Mac or PC.....WHO GIVES A CRAP....

[witzendoz]

What I want to know is that on Spooks, they start the computer and hack into the terrorists site and defuse the bomb with 2 seconds to go, if it was most computers on the planet and you turned it on you would get

(Talking widows now)

Windows logo, loading...........

Loading personal settings...........

"there are updates for you computer" (it's running perfectly well I don't need them)

"your computer may be at risk" (only from windows)

"there are unused icons on you desk top" (I want them there leave them alone)

"There is a wireless connection available" (oh thank you for that useless information)

"there is no wireless connection available" (the opposite useless information)

blah blah blah, and the bomb goes off BOOOOOOOOM!!!!!

And my Mac is not much quicker, you just don't get the stupid messages.

However having said that, my windows machine at the studio starts and loads in about 20 seconds, took me a while to get it down to that though.

Alan.

 

[philbagg]

Windows logo, loading..........

Same with a Mac, replacing the windows logo with the apple one.

Loading personal settings...........

Mac does the same thing, it has to. It just doesn't show you.

"there are updates for you computer" (it's running perfectly well I don't need them)

Mac does that too. In an even more annoying way (bouncing dock icon)

"your computer may be at risk" (only from windows)

It's only from windows because they are the majority. It'd be a waste of time for virus writers to write viruses for Macs considering they're the minority. Yet everybody confuses this with the stability of OS (even though Macintosh gets hacked quicker at hacking competitions).

The rest of the stuff you're talking about, I haven't seen in years because I set it up properly and maintain it.

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[witzendoz]

The rest of the stuff you're talking about, I haven't seen in years because I set it up properly and maintain it.

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Yes same here, that is why I mentioned that my studio computer starts in 20 seconds, I was taking the piss a bit with my comments.

As I always say, a computer is just a plastic box full of circuit boards, wire and processors, it does not know what brand it is.

Alan.

 

[twsknight]

You know what I hate? When I mentioned to people I do a bit of home recording and they say something like "oh, so you've got a Mac?" and when I say "no" I get the response "really, they're meant to be great for home recording?"

These people don't even have a clue how to begin recording audio and they still have that opinion? Bottom line if I wanted some fancy ass mac with the spec of my PC it would cost me more, plus I'd have to adapt to using a mac. I don't have time for that sorta shit.

Posers, the lot of them!

 

[legionserial]

Who gives a crap? Apple fanbois for the most part.

/thread.

 

[philbagg]

Yes same here, that is why I mentioned that my studio computer starts in 20 seconds, I was taking the piss a bit with my comments.

As I always say, a computer is just a plastic box full of circuit boards, wire and processors, it does not know what brand it is.

Alan.

I'm not doubting that you know how to set up and maintain your PC, I just had to nip those things in the bud

You know what I hate? When I mentioned to people I do a bit of home recording and they say something like "oh, so you've got a Mac?" and when I say "no" I get the response "really, they're meant to be great for home recording?"

These people don't even have a clue how to begin recording audio and they still have that opinion? Bottom line if I wanted some fancy ass mac with the spec of my PC it would cost me more, plus I'd have to adapt to using a mac. I don't have time for that sorta shit.

Posers, the lot of them!

+124917023531254123

Was reading the Argos catalog today, came across the Mac section, saying something like:

"Mac OS X is completely stable and has been designed with security in mind. It does not get affected by PC viruses and Malware."

Retarded. OS X not getting affected by PC viruses has nothing to do with their "secure design", it's the basic principle that it's a different OS, so it will not get affected by viruses written for other operating systems. It is, in fact, less stable than windows, as proved at a hacking competition where OSX was hacked first. They don't get viruses because nobody writes them for Mac.

The thing that pisses me off is that the Mac Mob, posers, and Apple lickarses either don't know this, or refuse to acknowledge it and continue to go around praising the almighty OSX and acting like Windows is back in the dark ages.

 

[cyrano]

Retarded. OS X not getting affected by PC viruses has nothing to do with their "secure design", it's the basic principle that it's a different OS, so it will not get affected by viruses written for other operating systems. It is, in fact, less stable than windows, as proved at a hacking competition where OSX was hacked first. They don't get viruses because nobody writes them for Mac.

The thing that pisses me off is that the Mac Mob, posers, and Apple lickarses either don't know this, or refuse to acknowledge it and continue to go around praising the almighty OSX and acting like Windows is back in the dark ages.

You know what pisses me off?

People who think they know what they're talking about...

Part of my job is security. As a hobby, I collect viruses. I don't collect every Windows virus out there, because there are just to many and I can't always get my hands on them. I do, however collect every Mac an *nix virus out there if I can find it. And I have approximately 3.000 Mac viruses.

And even some bootsector Windows viruses affect Macs too. Because they are very low level and at that level even the processor or OS doesn't even matter.

The one thing that kills Windows security each and every time again: backwards compatibility. You simply cannot make a system secure if you insist that every piece of old software should still work. As long as Microsoft doesn't back out of the idea of backwards compatibility, they will never have a reasonably secure system. Not even with all the efforts they have put in Vista and W7. MS has done a great job, but the old software provides every malware author out there with a zillion old holes that can't be plugged because it will break hundreds of other things.

But security is gone anyway. In these days of Bluepill and virtualised malware, no classic operating system can be secure. And since users, thanks to Windows' rap sheet, seem to care less and less about security, it's a lost battle anyway.

Oh, and BTW. OSX isn't less stable. It's less performant. If you would have any idea what you're goin' on about, you'd state that. But most users seem quite happy with a less performing system because it crashes a hell of a lot less too.

Xcuse me for the rant. I don't belong to the Mac Mob, posers, or Apple lickarses but I am fed up with Windows' zealots talking out of their asses.

 

[philbagg]

You know what pisses me off?

People who think they know what they're talking about...

That made my day.

And even some bootsector Windows viruses affect Macs too. Because they are very low level and at that level even the processor or OS doesn't even matter.

Then how are they windows viruses?

Oh, and BTW. OSX isn't less stable. It's less performant. If you would have any idea what you're goin' on about, you'd state that. But most users seem quite happy with a less performing system because it crashes a hell of a lot less too.

Whatever the hell that means, what I'm saying is that having used windows and mac for years, Mac has given me the most trouble. That, coupled with Apples business practices, is the thing that pisses me off. But it doesn't compare to the mac mob with their heads shoved up their arses. I know Windows isn't perfect... Believe me... I know. But tell me this, if it isn't less stable, why do hackers agree that it's the easiest to hack? (Linux, being the hardest)

 

[Steenamaroo]

"Mac OS X is completely stable and has been designed with security in mind. It does not get affected by PC viruses and Malware."

Retarded. OS X not getting affected by PC viruses has nothing to do with their "secure design"

hate to get picky on you, but the full stop in the middle of that quotation is of extreme importance.

These statements aren't necessarily linked.

i read "Mac OS X is completely stable and has been designed with security in mind." two statements,

and "It does not get affected by PC viruses and Malware." as a new, unrelated statement.

 

[philbagg]

hate to get picky on you, but the full stop in the middle of that quotation is of extreme importance.

These statements aren't necessarily linked.

i read "Mac OS X is completely stable and has been designed with security in mind." two statements,

and "It does not get affected by PC viruses and Malware." as a new, unrelated statement.

Here's the exact statement:

Doesn't get PC viruses (heading)
Designed with security in mind, Mac OS X isn't plagued by constant attacks from PC viruses and malware.

 

[kcearl]

If you havent got a MAC you are a cock...

 

[The_Salesman]

Philbagg

"The rest of the stuff you're talking about, I haven't seen in years because I set it up properly and maintain it."

I think that's the point, if you are into computers then you will "set it up properly and maintain it" but if you just want to turn it on and work Mac's are simpler. Not better, just simpler.

Long story short - PC's are great for computer guys, awful for those of us who are technotarded.

 

[philbagg]

Philbagg

"The rest of the stuff you're talking about, I haven't seen in years because I set it up properly and maintain it."

I think that's the point, if you are into computers then you will "set it up properly and maintain it" but if you just want to turn it on and work Mac's are simpler. Not better, just simpler.

Long story short - PC's are great for computer guys, awful for those of us who are technotarded.

Completely agree.

 

[cyrano]

Then how are they windows viruses?

Simply because the started life on Windows. They do not spread on Macs, but used to crash pre OSX and even the first OSX systems.

Whatever the hell that means, what I'm saying is that having used windows and mac for years, Mac has given me the most trouble. That, coupled with Apples business practices, is the thing that pisses me off.

I agree that Apple has taken over from MS when it comes to great marketing and monopolistic behavior. And their drift to mobile devices is worrying too.

And, yes, possibly OSX is not your thing. There's been an influx of new Mac users and approximately 5% return to Windows. The rest seem to agree it's better.

But it doesn't compare to the mac mob with their heads shoved up their arses. I know Windows isn't perfect... Believe me... I know. But tell me this, if it isn't less stable, why do hackers agree that it's the easiest to hack? (Linux, being the hardest)

You know what's funny? Ten years ago, Mac users could be considered a religious cult. It was a closed community. Nowadays, there's a surprising number of Windows users who exhibit the same behavior. Apple's publicity seems to irritate a fairly important number of people.

"Hackers" surely don't agree that OSX is the easiest. Most people who know about these things will never put one OS over another. What you probably are referring to is one convention in the US where OSX was penetrated in 10 seconds flat. Having had months to prepare for this contest, it's still surprising and the guy is very talented, but it doesn't mean a lot. And Linux isn't the hardest. There's no straight answer. It's a very complex matter.

The first thing a malware author will look for, is popularity. The second is how easy it is to con the user. Windows still has around 90% market share and still the most unaware users. So you'll see the most malware on Windows. All botnets, for instance are Windows based. However, for the command and controls servers, these authors use Linux systems. Not because they are easy to penetrate, but because they use stolen credit cards to rent these servers. By the time the suppliers find out the CC is stolen, these people have already moved to another supplier.

If Microsoft had the guts to break with the past and forget about backwards compatibility, they 'd have a pretty secure system. But I think they 're really afraid of losing a number of their users.

Last couple of months, Apple seems to be screwing up too. But not with OSX or the iPhone. What they seem to be ignoring, is the situation with the iTunes store. Some groups figured out how to penetrate the store. However, I don't know what Apple is doing behind the scenes. Apple is rather secretive...

Anyhow, if you want a secure system, have a look at Joanna Rutkowka's Qubes. It's a base on which you can run any other OS. Linux, Windows, or you could even build a Hackintosh on top of Qubes. Hec, you can even run all those simultaneously ;-)

 

[pure.fusion]

Interesting thread here.

I'm PC, and I've never even seen a Mac. But I'm well PC litterate and have heard the Mac's reputation over the years to be more stable. I mean, statistically, less crashes. Whether this is actually true or not, I dunno.

It's hard to quantify because of course stabiliy is also related to the administrator/owner of the machine, how well they maintain drivers etc, not just hardware.

But my point is that, I was led to beleive through word of mouth by Mac users that Macs were more stable.

Now, removing from the equation the bias where bias exists that studio engineers are the gods and the musicians to be recorded are the scum that the engineers tollerate in their space for a while, if the common belief is that Mac's are more stable, "are you Mac or PC" sounds like reasonable question from a musician, translating directly to "will you have me sitting in a room on a stool waiting to record while you reboot your machine and get your shit together, for the 5th time".

.. I only chime in 'cause I recently had a dodgy free VST effects plugin that was the culprit (I think) of many crashes during a recording session. I had to apologise to everyone while my PC re-booted, again!

FM

 

[benherron.rrr]

At the end of the day, if I started making money from producing music, I would go with a mac protools setup purly because many studios lose bussiness simply because they dont use Macs.

We have to use macs and uni, and protool. First off I dont want to open a DAW and get TOLD that I HAVE to save the project again before I open it. And if I dont want to do that, then I cant open pro tools. thats my general complaint with macs. with a mac you cant do anything you want to do you can only do what the mac tells you to do. On a PC you say no or press the red X and you carry on. I am a technotard but have no problems With my pc, Untill I try to fix what aint broken. With my experience on macs (which isnt vast) I find that my work flow is alot faster with my PC, and Ive got a dell dock which does the bouncy thing when you open a program.

The other thing I have about people with macs, is the prime example given by one of my tutors, he comes into a lecture spends 10 mins slowly getting his mac book pro out, making sure not to scratch it. pointing out it has a light on the back and some nice brushed aluminium. Loads it up, then spends 10 mins telling us how he nearly didn't turn up if it wasnt for some organizer app that he spent £200 that you can only get for a mac. then whales on for the rest of the lecture. How he has writen a book on logic, and has a million other jobs to do and what a pleasure it is for him to teach us telling us how he is on in the music producers guild, Yet he cant get a job doing actual music work and spends his time going to networking meetings. In the mean time taking time He could spend teaching me somthing I can use to get somwhere in this industry. and at the end of the day he is nothing more than the avrage human. sorry about the rant but that sums it up for me, the majority NOT ALL BUT MOST of the people I KNOW who use protools/macs or any combination inbetween are dicks.

Has no one ever heard the phrase "tools are only as good as the person using them" somewhere along the line people belive the tools yo use make you better, I belive thats the cause of the decline.

Sorry again for the rant

 

[Steenamaroo]

oh my fu*king god! snoooooooore.

 

[philbagg]

We have to use macs and uni, and protool. First off I dont want to open a DAW and get TOLD that I HAVE to save the project again before I open it. And if I dont want to do that, then I cant open pro tools. thats my general complaint with macs. with a mac you cant do anything you want to do you can only do what the mac tells you to do. On a PC you say no or press the red X and you carry on. I am a technotard but have no problems With my pc, Untill I try to fix what aint broken. With my experience on macs (which isnt vast) I find that my work flow is alot faster with my PC, and Ive got a dell dock which does the bouncy thing when you open a program.

As described in this video, which I found hilarious, when you're running PC, you're controlling it. When you're running a mac, you're simply "sharing the mac experience".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEAGmBRC1dc

(Youtube embeds not working anymore?)

the majority NOT ALL BUT MOST of the people I KNOW who use protools/macs or any combination inbetween are dicks.

I'd half (dis)agree. In my class last year, any of the guys that switched to mac constantly went on about how much they hated windows. Yet, it seemed to be doing them fine for YEARS! All of a sudden it's terrible? Those guys, dickheads.

However, most of us agreed that Pro Tools wasn't the godsend it was made out to be. It took us a while to figure that out, but coming close to the last days we were all branching out into Logic/Cubase/Reaper/Ableton etc. for a number of factors. RTAS processing, Bang for your buck on interfaces was terrible, Avids business practices, and BUGS BUGS BUGS!!! I found it funny that when it came to Pro Tools, these guys could NOT conform to the "industry standard", yet with Macs it was a different story.

 

[philbagg]

oh my fu*king god! snoooooooore.

Good input

 

[Armistice]

You're not staying up late any more Philby?

Wassamatta? Tired?