Hopes of Metal,Solos,and Speed coming back strong...
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blueroommusic
you want this big boy?
It could be argued that emo was started by Fugazi...they released their first record in 1987. but they aren't a stupid band like many in that genre...
scrubs
Not of sound mind
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Speed metal/solos will always be around, at the fringes, but they will not likely become mainstream because they are generally boring and have a very limited audience (namely, teenage boys). Once you grow out of your aggro-I-hate-the-world-and-want-to-kick-everyone's-ass mentality, this stuff holds considerably less appeal. Sure, it's impressive to hear a million notes a minute...but you know what else is impressive?...a woman with an arm coming out of her face. So what? I don't want to see that everyday. Once is plenty, thanks. If the content is good, then instrumental virtuosity is worth listening to. Otherwise, it's just public masturbation.
Speed metal/solos will always be around, at the fringes, but they will not likely become mainstream because they are generally boring and have a very limited audience (namely, teenage boys). Once you grow out of your aggro-I-hate-the-world-and-want-to-kick-everyone's-ass mentality, this stuff holds considerably less appeal. Sure, it's impressive to hear a million notes a minute...but you know what else is impressive?...a woman with an arm coming out of her face. So what? I don't want to see that everyday. Once is plenty, thanks. If the content is good, then instrumental virtuosity is worth listening to. Otherwise, it's just public masturbation.
greenascanbe
New member
The Solo never died
Despite what people might think the solo never ever really went away.
It changed; it devolved if that is really a word. AIC, Pearl Jam, even pop bands like Hootie and the Blowfish went back to a blues lyrical base. You did have guys like Tom Morello who we're pushing the bounties with the new technology (or just plain abusing it like the Smashing Pumpkins) but it wasn't like the 80's. In the 90's and beyond it was ok to (gasp) not to have a solo.
I'm torn on the issue. Sure I love a good shred fest but it got to the point where is was playing fast just because that was the machismo thing to do. You sucked if you couldn't master "Black Star" in an hour. Players we're judged more on how many sweep picking licks they could throw into a solo rather than taste, tone or songwriting.
Case and point; CC. Sure his tone wasn't as good as most kids at home with a practice amp and arion distortion peddle and he was prettier than most of his groupies. But he had some lyrical playing on "Look what the Cat Dragged in." Still he sucked because he couldn't play fast. So he tried to show off on the next two records and that is when he really sucked.
What astounds me is players like Slash we're said to suck in the 80's are now revered as guitar gods. Even Mick Mars has stood the test of time. Guys who stuck to their guns and styles.
The problem with the 80's was that there were a lot of fast talkers, but they weren’t saying much. And if they we're most of us had heard it before. As long as there are players who are striving for originality and know when when to hit the accelerator and when to hit the breaks, we could be in for a renaissance.
Despite what people might think the solo never ever really went away.
It changed; it devolved if that is really a word. AIC, Pearl Jam, even pop bands like Hootie and the Blowfish went back to a blues lyrical base. You did have guys like Tom Morello who we're pushing the bounties with the new technology (or just plain abusing it like the Smashing Pumpkins) but it wasn't like the 80's. In the 90's and beyond it was ok to (gasp) not to have a solo.
I'm torn on the issue. Sure I love a good shred fest but it got to the point where is was playing fast just because that was the machismo thing to do. You sucked if you couldn't master "Black Star" in an hour. Players we're judged more on how many sweep picking licks they could throw into a solo rather than taste, tone or songwriting.
Case and point; CC. Sure his tone wasn't as good as most kids at home with a practice amp and arion distortion peddle and he was prettier than most of his groupies. But he had some lyrical playing on "Look what the Cat Dragged in." Still he sucked because he couldn't play fast. So he tried to show off on the next two records and that is when he really sucked.
What astounds me is players like Slash we're said to suck in the 80's are now revered as guitar gods. Even Mick Mars has stood the test of time. Guys who stuck to their guns and styles.
The problem with the 80's was that there were a lot of fast talkers, but they weren’t saying much. And if they we're most of us had heard it before. As long as there are players who are striving for originality and know when when to hit the accelerator and when to hit the breaks, we could be in for a renaissance.
I wouldn't count on the 80's 'coming back' if by that you mean re-shift the popular rock music scene to the point that it gets radio play on anything other than college stations, and really I hope VERY much it doesn't. For the next generation of rock genre to just repeat what was done 15 or so years ago would be a very poor state affairs I would think, showing a lack of originality or imagination.
It is my opinion that the MTV rock scene has been particularly uninpsiring as of late because everyone is waiting, wether it be for the 80's to return or for the next nirvana or WTF ever it is, people want some guitar Jesus to just sprout out and give them some band or some genre so huge and with such wide appeal that you can gather behind them and be a part of some musical revolution and be inspired themselves.
If musicians and rock guitarists in particular would stop waiting for the next band wagon and go try to make good music on thier own terms whatever is next will probably evolve naturally.
Also keep your ears open and just find what you like, if everyone sat down to listen to new music and said 'Damnit! This doesn't sound like <insert band of 10 years or older here>' and gave up on it, we may as well just stop making any more rock.
That took a lot more words than I thought it would, sorry
It is my opinion that the MTV rock scene has been particularly uninpsiring as of late because everyone is waiting, wether it be for the 80's to return or for the next nirvana or WTF ever it is, people want some guitar Jesus to just sprout out and give them some band or some genre so huge and with such wide appeal that you can gather behind them and be a part of some musical revolution and be inspired themselves.
If musicians and rock guitarists in particular would stop waiting for the next band wagon and go try to make good music on thier own terms whatever is next will probably evolve naturally.
Also keep your ears open and just find what you like, if everyone sat down to listen to new music and said 'Damnit! This doesn't sound like <insert band of 10 years or older here>' and gave up on it, we may as well just stop making any more rock.
That took a lot more words than I thought it would, sorry
metalhead28
Hates Raymond
Since the original poster said he was talking about thrash and speed metal....
For die hard metal fans as well as die hard guitar fans, there has never been a shortage of music out there that carried the traditions of the great "80's" originators. Metal has just gotten better and better. You can't rely on MTV and Headbanger's Ball to determine if there are people out there doing good music or not. You simply have to have enough interest to seek out those bands. THERE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN GREAT BANDS WITH AMAZING GUITAR PLAYING AND CLASSIC SONGWRITING. Did I say that loud enough?
People always talk about "bringing back the guitar solo" and "bringing back metal" and all of that. If you think it went away for even a second, you just haven't paid any attention to real metal for the last 15 years, you've just been listening to the radio or watching MTV. If its commercial visibility is what's important to you then you're not a metal fan. You're a pop fan who wishes pop music was more metallic......
As far as this commercial "reemergence" of metal....I actually prefer that it remain underground. That way there are fewer dipshits acting like they know everything about metal becasue they watch Atreyu or some other Mall Core band on MTV. Plus, I can quietly enjoy my cherished music without watching them turn into media whores and destroy everything we love about the genre.
For die hard metal fans as well as die hard guitar fans, there has never been a shortage of music out there that carried the traditions of the great "80's" originators. Metal has just gotten better and better. You can't rely on MTV and Headbanger's Ball to determine if there are people out there doing good music or not. You simply have to have enough interest to seek out those bands. THERE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN GREAT BANDS WITH AMAZING GUITAR PLAYING AND CLASSIC SONGWRITING. Did I say that loud enough?
People always talk about "bringing back the guitar solo" and "bringing back metal" and all of that. If you think it went away for even a second, you just haven't paid any attention to real metal for the last 15 years, you've just been listening to the radio or watching MTV. If its commercial visibility is what's important to you then you're not a metal fan. You're a pop fan who wishes pop music was more metallic......
As far as this commercial "reemergence" of metal....I actually prefer that it remain underground. That way there are fewer dipshits acting like they know everything about metal becasue they watch Atreyu or some other Mall Core band on MTV. Plus, I can quietly enjoy my cherished music without watching them turn into media whores and destroy everything we love about the genre.
myhatbroke
Cocktacular Member
scrubs said:
" emo is a direct descendant of hardcore's preoccupations with authenticity and anti-commercialism; it grew out of the conviction that commercially oriented music was too artificial and calculated to express any genuine emotion" -from the link
First of all, the only ones that have the "I hate the world mentality" are those douche bags that only listen to metal to draw attention,typically the ones that arent even musicians. Second of all,that quoete is from the link u posted and I have never read any smellier bullshit in my life! ARE THEY FUCKING SERIOUS? EMO IS THE ONLY GOD DAMN THING I SEE ANYWHERE AND YESSSS IT IS ARTIFICIAL SHIT. NONE OF THEM MEAN ANY OF THOSE LYRICS, THE PRODUCER SIMPLY TARGET HELPLESS DEPRESSED TEENS AND BAM! THEYRE SELLING ALBUMS LIKE CRAZY! AND THEYRE SONG STRUCTURE AND STYLE WOULDNT EXIST IF IT WASNT FOR METAL OR PUNK.
Your an asshole for insulting me and any metal fan like that.
peopleperson
I'm so sorry.
Meshuggah.
myhatbroke
Cocktacular Member
peopleperson said:
WHAT?
metalhead28
Hates Raymond
myhatbroke said:WHAT?
I think he was just calling you crazy in Yiddish.
myhatbroke
Cocktacular Member
Im surprised that you arent backing me up.metalhead28 said:
scrubs
Not of sound mind
myhatbroke said:
Thanks for proving my point.
I never said I don't like metal. I said that music focusing on speed and soloing (the title of your post), without meaningful content, is boring to me. As for the link, it was simply to point out one author's opinion of the history of emo, which was called into question earlier in the thread.
I will occasionally get the hankering to listen to some old Metallica or Pantera, or even Tool (no, I don't really know of any new cool metal bands, because I really stopped listening to metal after high school)...however, I also enjoy tossing in some Sunny Day Real Estate and even Jimmy Eat World (
). IMO, it's about the songs. If a band writes good songs that I can connect with, I'll listen. In high school, I really felt a personal connection with Hetfield's lyrics...now, not so much. To each his own.
peopleperson
I'm so sorry.
peopleperson said:
No, it's a band.
myhatbroke
Cocktacular Member
I see what your saying...but IMO I think that metal has had the most innovation and creativityscrubs said:Thanks for proving my point.
I never said I don't like metal. I said that music focusing on speed and soloing (the title of your post), without meaningful content, is boring to me. As for the link, it was simply to point out one author's opinion of the history of emo, which was called into question earlier in the thread.
I will occasionally get the hankering to listen to some old Metallica or Pantera, or even Tool (no, I don't really know of any new cool metal bands, because I really stopped listening to metal after high school)...however, I also enjoy tossing in some Sunny Day Real Estate and even Jimmy Eat World (
Chris Shaeffer
Peavey ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
myhatbroke,
I'm thinking we should be looking FORWARD not back, eh?
Just because there are other genres of music that are getting more attention doesn't mean that metal has gone away or has to come back. Metal was NEVER all that popular in terms of radioplay. Compared to genres like mo-town, R&B, and country... metal has always had more of a strong cult following than huge commercial success. At least in term of how the popular music game is played.
So... with things like Ozzfest and Iron Maiden packing arenas, metal is more popular now than it was in the 80's. If that's not the metal you're talking about then you need to look for the music you ARE talking about... or just MAKE it.
Check out places like NoWhereRadio and all those other indy music sites... there is all kinds of great music out there. The fact that the music industry isn't pushing them doesn't mean the music isn't good, eh?
What are you pining for? The industry to start pushing GOOD metal bands again? Or good metal bands? Since the labels aren't pushing them you have to do what we all did in the good old days- go LOOKING for the good music. Or make it.
Take care,
Chris
I'm thinking we should be looking FORWARD not back, eh?
Just because there are other genres of music that are getting more attention doesn't mean that metal has gone away or has to come back. Metal was NEVER all that popular in terms of radioplay. Compared to genres like mo-town, R&B, and country... metal has always had more of a strong cult following than huge commercial success. At least in term of how the popular music game is played.
So... with things like Ozzfest and Iron Maiden packing arenas, metal is more popular now than it was in the 80's. If that's not the metal you're talking about then you need to look for the music you ARE talking about... or just MAKE it.
Check out places like NoWhereRadio and all those other indy music sites... there is all kinds of great music out there. The fact that the music industry isn't pushing them doesn't mean the music isn't good, eh?
What are you pining for? The industry to start pushing GOOD metal bands again? Or good metal bands? Since the labels aren't pushing them you have to do what we all did in the good old days- go LOOKING for the good music. Or make it.
Take care,
Chris
myhatbroke
Cocktacular Member
Chris Shaeffer said:myhatbroke,
I'm thinking we should be looking FORWARD not back, eh?
Just because there are other genres of music that are getting more attention doesn't mean that metal has gone away or has to come back. Metal was NEVER all that popular in terms of radioplay. Compared to genres like mo-town, R&B, and country... metal has always had more of a strong cult following than huge commercial success. At least in term of how the popular music game is played.
So... with things like Ozzfest and Iron Maiden packing arenas, metal is more popular now than it was in the 80's. If that's not the metal you're talking about then you need to look for the music you ARE talking about... or just MAKE it.
Check out places like NoWhereRadio and all those other indy music sites... there is all kinds of great music out there. The fact that the music industry isn't pushing them doesn't mean the music isn't good, eh?
What are you pining for? The industry to start pushing GOOD metal bands again? Or good metal bands? Since the labels aren't pushing them you have to do what we all did in the good old days- go LOOKING for the good music. Or make it.
Take care,
Chris
Yea I see what your saying...WHY CANT EVERYONE LISTEN TO METAL!!!
metalhead28
Hates Raymond
myhatbroke said:
You're suprised I'M not backing you up? For what argument, that real metal died off after the 80's and you wish it would come back? That is just plain silly.
This seems like an offshoot of your "Who killed metal?" thread. My answer to this is about the same...You just don't get it.
Dude, anybody who is a real metal fan and has been for any length of time is going to realize that you are just some kid who doesn't even understand what that era was like. It seems like you're trying to be cool or "old school" or something along those lines by harping on the good old days (which occured quite a few years before your time in fact
). I'm not going to back you up because I think what you're saying is ridiculous and uninformed. I used to get ridiculed in middle school and even high school for wearing Metallica t-shirts. People like me used to get into trouble over the music we listened to. I knew maybe 3 other guys at my school that listened to metal. There were never any metal shows anywhere near my home town. Metal was not big at all. I found out about new bands through tape trading and waiting for newsletters in the mail. Metal was so underground back then it's not even funny. The mainstream stuff was not the same. Metallica was not mainstream, not until around 89 or 90. I never even heard Metallica on the radio before the Black Album came out. Metallica is huge now but when they were actually a good band they were still pretty taboo....just like all of the good bands from that time. Nowadays Kerry King comes and does promotional events at music stores in Kentucky for pete's sake! I don't remember him doing that after South of Heaven came out......? You are too young to understand what the "glory days" were really like. Metal is WAY bigger now.The only thing I can figure is that you're talking about hair metal....but you specifically said that you were not....I don't even know what the hell you're talking about any more.
I have been listening to metal and pretty much only metal since the mid 80's. Back then I stopped paying attention to the radio and started diving into the underground. The early 90's did bring about the downfall of radio friendly metal and the introduction of grunge or whatever the hell it was....but do you think that everybody that loved metal or played metal at that point decided..."Well shit, I guess I've gotta hang it up...nobody likes metal anymore"? Hell no, we didn't even really notice.
Don't be stupid. It's there. It's always been there. Stop acting like it went away. You just didn't know about it.
If you want speed, there are several bands that break the 300 BPM barrier nowadays. There are bands pushing the boundaries in every way that people never dreamed of in the 80's. Including lead guitar....make that ESPECIALLY lead guitar. Again...you just don't know about it.
And who gives a shit what's on the radio?
Rant over.....