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Greg_L
Banned
Lol. You are just in time. I was just about to post the results.
Lol. You are just in time. I was just about to post the results.
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RAMI
Guest
Fuck when I told you guys about the snare, I said to myself "Maybe I should wait"....then I figured, whatever. 
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Greg_L
Banned
The results:
I really enjoyed listening to the various mixes. Thanks everyone for playing along. I hope someone got something out of it. I know I did. I've never even considered flipping the phase on my snare mic.
Okay, here are my findings in no particular order, based purely on personal preference and general ear pleasingness. Every mix had pros and cons.
79 les paul
Pros: Good snare sound. Nice spreads on leads.
Cons: lopsided drums/bass mix - too much leaning left. Kick MIA most of the time. Strat tracks seems to be missing.
zer00
Pros: Pretty good levels - everything is there, but....
Cons: over-compressed ear fatiguing mix, drums sound one-dimensional.
LDS
Pros: Drums sound pretty good, although kick gets lost in low end resonance at times. Guitars sound good. Leads sit nicely, but too dry.
cons: Bass too boomy/overpowering. Kick kind of getting lost in low end resonance.
Pandamonk
Pros: Really clean, clear, balanced mix overall. Bass and kick thump nicely together with good seperation. Nice use of all guitar tracks, leads sit nicely.
Cons: Snare and cowbell seem a little too dry in comparison to the rest of the mix. The intro guitars have bigger reverb than the drums,
which is kind of awkward at first, but fine once song gets rolling.
Trumpino
Pros: Pretty good levels overall. I like the one strat track on the right during the snare roll breakdown.
Cons: Rhythm guitars seem a little too midrangey/loud. Leads a little dry. Overheads maybe a hair too loud. No cowbell?
Bulls Hit
Pros: I love the big growly bass. The whacked out leads are cool and unexpected. Nice triplet stutter on the main lead.
Cons: The snare sounds like a garbage can lid, and while the mix wackiness was cool, it doesn't fit this simpleton rock song.
Kudos for infusing your own style into it though. I was most curious about your mix knowing your penchant for the industrial and over-the-top.
Rami
Pros: Fantastic punchy drum sounds. I love the fattened up snare and the left-handed drum mix. Just enough reverb overall. Great kick/bass seperation.
Cons: Leads a little too loud/dry. Strat tracks could be more present.
Fadetomuffins
Pros: Mix levels pretty good overall. Nothing too terribly loud or quiet.
Cons: Drums way too roomy for my tastes. Overall mix kind of harsh/over compressed/hard limited/loud. Rough on the old ears.
Philbagg
Pros: Overall a very clean, balanced mix. Nice panning on the main lead, nice spreads on the end leads.
Cons: Editing in the intro is unnatural. Leads too loud/dryish. Cowbell too centered, kind of gets lost at times. Overhead spread seems diminished.
Guitarzero
I'm sorry dude, I really gave serious listens to all 3 mixes you submitted, but they're a mess. Muddy low end, weird midrange, not much clarity.
The first mix seemed to be a little better overall. I do like that you appear to have focused on the strat tracks, which almost seemed to be
an afterthought to some of the others.
Chili
Pros: I like the intro guitar panning with the hammer-ons centered and the "bomps" panned wide. I really like the crunchy bass too. Awesome kick/bass relationship without being muddy. Whatever you did to the bass is very cool. I like how you got the cowbell away from the hats and ride. Nice use of all the rhythm tracks. Clean clear mix overall.
Cons: Snare gets lost a little during the double-kick sections. Main lead panned a little too far and too dry. Intro/outro leads a hair too loud.
While the bass sounds awesome, it might be a little too loud. Something about the overall "mastering" seems a little bit harsh. Just a little.
PoeticIntensity
Pros: Overall a clean mix. All leads sit perfectly. Nice panning/effects on leads. left-to-right pickslide at end is awesome.
Cons: Drums a little compressed/clicky sounding. Bass gtr a little light in the mix. Maybe it's just the drums, but the mix overall seems to be a little bright.
Could use more beef in the kick and bass.
Timkroeger
Pros: Good levels overall. I like the "raw" vintage punk rock feel of this mix. The drums have a flatness to them that I'm not used to hearing, but I kind of dig it.
Cons: The "mastering" is kind of harsh, which lends itself to the rawness that I like, but it's a little tough on the ears. The leads are a little dry and midrangey. The drum overheads are sizzling.
And the winner is...........
PANDAMONK
His mix seemed to be the most balanced and smoothest mix to my ears.
Congrats, Pandamonk.
Very honorable mentions go to Rami and Chili.
Top 5:
1. Pandamonk
2. Rami
3. Chili
4. Philbagg
5. Poetic Intensity
I think this was a cool little experiement. If yall wanna do another, let me know.
The Greg hath spoketh.
I really enjoyed listening to the various mixes. Thanks everyone for playing along. I hope someone got something out of it. I know I did. I've never even considered flipping the phase on my snare mic.
Okay, here are my findings in no particular order, based purely on personal preference and general ear pleasingness. Every mix had pros and cons.
79 les paul
Pros: Good snare sound. Nice spreads on leads.
Cons: lopsided drums/bass mix - too much leaning left. Kick MIA most of the time. Strat tracks seems to be missing.
zer00
Pros: Pretty good levels - everything is there, but....
Cons: over-compressed ear fatiguing mix, drums sound one-dimensional.
LDS
Pros: Drums sound pretty good, although kick gets lost in low end resonance at times. Guitars sound good. Leads sit nicely, but too dry.
cons: Bass too boomy/overpowering. Kick kind of getting lost in low end resonance.
Pandamonk
Pros: Really clean, clear, balanced mix overall. Bass and kick thump nicely together with good seperation. Nice use of all guitar tracks, leads sit nicely.
Cons: Snare and cowbell seem a little too dry in comparison to the rest of the mix. The intro guitars have bigger reverb than the drums,
which is kind of awkward at first, but fine once song gets rolling.
Trumpino
Pros: Pretty good levels overall. I like the one strat track on the right during the snare roll breakdown.
Cons: Rhythm guitars seem a little too midrangey/loud. Leads a little dry. Overheads maybe a hair too loud. No cowbell?
Bulls Hit
Pros: I love the big growly bass. The whacked out leads are cool and unexpected. Nice triplet stutter on the main lead.
Cons: The snare sounds like a garbage can lid, and while the mix wackiness was cool, it doesn't fit this simpleton rock song.
Kudos for infusing your own style into it though. I was most curious about your mix knowing your penchant for the industrial and over-the-top.
Rami
Pros: Fantastic punchy drum sounds. I love the fattened up snare and the left-handed drum mix. Just enough reverb overall. Great kick/bass seperation.
Cons: Leads a little too loud/dry. Strat tracks could be more present.
Fadetomuffins
Pros: Mix levels pretty good overall. Nothing too terribly loud or quiet.
Cons: Drums way too roomy for my tastes. Overall mix kind of harsh/over compressed/hard limited/loud. Rough on the old ears.
Philbagg
Pros: Overall a very clean, balanced mix. Nice panning on the main lead, nice spreads on the end leads.
Cons: Editing in the intro is unnatural. Leads too loud/dryish. Cowbell too centered, kind of gets lost at times. Overhead spread seems diminished.
Guitarzero
I'm sorry dude, I really gave serious listens to all 3 mixes you submitted, but they're a mess. Muddy low end, weird midrange, not much clarity.
The first mix seemed to be a little better overall. I do like that you appear to have focused on the strat tracks, which almost seemed to be
an afterthought to some of the others.
Chili
Pros: I like the intro guitar panning with the hammer-ons centered and the "bomps" panned wide. I really like the crunchy bass too. Awesome kick/bass relationship without being muddy. Whatever you did to the bass is very cool. I like how you got the cowbell away from the hats and ride. Nice use of all the rhythm tracks. Clean clear mix overall.
Cons: Snare gets lost a little during the double-kick sections. Main lead panned a little too far and too dry. Intro/outro leads a hair too loud.
While the bass sounds awesome, it might be a little too loud. Something about the overall "mastering" seems a little bit harsh. Just a little.
PoeticIntensity
Pros: Overall a clean mix. All leads sit perfectly. Nice panning/effects on leads. left-to-right pickslide at end is awesome.
Cons: Drums a little compressed/clicky sounding. Bass gtr a little light in the mix. Maybe it's just the drums, but the mix overall seems to be a little bright.
Could use more beef in the kick and bass.
Timkroeger
Pros: Good levels overall. I like the "raw" vintage punk rock feel of this mix. The drums have a flatness to them that I'm not used to hearing, but I kind of dig it.
Cons: The "mastering" is kind of harsh, which lends itself to the rawness that I like, but it's a little tough on the ears. The leads are a little dry and midrangey. The drum overheads are sizzling.
And the winner is...........
PANDAMONK
His mix seemed to be the most balanced and smoothest mix to my ears.
Congrats, Pandamonk.
Very honorable mentions go to Rami and Chili.
Top 5:
1. Pandamonk
2. Rami
3. Chili
4. Philbagg
5. Poetic Intensity
I think this was a cool little experiement. If yall wanna do another, let me know.
The Greg hath spoketh.
PoeticIntensity
MagicJones.com (is a website)
I'm just interested in the results. I think it's cool that Greg is compiling an explanation of each mix presented. This is probably the most educational exercise I've been a part of in here. Kudos, Greg.
Now could you hurry and post the results already!?
Now could you hurry and post the results already!?
guitar zero
c = b#
Fuck when I told you guys about the snare, I said to myself "Maybe I should wait"....then I figured, whatever.
I have no delusions of winning. I'm just trying to learn how to mix drums from the master himsel... er uh yerself.
PoeticIntensity
MagicJones.com (is a website)
Now could you hurry and post the results already!?
DOH! I knew I should have waited for that.
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Greg_L
Banned
Dammit yall. 
Results on previous page.
Results on previous page.
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Greg_L
Banned
I didn't mean to be harsh on your mixes. They just don't work. I'll be glad to help you maybe get a better handle on it, if you want. First question - what is your monitoring/room situation?
guitar zero
c = b#
Well done Greg. This is exactly what I need. I'm gonna keep working on this one, but if you want to do more, I vote a resounding yes. Congrats to the weeners er I mean winners.
kcearl
I see deaf people
Great thread
well done to all and nice work from the G man....
I tried, but I hate country
well done to all and nice work from the G man....
I tried, but I hate country
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Greg_L
Banned
Great thread
well done to all and nice work from the G man....
I tried, but I hate country
Maybe I'll include a bunch casio samples so you'll feel more at home next time.
guitar zero
c = b#
That's OK. This is the first rock mix I've ever tried to do, and the first time I've tried to mix real drum tracks.
I've got a good treated room, monitoring through metric halo converters on Yamaha HS80 M monitors. I was actually trying to add some oomph to the low end, but I could clearly hear that my mix was muddy compared to the others. Just didn't have the separation that I hear in RAMI's for example.
I'll tear it down and start over, and try to get it sounding better. I don't know that I'll ever mix this kind of music, but I do want to learn just in case.
If you have more, keep 'em coming, cause I'm on about a two to three month break from having anything new to mix, so this is great fun.
kcearl
I see deaf people
Maybe I'll include a bunch casio samples so you'll feel more at home next time.
Now yir talking...me an stawl will clean you fuckers out
PoeticIntensity
MagicJones.com (is a website)
Dammit yall.
Results on previous page.
That's *hilarious*
I love it.Thanks again for doing this, Greg.
I personally am very interested in the different setups people use to get the various results. I'll start it off, if anyone cares, just to get the ball rolling. Feel free to follow suit, if you're so inclined.
DAW: Ardour 2.8.7 (ardour.org)
Monitors: KRK Rokit 8's (along with some Grado SR-225 Headphones)
Room: 18'x18'x8' - about 50% treated with nothing but useless foam.
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RAMI
Guest
This was fun and educational. Thanx Greg!
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Greg_L
Banned
Sure, no prob. I reaaaalllllly struggled between your mix and pandamonks. Not surprisingly, you pwnd the drum sounds. His treatment on the guitar tracks was really the overall deciding factor.
Dude, if you got any unfinished stuff laying around that you might wanna spare, you should "host" one of these. It was pretty fun for me.
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RAMI
Guest
Dude, if you got any unfinished stuff laying around that you might wanna spare, you should "host" one of these. It was pretty fun for me.
I did one of these to "celebrate" the opening of my site about 3 years ago. We even had 3 independant judges, etc....it was a blast.
I think I'll do another one soon. I have a few un-finished tunes. Great idea.
philbagg
Just Killing Time
Cooooooool
Thanks Greg
Thanks Greg
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RAMI
Guest
DAW: REAPER
MONITORS: A pair of cheap HITACHI's that are hooked up to my REALISTIC receiver.
ROOM: 15'X19' garage with 7' ceilings (6 1/2' in some parts). Cement floor with a little bit of carpeting. Bass traps in 3 corners and a couch in the other.
MIXNIG UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF: South Comfort and pot.
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