Iggy! - Search and Destroy - have a listen please

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Like I said it's all tastes, Ramones are the flag ship of american punk, and i don't argue their brilliance because that's just pure fact.
Dude, Vibrators kick ass, I saw them 3 times already, and they rock, althou they are pretty much old farts by now. I'm no expert on early american punk (well im actually no expert at all) but i do prefer listening to the british stuff. :)
 
I listened to both back and forth a few times. I like the drums on the second mix better.

Something in that lead is killing my ears at high volumes. It's not as bad on the end section, maybe cause there is more around it? Sounds like it's a combo of the tone and the flanger/phaser teaming up here and there at about 1k to 1.5k.

If it was me I would pull the gain on the lead a bit at the begining & middle sections or I would try to mess with the eq while still keeping that sound.

I know I'm the only guy mentioning it. Maybe I just listen louder than everyone else:D I am cranking it pretty good;)

If I get a chance I will burn it and take it out to the truck to see if it mellows out for me.

F.S.
 
Freudian Slip said:
I listened to both back and forth a few times. I like the drums on the second mix better.

Something in that lead is killing my ears at high volumes. It's not as bad on the end section, maybe cause there is more around it? Sounds like it's a combo of the tone and the flanger/phaser teaming up here and there at about 1k to 1.5k.

If it was me I would pull the gain on the lead a bit at the begining & middle sections or I would try to mess with the eq while still keeping that sound.

I know I'm the only guy mentioning it. Maybe I just listen louder than everyone else:D I am cranking it pretty good;)

If I get a chance I will burn it and take it out to the truck to see if it mellows out for me.

F.S.
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Okay man, thanks for listening. I'll revisit that lead guitar some later on. :)
 
Bueller reporting here for duty sir!!!:D:eek:

Ima gonna listena nowa ....

Well, I listened to mix 2 ...just once. It kicks ass...mucho asso...you are not human....


Now on to mix 1.....I didn't finish this one yet...right off the bat, I noticed the guitars sounded out front more....back to listen....I like this song. I had not heard it before.

Actually the first one is more noisy to my ears....I like mix2 the best. Everything has it's own space and loud without sounding noisy....the outro sends chills up and down my spine with the guits and the echo vox.....ooooo......man Greg...you really do kick ass...how many music doods you got in there....?:D Freaking good stuff.

When does the CD come out...I am in line first...:cool:....no bullshit....just stating a fact.
 
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I like the song and the presentation is fine, but...

this mix strikes me as being very harsh and shrill. I'd trim back the treble and efx a notch or two. More trim in the treble, though. The playing and singing is great, no doubt, as usual. It's too shriekingly & overly bright and harsh sounding, with a relentless ear scouring assault of treble and sibiliance on every track, that's each fighting to fill the mix & resulting in a slurried haze on the high end. [MO/YMMV].

The performance was darn near perfect. Good points for that. You can really rock with the best of 'em.

I dont' think that all things in music were necessarily meant to be listened to with such high end 'hype' or so-called 'sonic clarity' that digital offers or is capable of, because in many instances the high end of digital becomes harsh or hyped, for some reason. Go figure. (Go analog).:eek:;)

Also, (in general), a lot of what you hear in sonic recordings is based in technique, such as those employed as commonplace in modern production methods of recording "modern sounding" rock. It's not necessarily the format that defines the sound. This recording fits in with modern sounding rock,... (loud, compressed, and wall-of-sound-ish). There's apparently only two settings in modern rock: loud and louder.

This particular mix seems like it's hyped & harsh sounding hash in the high end. Everything in the mix has too much "edge", and all that edge is fighting for space and resonating a noticeable amount in some very harsh frequencies. The harshness of the treble distracted completely away from any bass the mix might have,... & practically drown it out.

I liked the song a lot, though. It's really great playing and singing. I'll listen again when my ears stop hurting.:eek:;)
 
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Greg, I like the new mix - the drier vox sound on the money - the smoother lead guitar probably matched the analogue original recording better.
Excellent piece of work.
Re: X Ray Spex all I can say is I'm a Germ Free Adolescent, cleanliness is my obsession, I'm a Warrior In Woolworths and then The Day the World Turned Dayglow I knew that while I'm no Anglophile I can see things Looking Through Gary Gilmour's Eyes and know that LOT's of 2 chord wonders were wonderful (even the Adverts). The Fall, Wire, The Damned were fun and excellent.The former two being brainfood as well.
Then again Television, The Voidoids, Patti Smith Group, Dictators (wiv Stiv), the Heartbreakers and further back the NY Dolls all did a splendid job of taking Stooge energy and agro into art.
Hey, it's all music and some of it's BRILLIANT, most is fun and the rest - well personal taste is EVERYTHING.
Oh, back to the topic - EXCELLENT COVER - mix B is great & mix A I'd be proud to have done!
 
A Reel Person said:
this mix strikes me as being very harsh and shrill. I'd trim back the treble and efx a notch or two. More trim in the treble, though. The playing and singing is great, no doubt, as usual. It's too shriekingly & overly bright and harsh sounding, with a relentless ear scouring assault of treble and sibiliance on every track, that's each fighting to fill the mix & resulting in a slurried haze on the high end. [MO/YMMV].

The performance was darn near perfect. Good points for that. You can really rock with the best of 'em.

I dont' think that all things in music were necessarily meant to be listened to with such high end 'hype' or so-called 'sonic clarity' that digital offers or is capable of, because in many instances the high end of digital becomes harsh or hyped, for some reason. Go figure. (Go analog).:eek:;)

Also, (in general), a lot of what you hear in sonic recordings is based in technique, such as those employed as commonplace in modern production methods of recording "modern sounding" rock. It's not necessarily the format that defines the sound. This recording fits in with modern sounding rock,... (loud, compressed, and wall-of-sound-ish). There's apparently only two settings in modern rock: loud and louder.

This particular mix seems like it's hyped & harsh sounding hash in the high end. Everything in the mix has too much "edge", and all that edge is fighting for space and resonating a noticeable amount in some very harsh frequencies. The harshness of the treble distracted completely away from any bass the mix might have,... & practically drown it out.

I liked the song a lot, though. It's really great playing and singing. I'll listen again when my ears stop hurting.:eek:;)
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Thanks for the detailed analysis. You've said this about some of my mixes before. Are you listening to the newer mix? Maybe my ears are wasted, but I'm not hearing it as too bright. Maybe the lead guitar is a little fizzy in spots, but on my setup and on the spectrum analyzer, it sounds and looks pretty smooth. :confused: :confused:

As for the brickwalling and loudness of modern music, that doesn't really bother me. I don't like modern music, but it's not because of the production. I don't listen to anything with a lot of dynamic range. It's all knock-you-over rock. :D
 
LogicDeLuxe said:
I'm glad, I'm not the only one who noticed this.
I wonder, what do you think of my resonance fixed excerpt then? http://www.zshare.net/download/31990705be32f2/
I did this on the 1st version, as the 2nd (more dry) version wasn't there at that time.
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Man, I've asked you to be more specific and post a valid example of your "fix", but you've instead refused and continued with vagueness. I asked you be more specific, and you responded with nothing. Take your virus/spyware filled pop-up link out of here. :mad:
 
rayc said:
Greg, I like the new mix - the drier vox sound on the money - the smoother lead guitar probably matched the analogue original recording better.
Excellent piece of work.
Re: X Ray Spex all I can say is I'm a Germ Free Adolescent, cleanliness is my obsession, I'm a Warrior In Woolworths and then The Day the World Turned Dayglow I knew that while I'm no Anglophile I can see things Looking Through Gary Gilmour's Eyes and know that LOT's of 2 chord wonders were wonderful (even the Adverts). The Fall, Wire, The Damned were fun and excellent.The former two being brainfood as well.
Then again Television, The Voidoids, Patti Smith Group, Dictators (wiv Stiv), the Heartbreakers and further back the NY Dolls all did a splendid job of taking Stooge energy and agro into art.
Hey, it's all music and some of it's BRILLIANT, most is fun and the rest - well personal taste is EVERYTHING.
Oh, back to the topic - EXCELLENT COVER - mix B is great & mix A I'd be proud to have done!
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Thanks Ray. Is it too bright to you?
 
Listening to the two mixes back to back, the second has better vocals...they are more what I remember this style to be. I hear them better.
I think the overall sound has that vintage vibe to it...sort of over the top for that era. It's plenty loud and rude....as it should be. :D
 
Dogman said:
Listening to the two mixes back to back, the second has better vocals...they are more what I remember this style to be. I hear them better.
I think the overall sound has that vintage vibe to it...sort of over the top for that era. It's plenty loud and rude....as it should be. :D
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Thanks man. Are you hearing any harshness or too much high-end?
 
Greg_L said:
Thanks man. Are you hearing any harshness or too much high-end?
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It is a bright mix, but i don't think the Stooges should be dull or dark and heavy. You could try and whack a small amount of high end from the guitars and cymbals, but it needs some brightness to sound like it's the Stooges. The bass is pretty tight, and sounds good. Maybe if you can get the guitars a little tighter somehow, by knocking off just the very top end, but like I said, don't overdo it.
 
Greg_L said:
Take your virus/spyware filled pop-up link out of here. :mad:
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What's your problem? Just click on "download now" and save the file. There is no spyware, no pop-up link, no nothing. You don't even need an account or login, and no capcha either. zSHARE is apparently supported through Google ads, and those don't do anything if you don't click on them. I use it, since it is one of the least annoying free filehoster, ie. you get alot for paying nothing. If you want to blame someone for that, blame zSHARE and stay with those filehoster which require you to register first or waiting in line for hours.
 
LogicDeLuxe said:
What's your problem? Just click on "download now" and save the file. There is no spyware, no pop-up link, no nothing. You don't even need an account or login, and no capcha either. zSHARE is apparently supported through Google ads, and those don't do anything if you don't click on them. I use it, since it is one of the least annoying free filehoster, ie. you get alot for paying nothing. If you want to blame someone for that, blame zSHARE and stay with those filehoster which require you to register first or waiting in line for hours.
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I've tried to download your link. I honestly want to hear what you're talking about. Each time I tried I got hit with pop-ups and my Norton anti-virus alerted me to some type of attack.

What I suggested pages ago was to post your MP3 somewhere else - like lightning or soundclick so I can hear it without being hacked. I want to hear this "resonance at 2.5khz" you keep talking about so I can address it. You've been pretty vague in your explanations. It almost seems intentional. I'm on new monitors so I'm trying to figure them out.
 
Dogman said:
It is a bright mix, but i don't think the Stooges should be dull or dark and heavy.
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I agree. I think it's pretty close.

2.5k could be what I am hearing in the lead. Because it does seem to hit a resonace at times like when it hits certain notes the volume goes up by 1/3, but I have not messed with a parametric to pin down anything. I however don't hear it in the rythem guitars only the lead. I threw out 1.5k because it is one of the guitar frequencies that can get ya. around 3k can too though. I think the flange is sweeping to a freq that's pretty prevelent in the guitar already and your getting a stacking situation there.


Don't go crazy on this thing Greg. I think it sounds good and fits the style but I think different terms are being used for the same thing here. I'd just tweak the lead and see where it gets you. Maybe a hair off the rythem.

New monitors!! Cool:D What ya using now.

F.S.
 
LogicDeLuxe said:
As I saved my file in Ogg Vorbis format, Lightningmp3 does not support it. I did the same resonance fix on the more dry version this time and saved it as mp3. Take it here: http://www.lightningmp3.com/live/file.php?fid=8817
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Okay thank you for finally posting something that I can hear. I see what you were talking about now. But what I hear is a tamed lead, which isn't bad at all, but now the snare has lost its crack. So, I'm gonna go back in and work on the lead. Thank you fro taking the time to listen and mess with my mix. :)

Freudian Slip said:
I agree. I think it's pretty close.

2.5k could be what I am hearing in the lead. Because it does seem to hit a resonace at times like when it hits certain notes the volume goes up by 1/3, but I have not messed with a parametric to pin down anything. I however don't hear it in the rythem guitars only the lead. I threw out 1.5k because it is one of the guitar frequencies that can get ya. around 3k can too though. I think the flange is sweeping to a freq that's pretty prevelent in the guitar already and your getting a stacking situation there.


Don't go crazy on this thing Greg. I think it sounds good and fits the style but I think different terms are being used for the same thing here. I'd just tweak the lead and see where it gets you. Maybe a hair off the rythem.

New monitors!! Cool:D What ya using now.

F.S.
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Nothing fancy. RP-8's. They beat what I had before though by a mile.

I'm clearer now on what some of yall are saying about the highs. There's a lot of open hats, cymbal crashes and ugly guitars in this one. I guess what I went for and heard in my head isn't jiving with yalls ears. :p

That's cool though. That's why I post this stuff. Compliments are great and I love them, but I really want to get better and this is how. :)

I'm gonna go back in and tweak the lead and re-post another mix.
 
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