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Take his "mastered" version and just lower the output level so it's the same as your original...and there not much difference, maybe a pinch more brightness, otherwise, nothing else.

Now if that's all you needed/wanted...but I bet a real mastering engineer could do much more for you than just punch up the volume like that (WAY TO MUCH I might add)…and flat-top everything.
He actually made the song annoying to listen to, IMHO.
That song doesn’t need to be IN YOUR FACE!!!! :D

I think you're song has some things you could correct with simple remixing...before you even consider any volume boosts or any other "mastering".
Lower the level of the acoustic a bit...and then either just pan it more to one side, out of the way of the vocal, or...since you have nothing else but drums and vocals, consider splitting it into two tracks and panning it with a touch of delay on one side, or redoing the acoustic as a true stereo track...so that you can have it fill out left and right, while opening up the middle for the vocals.
Also...those drums are lame. :)
I know it's just a simple electronic beat...but maybe tune it in with some more beef, and throw in something more than just the basic beat...a few accents, a roll.
Now...if you add a bass guitar...I think you would have a nice mix going!
It's a good tune...it has a Beatlesque vibe at the change-up.
 
Monkey Allen said:
Haha...ok so here you can see fala in action...is he a good masterer? Or is he just some dude at home pointing all the plugs he can at my song? Is my song beyond mastering help?

The song is "What'd You Do That For?"

I suppose you should listen to the original plain mix first and then the fala mastering job.

http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=355705&content=music
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Definitely should not crush this song like that. It breathes nicely in your pre-Fala version.

The two things I noticed with Fala's version is: 1) the obvious clipping, 2) the other instruments moving in and out whenever the vocals come in. Because it is limited so hard there's no more headroom, so when vocals come in with each phrase, the other instruments drop down a little to make room. It kind of pumps with each phrase; a little annoying. :(

BTW: I like the song. I need to pay more attnetion when you post in the MP3 Clinic. Cheers,
 
But let's not forget that no-one should ever, ever, ever have taken his word as a 'masterer' for real...am I right? I sent him my song for shits and giggles...

But...strangely enough...people did take him as for real...and they sunk the boot in...why?

I'm fucked if I know
 
Good grief...

I don't post here often, as you can tell from my post count, but I do read daily.

Southside Glen I know you've got a lot of strong opinions about mastering (and really any other topic regarding music or music production). Which you're entirely entitled to have. However, you come off as a bit pompous many times. Which is why you're getting the "surprising" response you're getting from some of the people here. It's a forum dude...people aren't always going to do things you like. And when they don't...you don't really have to correct them. And if you DO feel the need to show them the error of their ways, you don't have to do it by showing everyone else how much YOU know and how much THEY don't.

The agenda for a lot of the pros on here is pretty obvious to me. Make it so abundantly clear that mastering (or any other part of the music production process) is a specific, detailed, difficult task that requires years of training and expertise to even attempt. So don't bother attempting it yourself. Just send your stuff off to a real mastering engineer...oh and by the way BillyBob here who's a good friend of mine happens to be one, and is looking for work, and is willing to charge you the industry standard fees to do the work. Because that's what we're all here for. To be in the industry...........Unless you don't and you just want to master because it's fun to play with this stuff. In which case...you should STILL send your stuff off to be mastered by a professional because it's the right thing to do.

Oh and all of the home recording people should sell all of their equipment because they all suck...don't even try to START learning how to do any of it.

...that last bit was all sarcasm.

It's pretty obvious Fala is a novice...it's also pretty obvious that there's a significant language barrier which makes things difficult for everyone...but free is free...mastering is relative...and it seems like some of the actual professionals in here are all just scared they're going to lose their jobs to a bunch of amatures. Understandable, but frankly I'm a capitalist, so the best way to ensure that Fala doesn't turn into a multi-million dollar mastering mogul, would be to be so good at mastering, at such a competitive price, with an excellent marketing angle...that there's no way he'd be able to compete.

But I'm just an amature who records, produces, mixes, masters at home. So really...my $0.02 is worth just about that.
 
grimtraveller said:
When you guys write in Italian, could you give the rest of us a brief translation of what's being said ?
Merci beaucoup (thank you very much).
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I was wishing him good luck with mastering. Telling him to stick with it and concentrate on the value of making things sound good over the value of making things loud. I also was letting him know that some of my family originated from Abruzzi, Italy.

At first Fala's post seem like spam, but reading into it a bit you get the general sense that he is actually just trying to gain experience and real world feedback, which is a good way to learn.
 
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SouthSIDE Glen said:
Three points: first this is a non-regulated racket, and therefore needs to be self-regulated. Unlike the financial mortagae sector, I'm just trying to exercise a little self-regulation to save the whole home recording sector from crashing and burning in a similar way.
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The home recording sector is going to have a meltdown similar to the mortgage industry?

Wow.

:laughings::laughings::laughings::laughings:
 
Waltz Mastering said:
At first Fala's post seem like spam, but reading into it a bit you get the general sense that he is actually just trying to gain experience and real world feedback, which is a good way to learn.
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That's what I got from it also. I didn't think he was claiming to be a pro.
On the other hand, it's close to spam, so Fala has to be careful to not try to generate business for himself in the forums.

Sounds like there's a niche market for mastering engineers in Italy, though....
 
I master my own stuff because I can't afford to send it to a mastering engineer. It's taken many years of research and tinkering to be able to do my own mastering. I wouldn't want to master anyone else's tunes, because I don't have all the proper equipment to do it as well as a mastering house, but I do understand how EQ works, and how to properly use compression and limiting and I DO NOT brick wall my mixes, I'm very against the whole loudness war that's going on. I can put in my own UPC codes and text in so my CD cover and artist info will be displayed when played on ipods and such.... and I guess if a friend of mine needed something done I would do it but to post free mastering on a site like this with from what I've understood from him is little knowledge except to make it loud I would never do that.....
 
Chili said:
That's what I got from it also. I didn't think he was claiming to be a pro.
On the other hand, it's close to spam, so Fala has to be careful to not try to generate business for himself in the forums.

Sounds like there's a niche market for mastering engineers in Italy, though....
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that's true in america there a big market for mastering and knowledge in italy there few serious studies one or two but not a level of yours
 
Chili said:
Definitely should not crush this song like that. It breathes nicely in your pre-Fala version.

The two things I noticed with Fala's version is: 1) the obvious clipping, 2) the other instruments moving in and out whenever the vocals come in. Because it is limited so hard there's no more headroom, so when vocals come in with each phrase, the other instruments drop down a little to make room. It kind of pumps with each phrase; a little annoying. :(

BTW: I like the song. I need to pay more attnetion when you post in the MP3 Clinic. Cheers,
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chili there's a problem on monkey mix the voice it would have to be more compressed and the bass more high my master is very loudy... and the voice have much dynamics it would have to compress much more
 
Chili said:
Sounds like there's a niche market for mastering engineers in Italy, though....
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Hmmm... Pizza and lots of work... Tempting...

What do they call Italian sausage in Italy? Just "Sausage?"

It's a valid question. We still call American cheese "American cheese" --
 
fala said:
that's true in america there a big market for mastering and knowledge in italy there few serious studies one or two but not a level of yours
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With the Internet there are now many pro mastering houses that offer online mastering, so it's even more important for you to really know what you are doing when you offer a mastering service...
...because once your reputation (good or bad) as a "mastering engineer" is made on the Internet...it's hard to undo.
 
miroslav said:
Now...if you add a bass guitar...I think you would have a nice mix going!
It's a good tune...it has a Beatlesque vibe at the change-up.
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Monkey Allen...I just listened to it again, and realized that there IS a bass guitar...waaaaaaaaay in the background, almost unnoticable (I'm listening on a laptop :) ).

But I'll say it again, you just need some re-tracking (drums)...and some remixing to adjust levels and panning...
...and then you may not need much in the way of mastering after that, other than to just give it a pinch-o-punch...(not much).

I really like the song. :cool:
 
Massive Master said:
What do they call Italian sausage in Italy? Just "Sausage?"

It's a valid question. We still call American cheese "American cheese" --
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But do they have a lot of other sausage types...like Jimmy Dean's breakfast sausage? :D

We have a lot of imported European cheese...mmmmmm...
.,..I guess that's why we still say "American Cheese" when we talk about that funny food-colored yellow stuff. ;)
 
monkey... he must compress the voice and add more bass at this song
 
oops double post monkey... he must compress the voice and add more bass at this song
 
The voice is fine...the acoustic is too loud...needs louder bass...punch up and improve the drums...adjust the panning....
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......THEN maybe talk about mastering.

You really shouldn't try to use mastering to do retracking and remixing.
 
miroslav said:
The voice is fine...the acoustic is too loud...needs louder bass...punch up and improve the drums...adjust the panning....
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......THEN maybe talk about mastering.

You really shouldn't try to use mastering to do retracking and remixing.
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and he must also must little voice levelling... not a volume this is fine :)
 
I don't think his vocal needs much "leveling", overall....and now that I listen again, it's not that the guitar is too loud, it just needs to be panned out of the way of the vocals.

I would first remix before talking about "leveling/compressing" anything.....
 
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