go to best buy, most windows machines, just work, if they didn't Apple would dominate the market like it does with Ipod, even though the IPod is more expensive than most mp3 players.

Its like a good friend of mine once said, You have to have the right size engine for the car your putting it in. If you had a four door all steel caddy from the 60's and put a escort 4 banger engine in it what good would it do?

The analogy fails in so many ways when comparing Apples to windows Pc. They both use the same intel processors (though pc uses amd as well which competition improves the breed and decreases the costs) The same hard drive, the same video cards the same just about everything, only the outside of the box is different, and the os differences are very minor It would be like two cars that are exactly the same, say a chevy and a gmc truck, only the outside box is different, and the display board in front of the steering wheel. They do the exact same thing

Your OS needs to be properly setup for your hardware. Of course it can be done with a PC but that mean I need to know how to do that, I don't and don't really want to.

And you don't think dell, hp, IBM, Sony etc do not set up their computer software and drivers to work with their hardware. They would be out of business if they didn't do that.

I built my own system, that means I have to make sure it is properly set up. But I am not the norm or in the 90 percent buying PCs, I build my own.

I wanna make music. So Mac is nice for me, but maybe not for you.

Or I could be insane. Lol

You can make music on any windows computer with minimum problems.
But I also understand why people want mac and are willing to pay more. No big deal, it is just a tool.

 

[Reek]

The analogy fails in so many ways when comparing Apples to windows Pc. They both use the same intel processors (though pc uses amd as well which competition improves the breed and decreases the costs) The same hard drive, the same video cards the same just about everything, only the outside of the box is different, and the os differences are very minor It would be like two cars that are exactly the same, say a chevy and a gmc truck, only the outside box is different, and the display board in front of the steering wheel. They do the exact same thing

You completely missed the point of the analogy.

What I was saying is there are some many components and variables with home made and production PC's that Windows can't be a one size fits all OS.

To the same effect Mac OS isn't either. What I am saying is they chose their hardware and then likewise built the OS with it in mind. Hence why It just works.

If you put a one size fits all engine in every car in the world sure a majority will work fine but quite a few will have big time issues.

Read what people say before you attack them.

 

[r1chard]

You completely missed the point of the analogy.

What I was saying is there are some many components and variables with home made and production PC's that Windows can't be a one size fits all OS.

Actually, I think it does a great job. Sure, it is one of the reasons people have problems but if you tell the manufacturer, microsoft they usually resolve the problems, it just takes time. Windows has been the one OS that runs all for a long time, their greatest strength is also their greatest weakness. Being backwards compatable allows people to use old software they are comfortable with or old hardware because they cannot afford the new stuff. Most people in that position would never buy a mac, because of cost and because most people know how to run windows.

To the same effect Mac OS isn't either. What I am saying is they chose their hardware and then likewise built the OS with it in mind. Hence why It just works.

It just works because they choose a few hardware vendors to use. It is a closed system and if you want something outside the box, mac usually cannot deliver. Windows can but the cost is sometimes drivers that don't work, or incompatabilites with some hardware software combos. But even with mac, it doesn't just work, they have bugs just like Microsoft, just not as many because they support less hardware

If you put a one size fits all engine in every car in the world sure a majority will work fine but quite a few will have big time issues.

Your argument is against Apple. Apple states we only support certain hardware. Our OS will not run on anything or is supported on anything other than our hardware. So they are the ones forcing one engine (the OS) only works with a few peices of hardware. Microsoft allows just about any hardware, which is again a great strenth but also a weakness.

Read what people say before you attack them.

I don't attack people. And I completely understand what you said.

You said "BUT! I still chose to buy a Mac based around the fact that Apple builds their OS for their hardware and like wise chooses quality hardware"

You are saying Apple uses the one size fits all because this OS just uses a few engines. Microsoft can use almost any engine, some of them are not so good which means not as good of a customer experience, but you still have the choice to use them.

I disagree, with you. Just because I disagree does not mean I am attacking you personally. Now I may attack your statements assumptsions, assertions and such because I disagree. That has no effect on you though, just your thoughts and opinions.

 

[Reek]

Don't you have anything better to do than challenge people on their knowledge? God I love the ignore button.

 

[r1chard]

Don't you have anything better to do than challenge people on their knowledge? God I love the ignore button.

A debate is a battle of words and wits and it appears you are unarmed so you take they easy way out.

Personal, I hate the ignore button. I never ignore people regardless of how different their view, how opposite their opinion, even if they are abusive or trolling they are. I learn even from people like them. To me hitting ignore is almost as bad as turning to personal attack. It means you have nothing in the tank and no way to support your argument in a debate. But what is good is that you have the choice to use it and allow others to discuss debatable issues or presonal likes and dislikes.

Please, present some knowlege (you haven't yet ), I will see if I can challenge it.


What I find is that Mac people are fanboys (nothing wrong with that) they will defend their purchase no matter how overpriced it is to the better end. I on the other hand see it from a cost benifit stand point, does the extra cost of the mac enough to be that much of a benifit over a windows pc. No fanboyism here. If mac was less cost than a pc and did all the same things a windows PC can do, I can tell you now I would own one. But that is simply not the case.

 

[dintymoore]

... The reason in my eyes why more windows machines are sold is the price difference. PC's are cheaper...

And part of the reason that the price is cheaper is because they sell so many.

A long time ago IBM made the decision to license out their system. Apple, except for a few bizarre attempts, didn't do that. So unlike a Mac, if you want a PC you can buy it from a zillion manufacturers. Who is Apple's competitor for Apple products?

Also, there's the historic difference. Going back 20 years almost all businesses used PC, and almost all musicians used a Mac or an Atari. The music programs like Cubase sucked on PC and lots of business apps were PC only. And there are way, way more business people than artists so that is why we ended up with PC 's being so much more widespread, and as result cheaper, plus the licensing issue I mentioned.

One thing people should realize about Macs (I'm a Mac user) is that they are no way as compatible as Steve Jobs would have you think. It's getting better, but there are still lots of times where I'm looking at a product or spend 5 min signing up for something only to find it's PC only. It's way better than 5 - 10 years ago but don't expect a Mac to be as compatible with the rest of the world as a PC is.

 

[Reek]

A debate is a battle of words and wits and it appears you are unarmed so you take they easy way out.

Personal, I hate the ignore button. I never ignore people regardless of how different their view, how opposite their opinion, even if they are abusive or trolling they are. I learn even from people like them. To me hitting ignore is almost as bad as turning to personal attack. It means you have nothing in the tank and no way to support your argument in a debate. But what is good is that you have the choice to use it and allow others to discuss debatable issues or presonal likes and dislikes.

Please, present some knowlege (you haven't yet ), I will see if I can challenge it.


What I find is that Mac people are fanboys (nothing wrong with that) they will defend their purchase no matter how overpriced it is to the better end. I on the other hand see it from a cost benifit stand point, does the extra cost of the mac enough to be that much of a benifit over a windows pc. No fanboyism here. If mac was less cost than a pc and did all the same things a windows PC can do, I can tell you now I would own one. But that is simply not the case.

What is means is I have come to this forum to help folks with home recording by way of my 20+ years of Pro and Home studio Experience plus my years a representative for some well known companies as well as my years running a high end boutique gear shop selling some of the best made PC and Mac DSP equipped recording DAW's . As well as have a laugh here and there.

But you only seem interested in being a nasty person and telling everyone their wrong. Talking to a brick wall isn't my forte. Hence my choice to ignore you from this point on. Have a good time, I know I will.

"Mac Fanboy" signing off.

 

[Reek]

And part of the reason that the price is cheaper is because they sell so many.

A long time ago IBM made the decision to license out their system. Apple, except for a few bizarre attempts, didn't do that. So unlike a Mac, if you want a PC you can buy it from a zillion manufacturers. Who is Apple's competitor for Apple products?

Also, there's the historic difference. Going back 20 years almost all businesses used PC, and almost all musicians used a Mac or an Atari. The music programs like Cubase sucked on PC and lots of business apps were PC only. And there are way, way more business people than artists so that is why we ended up with PC 's being so much more widespread, and as result cheaper, plus the licensing issue I mentioned.

One thing people should realize about Macs (I'm a Mac user) is that they are no way as compatible as Steve Jobs would have you think. It's getting better, but there are still lots of times where I'm looking at a product or spend 5 min signing up for something only to find it's PC only. It's way better than 5 - 10 years ago but don't expect a Mac to be as compatible with the rest of the world as a PC is.

Well put dintymoore.

 

[r1chard]

But you only seem interested in being a nasty person and telling everyone their wrong. Talking to a brick wall isn't my forte. Hence my choice to ignore you from this point on. Have a good time, I know I will.

"Mac Fanboy" signing off.

What I have said in my posts is. I agree or disagree and I give a reasonable logical to my mind response. If that is being a nasty person, then I am a nasty person. I have no problem with that. I will say I am not a touchy feely person that is going to tell you maybe you are right when the facts point to you being wrong. If that is being nasty, then thats me. I have no problem with a good disccussion or debate. Macs are a religion for most. If linux was easier and more compatable I would own that because it is free.

I have no loyalty to any brand of pc hardware or to windows, I use what works and what is reasonably priced and that is a windows pc. For you that may be a mac, fine, but as far as tools go the way I see it, they are almost double the price for the same thing. The gets people who own them upset because they know they overpaid. Does not bother me, you usually pay for ignorance, if you cant figure out windows, you are going to pay through the nose for a mac, but that too is a deception it is really not that much easier.

Oh, now I see...
"by way of my 20+ years of Pro and Home studio Experience plus my years a representative for some well known companies "

You are offended when someone challenges your 20 years of experience.
Whatever dude. How does 20 years in the industry tell you Mac is better or it just works, or it is better for "guys like you"

You said..
"BUT! I still chose to buy a Mac based around the fact that Apple builds their OS for their hardware and like wise chooses quality hardware(Batteries aside, EEEK!) to go with it. To me that means they made it to work so guys like me who hate setting stuff up can just work."

Apple made the mac to work for people like you, what are people like you? Are you saying you are not smart enough to use windows, or are you saying you are lazy and you think mac can do everything for you. So maybe it is better you ignore me, then you will not feed me this garbage which is totally without logic or reason. Maybe I shouldn't talk to "guys like you" LOL You are the weakest link.... good bye.

 

[dastrick]

I'm a PC guy, but I'm not opposed to using a Mac. I use a PC because it is cheaper. I built my own with quality parts and haven't had any trouble with it in 3+ years. I've done live recordings for 2+ hours without a glitch. I trust it completely. Although my wife's lousy internet habits keeps me on my toes.

I honestly think Macs are more for show. They sure are pretty. And I mean that. They look great. My wife has an old Powerbook G4 Titanium and it still looks great. Everything on it works except it won't read CD's.

Maybe the guy was just making small talk, but it seemed like he was being snooty/snobby because he used macs. He had his Macbook setup on top of the mixer so I new that he was a Mac guy.

And btw, I had an iphone 3GS which I loved except for the fact that it didn't support Adobe Flash which meant that I couldn't watch most videos on websites. That really annoyed me. I mean c'mon Apple?



And like I said..."Who gives a crap?".

 

[grimtraveller]

Judging by the responses here, some evidently do !



My imagination is a mac, my reality is a PC.

 

[dastrick]

Judging by the responses here, some evidently do !

Very true.

 

[Armistice]

So who won? Reek or r1chard?

... what was this thread about again?

 

[r1chard]

About mac and pc, as I said, they are just a tool, pick the one you want. The winner is the one who learns to use his tools to the best of his abilities. So in essense, what the original poster said is true. Who cares (but mac people do care, they are constantly trying to justify paying a higher price for their tool.

PC costs less than mac, it has more software and hardware for it at a lower price. Anything dedicated only to mac will usually cost more because they only have 10 percent of the market simple supply and demand, market share, volume economics.

Reek said that mac was built for guys like him. I believe mac is for him, that is for sure, but if he was saying that mac is somehow easier to use or better than pc for a majority of people, I disagreed with him noting its small percentage (10) market share for whatever reason (price, limited hardware/software, price gouging by Apple). It appears most people are willing to put up with viruses (which is a downside of windows) for the lower cost. As I said, they are both tools, they both had advanages and disadvantages. Because they use the same hardware, they are just two different ways of getting to the same place.

No winners. I find mac a religion and debates about religion always become heated. Me, I use what is best for the money you pay (logic and reason is the opposite of religion in this case). I see no distinct advantage to mac to justify the extra cost. If Linux had better drivers and interface (I will say it is getting better and I may switch someday) I would use it because it is free. Linux downside is that most of the software and hardware (drivers)I use does not run on Linux so for me it is not a cost effective option. I have had this discussion before with photography people, they too try to justify the extra cost. Why? It is a tool, if you want to buy a more expensive one because you like it or it works better for you, go for it.

 

[legionserial]

At this point this thread has to be about the most pointless thread on the internet. What's next? Debating over what cereal you like for breakfast?

 

[mshilarious]

At this point this thread has to be about the most pointless thread on the internet. What's next? Debating over what cereal you like for breakfast?

Blueberry Morning, but it's expensive so usually I eat generic raisin bran instead Blueberry Morning is definitely the Apple of cereals, except it doesn't have any apples in it

 

[Terra]

Blueberry Morning

blueberry morning IS. THE. SHIT.

 

[mattdee1]

What I find is that Mac people are fanboys (nothing wrong with that) they will defend their purchase no matter how overpriced it is to the better end.

Arrgh, nothing brings my piss to a boil like "fanboys" of anything. You see it a lot with Mac vs. PC, Chevy vs. Ford, Playstation vs. XBox, etc.

You get these people hitting the 'net to argue to the death in favor of their preferred brand; it just blows my mind that so many people are so willing to shill for big corporations in this way. ANY time that I'm thinking about making a significant purchase, I'll research all of the alternatives to figure out which product makes the most sense from a cost/functionality standpoint. I'm sorry, but if you do any different, you're only selling yourself short.

For crying out loud people, make these money grubbing corporations earn your business every step of the way--don't just blindly buy their products because you always have, or because they're "cool" in your circle of friends.