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DJL
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crazydoc said:
Do your testing with any matched pair from the Sound Room.
Do your testing with any matched pair from the Sound Room.
Giganova
gimmi your mic!
I'm sure if Neumann would have dots on their packages we all wouldn't have to argue here. I miss Neumann dots all of a sudden. I want Neumann dots!!Harvey Gerst said:
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DJL
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Harvey Gerst said:
Neumann is not basing their microphone matching solely on output levels like PMI is with their Studio Projects microphones... are they?
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chessrock
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I'm sorry, DJL, but there is only one chessrock. 
Everything else is just a pale imitation.
Everything else is just a pale imitation.
Everything else is just a pale imitation.
Everything else is just a pale imitation.Everything else is just a pale imitation.
Everything else is just a pale imitation.
crazydoc
Master Baiter
DJL said:
I said random mics, not matched pairs. And there's more to a matched pair than matching just the output level.
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Harvey Gerst
New member
You're trying to change the subject. Your claim was that a four dB variation in output level between the same mics is unacceptable and points to poor Quality Control.
I'm pointing out that the variation is identical in both cases.
I'm pointing out that the variation is identical in both cases.
c7sus
Disenfranchised Member
Give it a fuckin rest already DJL.
I'm emailing Slack to have your ass removed for wasting bandwidth.
Not remove you from the board, just your ass from you.
I'm emailing Slack to have your ass removed for wasting bandwidth.
Not remove you from the board, just your ass from you.
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DJL
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chessrock said:I'm sorry, DJL, but there is only one chessrock.
Everything else is just a pale imitation.
Everything else is just a pale imitation.
That's another reason why I like you so much... cause your extra special.
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DJL
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crazydoc said:
Amen.
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Flatpicker
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The sound room does not design mics - They match and SELL them. I'm sure someone will SELL you a set of B1s with the same color dot for double the list price if you want. Oktava's QC is all over the place. So what if someone with access to them sorts through a bunch, matches the ones that suck and the ones that don't suck... does that that make Oktava a better mic??!! Again, you're not making sense - What's the point of all this?DJL said:
Never mind - its obvious...
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DJL
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Harvey Gerst said:
The subject is the same and I'm saying because of PMI's poor quality control with their cheap Chinese made Studio Projects microphones, colored dots were added because of inconsistent output levels.
I also wonder how well 50 off-the-shelf Studio Projects microphones with red dots are really "Matched" to each other?
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DJL
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c7sus said:
C7sus, I haven't call you or anyone else any names or flamed anyone... all I've done is post a message stating that "because of PMI's poor quality control with their cheap Chinese made Studio Projects microphones, colored dots were added because of inconsistent output levels." which I believe and I think this thread is turnning into a pretty good thread, it has even got Harvey thinking and active again.
crazydoc
Master Baiter
DJL said:
Alan Hyatt has never said they were "matched" - only that the output levels agreed to the above specifications.
c7sus
Disenfranchised Member
Here's an idea that may not have occured to you, DJL:
Buy something else!
Disagree with Alan all you want, in my view the guy is the Henry Ford of mics. That notion struck me when I saw Alan say he needed to sell something on the order of 100,000 B1's to make a profit off them. Like it or not, Alan has paved the way for a lot more folks to take a stab at recording themselves. And when they decide to buy his mics then they need mixers and pres and cables and FX and room treatments and everything else that goes along with it. As folks get more involved in recording and their skills progress their idea of what sounds good is going to change too. So maybe today's 15-year-old that starts with a B1 is looking at Lawsons and Earthworks and other high-end stuff later.
Also, I think Alan is sincere in keeping the "E" series assembly in the US, and I think that idea came about as a direct result of input from boards like this.
But you're really beating the shit out of a dead horse, amigo.
Buy something else!
Disagree with Alan all you want, in my view the guy is the Henry Ford of mics. That notion struck me when I saw Alan say he needed to sell something on the order of 100,000 B1's to make a profit off them. Like it or not, Alan has paved the way for a lot more folks to take a stab at recording themselves. And when they decide to buy his mics then they need mixers and pres and cables and FX and room treatments and everything else that goes along with it. As folks get more involved in recording and their skills progress their idea of what sounds good is going to change too. So maybe today's 15-year-old that starts with a B1 is looking at Lawsons and Earthworks and other high-end stuff later.
Also, I think Alan is sincere in keeping the "E" series assembly in the US, and I think that idea came about as a direct result of input from boards like this.
But you're really beating the shit out of a dead horse, amigo.
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DJL
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crazydoc said:
I suggest you use the search fuction and you'll fine that not to be so.
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DJL
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c7sus, your slipping off the subject my friend, but thanks anyway.
freshmattyp
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Just because you keep repeating it doesn't make your premise any more valid.
The fact is, and this was stated about 2 pages ago, that SP goes to the extra step of marking their mics with a color coded dot to assist buyers who may want buy more than one mic so that their microphones will behave in a consistent manner to each other. They will not be "matched", at least not in the sense that other companies create matched pairs.
I would venture to say that 50 retail red dot SP microphones would all behave in a similar manner, consistent with the specs you posted waaaaay back at the beginning of the thread. I cannot state this as absolute fact, since I do not have 50 mics to compare. I do feel pretty confident, though.
The fact is, and this was stated about 2 pages ago, that SP goes to the extra step of marking their mics with a color coded dot to assist buyers who may want buy more than one mic so that their microphones will behave in a consistent manner to each other. They will not be "matched", at least not in the sense that other companies create matched pairs.
I would venture to say that 50 retail red dot SP microphones would all behave in a similar manner, consistent with the specs you posted waaaaay back at the beginning of the thread. I cannot state this as absolute fact, since I do not have 50 mics to compare. I do feel pretty confident, though.
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chessparov
New member
The best thing about this thread so far is seeing a response from Harvey.
I was bummed I didn't get a blue dot because it's my favorite color BTW.
The fact it's a good sounding microphone is purely secondary.
If we're going to arm wrestle over this, remember to keep the elbows on
the table at all times...
Chris
P.S. Malcolm, if you want any tips or hints on working with a loud, nasal,
plosive singer, feel free to e-mail me. (since I've been all three!
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Chris
I was bummed I didn't get a blue dot because it's my favorite color BTW.
The fact it's a good sounding microphone is purely secondary.
If we're going to arm wrestle over this, remember to keep the elbows on
the table at all times...
Chris
P.S. Malcolm, if you want any tips or hints on working with a loud, nasal,
plosive singer, feel free to e-mail me. (since I've been all three!
)Chris
Rimshot
New member
Okay, it's not Sunday yet, it's still Friday and as an earlier post said, some one is going to post saying "Will this thread Die?"
So far we have had three pages of people telling DJL he's acting like a horse's ass and he's responding that he's right and we're all wrong(including Harvey Gerst).
....Gee, and I always thought people were a lot more mellow in California.
DJL is acting like a NY teamster, I admit I kind of like that in a person, but I still know he's wrong. I think he will take any opportunity to flame SP so that he can hurt their sales should any newbies be reading that don't know about the last fiasco.
Maybe we should all just ignore this thread and it will go away.
WHEN WILL THIS THREAD DIE? ....There, I said it.
So far we have had three pages of people telling DJL he's acting like a horse's ass and he's responding that he's right and we're all wrong(including Harvey Gerst).
....Gee, and I always thought people were a lot more mellow in California.
DJL is acting like a NY teamster, I admit I kind of like that in a person, but I still know he's wrong. I think he will take any opportunity to flame SP so that he can hurt their sales should any newbies be reading that don't know about the last fiasco.
Maybe we should all just ignore this thread and it will go away.
WHEN WILL THIS THREAD DIE? ....There, I said it.
