giving berry some props.

[chessrock]

Fordvan talking about how great he is.

Couldn't see that one coming.

 

[dmbfan1981]

It is actually Samaritan.......

One of my points in my post was that they HAVE to cut costs with cheaper components and looser quality requirements because THAT is how they make money. They do not invent products that are better than anyone else and have people drooling over what they can do with them... They knock off other's products, make them with cheaper parts, accept lower quality units off the assembly line and sell them for less than their competitors.



Again, I do not want to say that I think all their products are crap or that anyone who uses them is a jerk... I am just sharing my thoughts on why I do not use them. I am sure many people have made many great sounding recordings using gear from them.

first off, that wasnt directed specifically at you, thats why I didnt quote your post. you arent the only one that was complaining about them copying people. You, however, made a valid point about copying with far cheaper componants being one of the things that turns you off from them.

You would also be quite surprised at what many of the companies that you think are squeeky clean, are actually a part of in one form or another. sometimes not always intentionally, or sometimes treading a very fine legal and ethical line. the bottom line of business is to sell a product or service and to do it in the way that makes you the most money. many companies do this by keeping their overhead at the lowest they can. some companies bank on return customers and lasting products, others go for a quick fix that is fast and easy to produce. thats the difference between a timex and a rolex, a corvette and a ferrari. that doesnt mean that the cheaper ones are complete wastes of money, it just means that not everyone is willing to pay for that extra quality. I am not going to be gigging with this thing, or throwing it around, or even playing it excessively. It was bought to fill a need that I had, and it will do that just fine. regardless of how many slaves it took to put all of the cheap little pieces together that were meticulously copied by some secret spy at the line6 factory.


Oh and by the way....I have no hard feelings so dont take this the wrong way, but playing the part of forum spellchecker really makes you look like a douche bag.

 

[dmbfan1981]

This isn't relevant to the discussion, but "semaritan" is spelled "Samaritan."

yep...definately a douche bag.

 

[Ford Van]

Fordvan talking about how great he is.

Couldn't see that one coming.

lesscock stumbling into a thread with nothing useful to add.

Boy, I am trying to remember the last time that happen..........

 

[Supercreep]

yep...definately a douche bag.

Yeah, definately.

 

[chessrock]

lesscock stumbling into a thread with nothing useful to add.

Boy, I am trying to remember the last time that happen..........

Dumbass Fordvan storms in to the same thread and starts professing his undying eternal love for all things Behringer.

As if that were useful.

 

[DavidK]

Dude ..... you're both misreading my statement. First off ..... whatever I trip on on the way out the door is either a Mesa Blue Angel or a Marshall 6101 or one of my 70's vintage Ampeg amps. I have 13 various tube amps ..... all of which you'd like to have.
I didn't say that good musicians play crap ...... I just said they're not as obsessed in general with what they use as the, mostly, amateurs that hang out here.

1. I knew what you meant

2. Some do, some dont obsess over instruments. I am in between, I have a very nice axe but its not the best in the band. I have used the same bow every day since I have been 13. Its fine but hardly anything fancy.

Some household names use very modest gear. Mannheim Steamroller used Kurzweill K2000s when I gigged with them in December. Very nice, 14 year old Keys Others have old Yamahas from the 90s, old Rolands etc. These are household names doing arenas. Likewise, some nobodies have 30 grand of keys and effects. Our opera and ballet uses a synth from the 80s on those rare occasions we need a synth in the pit.

You use what it takes to get the job done. Zacanger: Lt Bob is about as far from ignorant as you can get. He's a fine musician and a good guy. More importantly, he is a WORKING musician. Being an armchair musician is quite easy at home, but he IS out there working, getting paid, and is doing gig after gig. He knows what works in the real world. If I hired him for a gig, it comes with an expectation that he will bring the suitable gear to do the job. Never in a million years would I ask a pro what he is bringing, I couldnt care less. A pro will bring the tools to get the job done. Some might bring fancy stuff, some wont. The guy who shows up and does a good job will be rehired over and over. I wouldnt care if he showed up with cheap gear, quite frankly I wouldnt even know. You show up, set up and play.

I have never once asked one single person what they are bringing to a gig, never. I have hired orchestras for people like Rod Stewart and Josh Groban. I dont think I can remember ONE gig that someone didnt have the suitable gear, and like Lt Bob I have played thousands and thousands of gigs. It simply doesnt work like that because I am a pro and only work with pros. They ALL have the right gear, it may be made by Berry or NASA but it all is in working order, doesnt buzz or mess up, sets up quickly etc. Its a tool, you use tools that do the job.

 

[zacanger]

Dude ..... you're both misreading my statement. First off ..... whatever I trip on on the way out the door is either a Mesa Blue Angel or a Marshall 6101 or one of my 70's vintage Ampeg amps. I have 13 various tube amps ..... all of which you'd like to have.
I didn't say that good musicians play crap ...... I just said they're not as obsessed in general with what they use as the, mostly, amateurs that hang out here.
As for it being an 'ignorant' statement ..... I've played over 10,000 paying gigs ..... I've played with literally thousands of musicians .... I play 6 and 7 gigs a week every single week and have done so for 35 years and wherever I play whatever band is in the audience virtually always comes up to get my info so they can hire me for future gigs. I'm one of the busiest 'hired gun' musicians anywhere.
So if you disagree .... fine, say so. But calling it ignorant? Bullshit ...... I have WAY more experience playing with top line musicians than almost anyone here. I've been playing 300 gigs a year for twice as long as you've been alive and was playing weekends for 7 years before that. There are a few regulars here that work as much as I do ..... DavidK would be one of them. But, in general, I work as much as any pro in the country and I know my industry and I know my shit when it comes to live gigging and I know an uncountable number of first rate players that I've talked to about this very thing and though everyone does have his preferences ..... they do not judge musicians by their gear and do not pay as much obsessive attention to the gear list as amateurs do.
As for the fact that you've never met a musician that felt that way ...... at 17, with all due respect man ... I promise I don't think less of young musicians ..... but you simply haven't met that many of the really good players. Maybe a few but that's all because you haven't been out in the pro ranks long enough if at all..

That's all well and fair, but you did say this:

To be honest ...... most of the first-rate musicians I work with don't give much of a crap about gear .... they just do their thing with whatever they've got.

And I was interpreting that to mean... well, mean what you said.

LOL....funny shit. People that go on like this usually only listen to a few tracks, which usually wind up being the stuff I spent the shortest amount of time working on, or only did a small part on.

Click into The Heavy Brothers, Sky Blue Mind, Porterhouse, Ford Brothers, Silky (this was mixed via a Mackie 1604 and a 1202 hooked together, with the 1202's main outs into a effect return on the 1604 so I could mix all 24 tracks, only two channels of compression, and a Alesis Quadraverb for reverb and some cheap ass delay), and even a bit of The Red Sector (although, I had to work with the guitar player of the band on that stuff, and don't particularly care for his preference to hard/edgy/lack of richness in the low end production values).

Talk about average! Your myspace songs are a mess! When you can show a single production you have produced that is worth listening to, come on back and try to beat on mine again.

Actually, I listened to maybe 8 different tracks from random sections of the site. They were all average.

I'm not saying mine are good, because they certainly aren't! I'm a shitty engineer, and I know it! But my shittiness doesn't make you any better.

 

[zacanger]

yep...definately a douche bag.

Thanks. I guess I just feel like there's no excuse for bad spelling and grammar. Oh, and... definately? Wow.

Fordvan talking about how great he is.

Couldn't see that one coming.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to chessrock again.

 

[dmbfan1981]

Thanks. I guess I just feel like there's no excuse for bad spelling and grammar. Oh, and... definately? Wow.

yeah, I am sure that you never use slang when speaking either. you just feel like being a dick to people for no reason whatsoever. Just for the record dipshit, " Oh, and....definately? Wow. " isn't even a complete sentence, so stop busting balls. nor did you put quotation marks around what you were attempting to make fun of that I had said. Also, in proper grammatic form, an ellipsis [ "...." ] is only three periods, not four. You are no better than anyone else.

 

[Supercreep]

Well, that's the intarwebs for ya.

Until I can afford better monitors, the Behris will do. If whatever tools you use work for you, cool. Your ears will tell you when you need to upgrade.

 

[zacanger]

yeah, I am sure that you never use slang when speaking either. you just feel like being a dick to people for no reason whatsoever. Just for the record dipshit, " Oh, and....definately? Wow. " isn't even a complete sentence, so stop busting balls. nor did you put quotation marks around what you were attempting to make fun of that I had said. Also, in proper grammatic form, an ellipsis [ "...." ] is only three periods, not four. You are no better than anyone else.

I use slang both while speaking and typing, but it's properly spelled slang. My quote had three periods, not four -- you altered it. Yes, that is a sentence fragment. Good job.