Kristal question

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So I got Kristal up and working and all is alright.

I noticed playback , of 4 or 5 tracks tune, they were all out of sync with Track 1?? :confused:

Is this latency? I understand my audio card is MME which Kristal doesn't recomend....but by sliding the track I aligned it all manually and it works.
While I'm overdubbing it sounds in time....only during playback it got worse.

Of course, my question is any ideas on why this is happening and what to do to avoid manually having to align the tracks??
 
It is the latency of the card. I use Kristal with ASIO drivers and set the latency on the card for 2 ms. Since you can't set the latency on MME drivers in Kristal, the only option is to allign it manually. To not do this you could possibly get a better sound card, possibly a M-Audio 24/96 PCI card. Hopes this helps.
 
thanks thats exactly what I was wondering...

damn I knew it..I'm being sucked in...piece by piece...software, then audio card, then ?????

soon I'll have TWO HR studios!! :eek:

the manual aligning is do-able, yeah, but its freakin' not my idea of enjoyment! whoa...kinda painful and tedious maximus!
 
COOLCAT said:
thanks thats exactly what I was wondering...

damn I knew it..I'm being sucked in...piece by piece...software, then audio card, then ?????

soon I'll have TWO HR studios!! :eek:

the manual aligning is do-able, yeah, but its freakin' not my idea of enjoyment! whoa...kinda painful and tedious maximus!
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try the ASIO4ALL driver http://www.asio4all.com/
 
thanks..I installed the driver.
I just understood the threads "driver" not card maybe able to fix this..

that'd be great.

thanks fellow gearheads!
 
the CEO of the Company isnt too happy because of the association of his beverage with hip hop and R+B. JayZ cries racism, boycott ensues.
 
racism+boycott= rott

welll just tried the new driver and the latency is still there.

is it just that I have a "stock" pentium3 type system soundcard?
 
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Out of interest, what sequencer are you using?

It may well be an internal sync issue with your sequencer software rather than your soundcard. Cubase SE/SL/SX is notorious for this problem, resulting in MIDI notes lagging behind for seemingly no reason.
 
COOLCAT said:
racism+boycott= rott

welll just tried the new driver and the latency is still there.

is it just that I have a "stock" pentium3 type system soundcard?
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i don't know what you've tried yet but you will have to play around with the settings in the asio4all panel to get the lowest latency possible on your machine. also, there is a forum where you got the asio4all driver. check it out and you might find some useful settings and info. way back when i was using my onboard sound card, i was getting fairly low latencies with the asio4all driver.

If you want my opinion, Kristal sucks. It's buggy as hell. Tracks recorded at any latency should line up properly. I remember trying kristal way back and then again when I was looking for free software for a friend interested in recording. I had nothing but problems with it. Try Reaper. I think you will have much better luck.
 
Agent47 said:
Out of interest, what sequencer are you using?

It may well be an internal sync issue with your sequencer software rather than your soundcard. Cubase SE/SL/SX is notorious for this problem, resulting in MIDI notes lagging behind for seemingly no reason.
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Kristal "IS" the sequencer software. I'm betting that his problem is with the software.
 
Kristal and then some

I'm just plugging analog(microphone) into the soundcard is all.
No sequencers.

It's a multitrack/overdub application.

Example-
I recorded Track 1- rythm acoustic
Recorded Track 2- some acoustic guitar picking
Recorded Track 3- Cowbell

Then playback and all the tracks are out of sync?
So by "dragging" the tracks manual alignment puts them all in sync.

I did go to preference and deselect everything except ASIO4ALL....

bear with me, this is basic 101. I did find all the initial issues were cleared up by setting up the Windows Mixer setup!! thats how basic this is.

Anyway....its doesn't seem to be that bad a software?
After manual alignment...save as wav. then export and use my MP3 (SWITCH FREE SOFTWARE)......and it works.

Just trying to get away from this "out of sync" playback, I'm assuming is called Latency.
 
I think the problem is that you need "more cowbell!!"

Sorry, couldn't resist making a dumb comment.

FWIW, I'm new to this and Kristal is working out fine. I am using an AISO driver for my M-Audio Mobilepre.

For $0 you could download Reaper and see if that solves your problems. I didn't care much for the interface, but then that's just a matter of taste.

-Andrew
 
After you get your soundcard, you'll find limitations in Kristal and you'll want a better multitracker. For cheap, you can get n-Track which I find to be much more stable and has many more features. It's $50, but you should also note that most sequencers are many times more expensive. Plus, it gets updated on a regular basis.
 
Out of Sync for sure

adauria said:
I think the problem is that you need "more cowbell!!"
-Andrew
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thats one of the best skits...Blue Oyster Cult and the Cowbell track, SNL....hehe

I don't understand this "out of sync" playback issue.

if its my soundcard will anything work with it?
its a basic,basic card...apparently Full Duplex as I can Overdub to a track.

NTracks is pretty well liked. Seems once any of them are working it's "alright"..

I want to get Kristal working without spending much money.

I will go back tonight and run REAPER again (now that I have the Windows mixer setup right).

On KRISTAL
I still get MME audio driver when I track? then the previous go to Not Recording.
Even though the preference check box only selects ASIO4ALL now.
 
I use KRISTAL too and I always have problem with the tracks not in sync. Like you, I just drag them to sync. Not a big problem to me because I hardly use more than 4 tracks. But I sill use it, cos its even when I have REAPER installed. REAPER is one step better than KRISTAL in terms of features.
 
great help...thanks.

I assume you have the ASIO driver?

so it must be the soundcard? !!!!

I'd like to eliminate the "out-of sync" thing if can be done easily, like popping a cheap card in the pc.

this old pc can't be expected to do much other than record some basics, then probably burn a cdr and erase the stuff. yeah 4 to 12 tracks.
 
it's possible that the sound card is your problem but i think it may be that kristal does'nt have any kind of latency compenstation. i guess us commercial software users take stuff like that for granted.

btw, what's the lowest latency you were able to achieve with the asio4all driver?
 
I don't know? I mean what handles the latency the card or the drivers or the software?

So does KRISTAL have this issue no matter what card I use?

any comments would be good.
 
I use Kristal and I checked it out again. Kristal is not the problem for latency issues. In Kristal, you use the latency of your soundcard meaning that when you click the little "e" next to the "Audio Output", it goes to your soundcard settings interface. When I used a Sounblaster Audigy II card, it went to the latency settings on there. Now that I use an M-Audio firewire interface, it goes to the M-Audio settings. My suggestion is to spend the money to get a better soundcard. If you use a better card with a lower latency you will not have any allignment issues, especially if you use the kristal click track when recording.
 
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